About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe and ' Charge'

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2. Charge

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Hannu

1.


From: " 22-FEB-2005 12:39:24.37
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Subj: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe

If we would get to know somehow the pregeometric structure
of the photon (alhough our present physics says it is
structureless) then I would like to discuss possible
use of such knowledge (where we could use this knowledge ?
or what applications it would have ?)

About two H-M's drawings about the photon
in contracting part of the Universe:

ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/

Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif

Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif

First H-M's photon drawing represent a "bundle of 'right'
neutrinos and corresponding 'right' 'small' neutrinos" when
they are binded together with six pregeometric "colour
electricity light particles" in contracting part of
the Universe(not visible to us) which has two different
kind of color electricity as I have understood.
These 'right' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic
monopoles" when they are binded like this.

Neutrinos have pregeometric "color signal periphery" and
corresponding "color electricity spot" in center of them
(maybe this is somekind of suction spot (somekind of
"back-hole" with respect to pregeometric "color
electricity signals") like electron have
in one H-M's drawing, I don't know,
and this is why I think the possibility that it could
have something to do with our familiar electric field).
Certain pregeometric "color electricity colors" forms
couplets in this bundle as I have explained in

README.all
README.MID
README.see

(summaries of my articles in the same directory.)

This signal periphery size is oscillating. I don't know
what this could represent. I have also understood that
neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles"
when binded like this in photon. I don't know could
this neutrino's 'signal periphery' be related somehow
to our familiar magnetic field.


Second H-M's drawing represent six color electricity
colors and two orthogonal color electricity colors
of the photon (maybe this represents also photon
in contracting Universe).

(six color segments inside the circle and one
color (circulating???) outside this circle and second
color in center of the circle)
Maybe this represent some symmetry group of these
pregeometric "color electricity interactions" I don't
myself understand this very well. Maybe question is
six pregeometric "color electricity light particles"
which transfers "messages" between "color electricity
magnetic monopoles" ?
Maybe two orthogonal colors represent two different
types of "color electricity" which exist in contracting
part of the Universe I don't know ?

Application to the photon in expanding part
of the Universe (our visible Universe):

I have understood from above also that the photon
could be a "bundle of 'wrong' neutrinos" when they are binded
with (six ??? or one ???) pregeometric "color electricity
light particles" in expanding part of the Universe
(our visible Universe). And when binded these 'wrong'
neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ???
Would this be some new interaction if true ???

What kind of symmetry group would we now have
I don't know (our present physics says it is U(1)) ???

I hope discussions about possible applications of above
and H-M's drawings and my summaries to our photon and
also to present physics or should we wait tens of thousands
of years untill our physics would be at H-M's level ?

Best Regards,

Hannu Poropudas

Vesaisentie 9E
90900 Kiiminki
Finland

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wrote:
One of the most fundamental concepts in science drives me insane:
charge.


What exactly is a charge? Has anyone been able to visually describe a
charge? Why do different fundamental particles have different
charges?
Are they emitting some kind of force that interacts with another
force
in some way?

It's frustrating.

I'am not sure did I understood H-M's electron and leptons drawings
right, but I understood it so that electron's charge for example
is pregeometric 'suction spot' on sphere surface formed by
circulating pregeometric 'color electricity color'.

This 'suction spot' on the sphere surface is a kind of 'black-hole'
with respect to 'color electricity signals' which leads to center
of this sphere.

(and also from center of the sphere to the center
of the whole space, this is how electron for example is tied to
to the geometry of the Universe as I have understood (anchored
object, this makes perhaps also electron's spin understandable,
rotation of 720 degrees is needed for spin = 1/2 particle and
rotation of 360 degrees is not enough for returning the particle
to its original position).

Hannu


References:

H-M's drawings (electron and leptons drawings are not
stored in this ftp) and my summaries (contais explanations
also about these missing drawings) about them

README.all
README.MID
README.see


ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/


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wrote in message
ups.com...
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was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique
copies to me back.

1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe
2. Charge

Please take a look.

Why?

[snip]

--
Franz
"The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis
by an ugly fact."
T.H. Huxley

In message , Franz Heymann
writes

wrote in message
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Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research
was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique
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1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe
2. Charge

Please take a look.

Why?

Maybe you don't remember Hanno and his daughter H-M?

"Hanno Poropudas (Wanna see gifs of my daughter's theories?):
Posts theories about space potatoes, made up of combinations of
positive- and negative-matter neutrinos, in sevens, to the sci.*
hierarchy (sci.physics). Somewhat entertaining.
.... lost more credibility when he revealed that the official-looking
name he kept referencing was in actuality his wee daughter, to whom much
of this information had come in the form of dreams, and who gives him
further leads in the form of crayoned drawings."

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/leg...html#poropudas

--
Richard Herring

"Richard Herring" ] wrote in message
...
In message , Franz Heymann
writes

wrote in message
oups.com...
Below is two posting of mine which was lost due
sci.physics.research
was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these
unique
copies to me back.

1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe
2. Charge

Please take a look.

Why?

Maybe you don't remember Hanno and his daughter H-M?

"Hanno Poropudas (Wanna see gifs of my daughter's theories?):
Posts theories about space potatoes, made up of combinations of
positive- and negative-matter neutrinos, in sevens, to the sci.*
hierarchy (sci.physics). Somewhat entertaining.
... lost more credibility when he revealed that the official-looking
name he kept referencing was in actuality his wee daughter, to whom
much
of this information had come in the form of dreams, and who gives
him
further leads in the form of crayoned drawings."

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/leg...html#poropudas

Thanks for the reminder.
I spent a while laughing at the URL.
{:-))

--
Franz
"The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis
by an ugly fact."
T.H. Huxley

Franz Heymann wrote:
"Richard Herring" ] wrote in message
...
In message , Franz Heymann
writes

wrote in message
oups.com...
Below is two posting of mine which was lost due
sci.physics.research
was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these
unique
copies to me back.

1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe
2. Charge

Please take a look.

Why?

Maybe you don't remember Hanno and his daughter H-M?

"Hanno Poropudas (Wanna see gifs of my daughter's theories?):
Posts theories about space potatoes, made up of combinations of
positive- and negative-matter neutrinos, in sevens, to the sci.*
hierarchy (sci.physics). Somewhat entertaining.
... lost more credibility when he revealed that the
official-looking
name he kept referencing was in actuality his wee daughter, to whom
much
of this information had come in the form of dreams, and who gives
him
further leads in the form of crayoned drawings."

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/leg...html#poropudas

Thanks for the reminder.
I spent a while laughing at the URL.
{:-))

Those above mentioned legends makers have made very much harm
to physics knowledge with their unbusinesslike writings.

And then I would like to remind you that
H-M was only 5 years old baby when she draw her first drawings.


--
Franz
"The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful
hypothesis
by an ugly fact."
T.H. Huxley

Below is second posting due no comments was given
in sci.optics and sci.physics.particle newsgroups.

Hannu

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Hi,

Below my article due no proper conversation was done
in news groups previously posted.

I have in vain tried to have businesslike discussions
with scientists about H-M's drawings about 13 years now
(from the year 1992).

I'am searching applications of this new knowledge and
I would hope proper businesslike conversations about
these H-M's drawings.

She drew her first drawings when she was only
5 years old (in 1992)!!!

This is why and due these photon drawings are such that
no human could know them and thus I believe that her
knowledge originates from some kind of unknown
'cosmic memory' given her by God due I don't understand
how this is otherwise possible.

I have understood also that when children like H-M grows
old they forget everything about this kind of knowledge
from 'cosmic memory' (as I call it).

Due these drawings and my explanations about them
I have suggested Nobel Prize of physics to H-M due
her superior knowledge about the Universe and elementary
particles.


Hannu


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Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research
was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique
copies to me back.

1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe
2. Charge

Please take a look.

Hannu

1.


From: " 22-FEB-2005 12:39:24.37
To:
CC:
Subj: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe

If we would get to know somehow the pregeometric structure
of the photon (alhough our present physics says it is
structureless) then I would like to discuss possible
use of such knowledge (where we could use this knowledge ?
or what applications it would have ?)

About two H-M's drawings about the photon
in contracting part of the Universe:

ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/

Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif

Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif

First H-M's photon drawing represent a "bundle of 'right'
neutrinos and corresponding 'right' 'small' neutrinos" when
they are binded together with six pregeometric "colour
electricity light particles" in contracting part of
the Universe(not visible to us) which has two different
kind of color electricity as I have understood.
These 'right' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic
monopoles" when they are binded like this.

Neutrinos have pregeometric "color signal periphery" and
corresponding "color electricity spot" in center of them
(maybe this is somekind of suction spot (somekind of
"back-hole" with respect to pregeometric "color
electricity signals") like electron have
in one H-M's drawing, I don't know,
and this is why I think the possibility that it could
have something to do with our familiar electric field).
Certain pregeometric "color electricity colors" forms
couplets in this bundle as I have explained in

README.all
README.MID
README.see

(summaries of my articles in the same directory.)

This signal periphery size is oscillating. I don't know
what this could represent. I have also understood that
neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles"
when binded like this in photon. I don't know could
this neutrino's 'signal periphery' be related somehow
to our familiar magnetic field.


Second H-M's drawing represent six color electricity
colors and two orthogonal color electricity colors
of the photon (maybe this represents also photon
in contracting Universe).

(six color segments inside the circle and one
color (circulating???) outside this circle and second
color in center of the circle)
Maybe this represent some symmetry group of these
pregeometric "color electricity interactions" I don't
myself understand this very well. Maybe question is
six pregeometric "color electricity light particles"
which transfers "messages" between "color electricity
magnetic monopoles" ?
Maybe two orthogonal colors represent two different
types of "color electricity" which exist in contracting
part of the Universe I don't know ?

Application to the photon in expanding part
of the Universe (our visible Universe):

I have understood from above also that the photon
could be a "bundle of 'wrong' neutrinos" when they are binded
with (six ??? ******) pregeometric "color electricity
light particles" in expanding part of the Universe
(our visible Universe). And when binded these 'wrong'
neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ???
Would this be some new interaction if true ???

What kind of symmetry group would we now have
I don't know (our present physics says it is U(1)) ???

I hope discussions about possible applications of above
and H-M's drawings and my summaries to our photon and
also to present physics or should we wait tens of thousands
of years untill our physics would be at H-M's level ?

Best Regards,

Hannu Poropudas

Vesaisentie 9E
90900 Kiiminki
Finland

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From: " 22-FEB-2005 15:49:40.12
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wrote:
One of the most fundamental concepts in science drives me insane:
charge.


What exactly is a charge? Has anyone been able to visually describe a
charge? Why do different fundamental particles have different
charges?
Are they emitting some kind of force that interacts with another
force
in some way?

It's frustrating.

I'am not sure did I understood H-M's electron and leptons drawings
right, but I understood it so that electron's charge for example
is pregeometric 'suction spot' on sphere surface formed by
circulating pregeometric 'color electricity color'.

This 'suction spot' on the sphere surface is a kind of 'black-hole'
with respect to 'color electricity signals' which leads to center
of this sphere.

(and also from center of the sphere to the center
of the whole space, this is how electron for example is tied to
to the geometry of the Universe as I have understood (anchored
object, this makes perhaps also electron's spin understandable,
rotation of 720 degrees is needed for spin = 1/2 particle and
rotation of 360 degrees is not enough for returning the particle
to its original position).

Hannu


References:

H-M's drawings (electron and leptons drawings are not
stored in this ftp) and my summaries (contais explanations
also about these missing drawings) about them

README.all
README.MID
README.see


ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/


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H-M's drawing about pregeometry of photon in contracting Universe
seems to me be compatible also with structure of exotic "space-potato"
particle (about which there are also drawings in the same directory
and explanations also in three mentioned text files , some essential
part only in finnish text).

Drawings seems to be also comptible about GRB phenomena (Gamma Ray
Bursts) as I explained also in those text files.

It is strange how photon from contracting part of the Universe
and photon from expanding part of the Universe (our visible side)
could from such structure ("space-potato").

I forget to mention that files

README.all
README.MID
README.see

(summaries of my articles in the same directory.)

in

ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/

are ordinary text-files and they are readable with aid
of notepad editor program or in DOS-level they are
readable with ordinary edit command (DOS-command).

Scanned pictures

Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif

Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif

are readable with aid of PhotoShop-program
(pictures are .gif format).

Please take a look !!!

Hannu


wrote:
Below is second posting due no comments was given
in sci.optics and sci.physics.particle newsgroups.

Hannu

From:
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Hi,

Below my article due no proper conversation was done
in news groups previously posted.

I have in vain tried to have businesslike discussions
with scientists about H-M's drawings about 13 years now
(from the year 1992).

I'am searching applications of this new knowledge and
I would hope proper businesslike conversations about
these H-M's drawings.

She drew her first drawings when she was only
5 years old (in 1992)!!!

This is why and due these photon drawings are such that
no human could know them and thus I believe that her
knowledge originates from some kind of unknown
'cosmic memory' given her by God due I don't understand
how this is otherwise possible.

I have understood also that when children like H-M grows
old they forget everything about this kind of knowledge
from 'cosmic memory' (as I call it).

Due these drawings and my explanations about them
I have suggested Nobel Prize of physics to H-M due
her superior knowledge about the Universe and elementary
particles.


Hannu


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Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research
was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique
copies to me back.

1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe
2. Charge

Please take a look.

Hannu

1.


From: " 22-FEB-2005 12:39:24.37
To:
CC:
Subj: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe

If we would get to know somehow the pregeometric structure
of the photon (alhough our present physics says it is
structureless) then I would like to discuss possible
use of such knowledge (where we could use this knowledge ?
or what applications it would have ?)

About two H-M's drawings about the photon
in contracting part of the Universe:

ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/

Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif

Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif

First H-M's photon drawing represent a "bundle of 'right'
neutrinos and corresponding 'right' 'small' neutrinos" when
they are binded together with six pregeometric "colour
electricity light particles" in contracting part of
the Universe(not visible to us) which has two different
kind of color electricity as I have understood.
These 'right' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic
monopoles" when they are binded like this.

Neutrinos have pregeometric "color signal periphery" and
corresponding "color electricity spot" in center of them
(maybe this is somekind of suction spot (somekind of
"back-hole" with respect to pregeometric "color
electricity signals") like electron have
in one H-M's drawing, I don't know,
and this is why I think the possibility that it could
have something to do with our familiar electric field).
Certain pregeometric "color electricity colors" forms
couplets in this bundle as I have explained in

README.all
README.MID
README.see

(summaries of my articles in the same directory.)

This signal periphery size is oscillating. I don't know
what this could represent. I have also understood that
neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles"
when binded like this in photon. I don't know could
this neutrino's 'signal periphery' be related somehow
to our familiar magnetic field.


Second H-M's drawing represent six color electricity
colors and two orthogonal color electricity colors
of the photon (maybe this represents also photon
in contracting Universe).

(six color segments inside the circle and one
color (circulating???) outside this circle and second
color in center of the circle)
Maybe this represent some symmetry group of these
pregeometric "color electricity interactions" I don't
myself understand this very well. Maybe question is
six pregeometric "color electricity light particles"
which transfers "messages" between "color electricity
magnetic monopoles" ?
Maybe two orthogonal colors represent two different
types of "color electricity" which exist in contracting
part of the Universe I don't know ?

Application to the photon in expanding part
of the Universe (our visible Universe):

I have understood from above also that the photon
could be a "bundle of 'wrong' neutrinos" when they are binded
with (six ??? ******) pregeometric "color electricity
light particles" in expanding part of the Universe
(our visible Universe). And when binded these 'wrong'
neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ???
Would this be some new interaction if true ???

What kind of symmetry group would we now have
I don't know (our present physics says it is U(1)) ???

I hope discussions about possible applications of above
and H-M's drawings and my summaries to our photon and
also to present physics or should we wait tens of thousands
of years untill our physics would be at H-M's level ?

Best Regards,

Hannu Poropudas

Vesaisentie 9E
90900 Kiiminki
Finland

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wrote:
One of the most fundamental concepts in science drives me insane:
charge.


What exactly is a charge? Has anyone been able to visually describe a
charge? Why do different fundamental particles have different
charges?
Are they emitting some kind of force that interacts with another
force
in some way?

It's frustrating.

I'am not sure did I understood H-M's electron and leptons drawings
right, but I understood it so that electron's charge for example
is pregeometric 'suction spot' on sphere surface formed by
circulating pregeometric 'color electricity color'.

This 'suction spot' on the sphere surface is a kind of 'black-hole'
with respect to 'color electricity signals' which leads to center
of this sphere.

(and also from center of the sphere to the center
of the whole space, this is how electron for example is tied to
to the geometry of the Universe as I have understood (anchored
object, this makes perhaps also electron's spin understandable,
rotation of 720 degrees is needed for spin = 1/2 particle and
rotation of 360 degrees is not enough for returning the particle
to its original position).

Hannu


References:

H-M's drawings (electron and leptons drawings are not
stored in this ftp) and my summaries (contais explanations
also about these missing drawings) about them

README.all
README.MID
README.see


ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/


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wrote:
H-M's drawing about pregeometry of photon in contracting Universe
seems to me be compatible also with structure of exotic "space-potato"
particle (about which there are also drawings in the same directory
and explanations also in three mentioned text files , some essential
part only in finnish text).


Scanned drawing about "space-potato" (this is drawn on the right
hand side / lower side of the drawing, bigger drawing is structure
of galaxy's nucleus [this is "diamond" and it is also called "neutrino
star" ] and its surrounding "radiation peripheries" [detail structure
of "radiation periphery" is "space potato"] )is:

Hanna-Maria-drawing-6.123.gif

Please take a look !!!

Hannu

Drawings seems to be also comptible about GRB phenomena (Gamma Ray
Bursts) as I explained also in those text files.

It is strange how photon from contracting part of the Universe
and photon from expanding part of the Universe (our visible side)
could from such structure ("space-potato").


If my interpretation of photon in this structure is right.

I forget to mention that files

README.all
README.MID
README.see

(summaries of my articles in the same directory.)

in

ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/

are ordinary text-files and they are readable with aid
of notepad editor program or in DOS-level they are
readable with ordinary edit command (DOS-command).

Scanned pictures

Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif

Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif

are readable with aid of PhotoShop-program
(pictures are .gif format).

Please take a look !!!

Hannu


wrote:
Below is second posting due no comments was given
in sci.optics and sci.physics.particle newsgroups.

Hannu

From:
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Hi,

Below my article due no proper conversation was done
in news groups previously posted.

I have in vain tried to have businesslike discussions
with scientists about H-M's drawings about 13 years now
(from the year 1992).

I'am searching applications of this new knowledge and
I would hope proper businesslike conversations about
these H-M's drawings.

She drew her first drawings when she was only
5 years old (in 1992)!!!

This is why and due these photon drawings are such that
no human could know them and thus I believe that her
knowledge originates from some kind of unknown
'cosmic memory' given her by God due I don't understand
how this is otherwise possible.

I have understood also that when children like H-M grows
old they forget everything about this kind of knowledge
from 'cosmic memory' (as I call it).

Due these drawings and my explanations about them
I have suggested Nobel Prize of physics to H-M due
her superior knowledge about the Universe and elementary
particles.


Hannu


From:
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Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research
was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique
copies to me back.

1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe
2. Charge

Please take a look.

Hannu

1.


From: " 22-FEB-2005 12:39:24.37
To:
CC:
Subj: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe

If we would get to know somehow the pregeometric structure
of the photon (alhough our present physics says it is
structureless) then I would like to discuss possible
use of such knowledge (where we could use this knowledge ?
or what applications it would have ?)

About two H-M's drawings about the photon
in contracting part of the Universe:

ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/

Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif

Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif

First H-M's photon drawing represent a "bundle of 'right'
neutrinos and corresponding 'right' 'small' neutrinos" when
they are binded together with six pregeometric "colour
electricity light particles" in contracting part of
the Universe(not visible to us) which has two different
kind of color electricity as I have understood.
These 'right' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic
monopoles" when they are binded like this.

Neutrinos have pregeometric "color signal periphery" and
corresponding "color electricity spot" in center of them
(maybe this is somekind of suction spot (somekind of
"back-hole" with respect to pregeometric "color
electricity signals") like electron have
in one H-M's drawing, I don't know,
and this is why I think the possibility that it could
have something to do with our familiar electric field).
Certain pregeometric "color electricity colors" forms
couplets in this bundle as I have explained in

README.all
README.MID
README.see

(summaries of my articles in the same directory.)

This signal periphery size is oscillating. I don't know
what this could represent. I have also understood that
neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles"
when binded like this in photon. I don't know could
this neutrino's 'signal periphery' be related somehow
to our familiar magnetic field.


Second H-M's drawing represent six color electricity
colors and two orthogonal color electricity colors
of the photon (maybe this represents also photon
in contracting Universe).

(six color segments inside the circle and one
color (circulating???) outside this circle and second
color in center of the circle)
Maybe this represent some symmetry group of these
pregeometric "color electricity interactions" I don't
myself understand this very well. Maybe question is
six pregeometric "color electricity light particles"
which transfers "messages" between "color electricity
magnetic monopoles" ?
Maybe two orthogonal colors represent two different
types of "color electricity" which exist in contracting
part of the Universe I don't know ?

Application to the photon in expanding part
of the Universe (our visible Universe):

I have understood from above also that the photon
could be a "bundle of 'wrong' neutrinos" when they are binded
with (six ??? ******) pregeometric "color electricity
light particles" in expanding part of the Universe
(our visible Universe). And when binded these 'wrong'
neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ???
Would this be some new interaction if true ???

What kind of symmetry group would we now have
I don't know (our present physics says it is U(1)) ???

I hope discussions about possible applications of above
and H-M's drawings and my summaries to our photon and
also to present physics or should we wait tens of thousands
of years untill our physics would be at H-M's level ?

Best Regards,

Hannu Poropudas

Vesaisentie 9E
90900 Kiiminki
Finland

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wrote:
One of the most fundamental concepts in science drives me insane:
charge.


What exactly is a charge? Has anyone been able to visually describe a
charge? Why do different fundamental particles have different
charges?
Are they emitting some kind of force that interacts with another
force
in some way?

It's frustrating.

I'am not sure did I understood H-M's electron and leptons drawings
right, but I understood it so that electron's charge for example
is pregeometric 'suction spot' on sphere surface formed by
circulating pregeometric 'color electricity color'.

This 'suction spot' on the sphere surface is a kind of 'black-hole'
with respect to 'color electricity signals' which leads to center
of this sphere.

(and also from center of the sphere to the center
of the whole space, this is how electron for example is tied to
to the geometry of the Universe as I have understood (anchored
object, this makes perhaps also electron's spin understandable,
rotation of 720 degrees is needed for spin = 1/2 particle and
rotation of 360 degrees is not enough for returning the particle
to its original position).

Hannu


References:

H-M's drawings (electron and leptons drawings are not
stored in this ftp) and my summaries (contais explanations
also about these missing drawings) about them

README.all
README.MID
README.see


ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/


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