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Terrestrial research wizards such as the deductive expertise of
Velikovsky and a few others may actually have been on the right set of tracks all along, whereas just having been a little skewed here and there (forced into swag mode), and obviously without all of the available history along with the nifty amounts of new and improved science that's existing and well documented as of today. For one example, ice-core samples that's going back nearly a million years, were not a part of Velikovsky's research. The mere dreaded revision thoughts of an icy ProtoMoon and of it's lithobraking arrival is not another topic joke. I believe this perfectly GW related topic simply represents the regular laws of physics and the slim but otherwise reasonable odds of this event happening, especially if such an icy ProtoMoon had been thrown our way from a sufficiently nearby star/solar system, and as though gravity dragged and/or accommodated into our solar system along with the arrival of Venus (possibly as a moon as once having belonged to Venus). I also tend to believe that "Earth w/o magnetosphere, w/o moon" is also somewhat interrelated to one another, as well as having been unavoidably interrelated to the somewhat recent arrival of our moon as having established the global tilt that shifted us away from being a nearly monoseason planet with only solar driven tides, and for otherwise as having deposited quite a fair amount of salty ice plus a little sequestered DNA code if not substantial other life within for the environment of Earth to deal with. In the distant past, our Earth was clearly a bit more surface roundish/smooth as having hosted somewhat less vertically imposing terrain from ocean depths to the peaks of mountainous creations that transpired rather quickly (as though having been antipode induced into existence), and certainly as having shown much less erosion as having since been deposited into our oceans or as otherwise having to deal with on land, and of what little surface water there was already here to behold was much less salty and either extensively sub-frozen and/or at least getting monoseason frosted enough as to reaching that icy line of frost to within the tropics of Cancer/Capricorn. This nearly monoseason of Earth's early environment was also allowing those early forms of humanity to essentially staying put, demanding few if any migrations except within the relatively temperate life zone as associated within the Tropics of Cancer/Capricorn, that is unless something truly horrific of geophysics emerged from within the planetology of Earth and/or of mother nature's surface environment was taking place, whereas I believe most everything north or south of their Cancer/Capricorn frost line would have been at risk of having been compromised if not unlivable for much of the time, especially throughout a typical ice-age deep freezing cycle that lasted for a good ten to twenty some odd thousands of years at a whack. Here's the latest of topic related news that I'd thought you folks can use, or perhaps not (depending on your mindset), as to my somewhat dyslexic way of having contemplated on behalf of the most accepted what-if our moon had in fact been made entirely of Earth, whereas of 1 Ga those resulting tidal affects would have been at least half if not nearly twice again as impressive (if not nearly tsunami worthy), and of 2 Ga would have been generating those somewhat continuous tsunami class of bulging tidal waves as worth a few good magnitudes of their having been 5 to 10 times worse off than nowadays, not to mention what our molten mantle being seriously motivated along via such horrific mascon forces, as a somewhat super-rotation mass of thermal and magnetic force taking place just below the crust of Earth. If we gave our moon a supposed lifespan of being 4 Ga (4 billion years old) moon @0.0 Ga = 384,400 km from Earth / orbital energy 2e20 joules moon @ -1 Ga = 332,000 km from Earth / orbital energy 3e20 joules moon @ -2 Ga = 256,000 km from Earth / orbital energy 5e20 joules moon @ -3 Ga = 192,000 km from Earth / orbital energy 8e20 joules (possibly 1e21 joules) moon @ -4 Ga = 0.0 km as supposedly emerging itself from Earth (antipode launch force/energy at 6 km/s = 5.3e30 J ???? Secondary impact/antipode ejected mass 7.35e22 x 2 = 14.7e22 kg (I'm using 2x the mass of our moon because not everything that goes up would have become moon) Geophysical whatever antipode launch exit velocity of roughly 6 km/s Ke = .5MV2 7.35e22 x 36e6 = 265e28 joules Kf = MV2 14.7e22 x 36e6 = 529e28 joules Of course, silly Kroll and myself are perhaps still the two most resident village idiots (AKA messengers from hell) as having been leaning ourselves towards the more likely icy protomoon sort of impact, as having delivered a very salty and rather substantially tera-iceberg worth of a glancing sucker-punch (perhaps having involved more than one such lithobraking and lunar iceberg deploying encounter) that which established the major extent of Earth's tilt (thereby having created seasons) and otherwise having subsequently produced the likes of our Arctic ocean basin and/or Hudson Bay, along with the geophysical antipode result having produced the sorts of horrific vertical land mass and otherwise extremely mountainous terrain, as having been rather abruptly pushed up at roughly those 180 degree longitude/latitude antipode locations, with lots of other interesting geophysics taking place in between. Since there's no apparent scientific nor physics related argument against really big and nasty stuff having in fact impacted Earth from time to time, and since the regular laws of physics and/or of planetology should not have changed, whereas this icy ProtoMoon arrival as of the last ice age seems to offer a viable degree of it's own what-if on behalf of representing a perfectly rational set of arguments, that's at least worth keeping on the public table so that others having an honest thought from their open mindset might constructively contribute as to sharing their expertise or best swag, instead of merely enforcing upon and/or hiding behind the usual mainstream naysayism, and of otherwise having to apply evidence denial and/or total author/topic banishment upon this argument. How Asteroids Trigger Volcanos / By Robert Roy Britt A few other words of wisdom about Earth getting a serious hicky via asteroid; http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._030204-1.html Unfortunately, this author doesn't contribute anything as to whatever a glancing blow via an icy protomoon might have represented. Therefore, whatever horrific impact created ocean basins and/or antipode results are not a part of this equation. However the following sub-topic is at least an honest consideration as to what such a impactor of having produced local and/or antipode induced event(s) might have helped to have created the likes of Hawaii. Asteroid May Have Created Hawaii http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...id_010731.html "Rocking the other side of the planet" "Mark Boslough and his colleagues at Sandia National Laboratories have modeled asteroid impacts. In a 1996 paper, they predicted that the seismic energy from an impact travels through the Earth and is strongly focussed at the antipode to the impact, near the boundary of the crust and the hot, molten mantle." Of course mountains that were not created via volcanic process and are less old than you'd think, and seemingly as having been created within an extremely short amount of time, whereas these horrific vertical formations seem as though more antipode generated than not. This somewhat testy "Icy ProtoMoon" and of it's "Lithobraking Arrival" as an ongoing research topic represents that within my open mindset there's a great deal of our past, present and future that's at stake of getting revised, of which nearly everything under the sun that's apparently orbiting our infomercial bulging and otherwise badly polluted flat Earth is at risk of falling off the edge, such as most everything from their Old Testament certified 'Big Bang' theory to that of our supposedly having walked on the moon is at risk. Sorry about that. Secondly, clearly my extremely poor old PC and that of my limited Mailgate/Usenet access are still each getting summarily stalked, trashed and/or terminated via spermware/****ware at every possible turn in this extremely bumpy Usenet road, as though I'm somehow the ultimate bad guy that's responsible for rocking a bit more than my fair share of their good ship LOLLIPOP. I totally agree with the few and far between likes of 'tomcat', such as focusing our clearly limited though honestly deductive research talents and zilch worth of resources upon reviewing the notion of placing such a super-sized whopper of a worthy mascon that's representing such a nearby moon into orbiting a given icy monoseason planet, that which otherwise still has a good amount of a fluid core and at least some degree of surface fluids (including the surrounding atmosphere) to work with, that can obviously be influenced and/or tidal forced, simply has to involve an ongoing taking of and/or giving process of transferring energy as related to the unavoidable gravity/tidal physics, for the very same reason why a satellite as set into safely orbiting our nearly naked moon is eventually dragged to it's demise unless having applied ION or some other means of reaction thrust. Therefore, the orbital mechanics of mascon physics as related to global warming is very real. A three body worth of such interactive mascon orbital physics seems all the more complex, and that of a forth body situation is nearly as complicated and supercomputer worthy task as astrophysics tends to get (especially if such were involving various Lithobraking events). I happen think we're dealing with at the very least a 5+ multi-body situation, along with all sorts of complex variables. (sorry about that) - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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