The Moon's poles have shifted over time.

http://www.psi.edu/news/sieglermoontilt

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 2:04:14 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
http://www.psi.edu/news/sieglermoontilt

Every day is April fools day with empiricists, after all, people who look up at the moon and declare is spins while being dead serious are wanting in many,many ways.

Representing the Moon's monthly orbit of the Earth by walking around a central object with an outstretched arm pointing at the object and that is how the moon orbits the Earth with a near side that we always see in view. It is called common sense.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 2:30:15 PM UTC+1, oriel36 wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 2:04:14 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
http://www.psi.edu/news/sieglermoontilt

Every day is April fools day with empiricists, after all, people who look up at the moon and declare is spins while being dead serious are wanting in many,many ways.


If it doesn't spin, how come a person standing on the surface sees the Sun rise and set?

Sounds like the North Pole to me, which you insist sees sunrise and set thanks to a surface rotation. Evidently the Moon has a surface rotation too.

You will NEVER convince Gerald that the moon rotates, he does not have the gift of perception and is not capable of learning anything from anyone here or from any links you may provide.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 2:42:00 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
You will NEVER convince Gerald that the moon rotates, he does not have the gift of perception and is not capable of learning anything from anyone here or from any links you may provide.

I got his to stop saying Quadrature when talking about the inner planets once.

And he added the word "unevenly" to his dual surface rotation baloney after I pointed out some flaws.

But no, I don't expect him to admit to being wrong, or to learn anything important.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 2:42:00 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
You will NEVER convince Gerald that the moon rotates, he does not have the gift of perception and is not capable of learning anything from anyone here or from any links you may provide.

You have been insisting for years that there are more rotations than there are 24 hour days so it is no wonder you couldn't manage to appreciate polar sunrise and sunset as coming from a separation rotation to daily rotation.

" It is a fact not generally known that,owing to the difference between solar and sidereal time,the Earth rotates upon its axis once more often than there are days in the year" NASA /Harvard

I would have thought that in over two decades at least one person would affirm that the Sun coming into view would be as a result of one rotation of the planet but haven't seen anyone who can actually associate a sunrise and sunset due to a rotating planet.

I wouldn't know what it feels like to force yourself to believe a sunrise/sunset is Not a consequence of rotation and specifically polar sunrise and sunset -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okw6Mu3mxdM

You can believe whatever you want as is your right and trot out your stock phrases but all you and your magnification buddies represent is a period in history when the discipline of astronomy fell foul of celestial sphere enthusiasts and empirical theorists. Not even sunrise and sunset is attributed to a surface rotation and that is heartbreaking and dismal at the same time.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 3:04:22 PM UTC+1, oriel36 wrote:
Not even sunrise and sunset is attributed to a surface rotation and that is heartbreaking and dismal at the same time.

But Gerald, YOU are the one asserting that sunrise and sunset happen without a surface rotation.

On the Moon.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 2:50:19 PM UTC+1, wrote:


And he added the word "unevenly" to his dual surface rotation baloney after I pointed out some flaws.

But no, I don't expect him to admit to being wrong, or to learn anything important.

You are a newbie and will quickly learn your place among many of the others who have long since descended int social/political commentaries with a bit of optics thrown in.

The natural inequality in the total length of the natural noon cycles are from the same cause as the seasons. I am sure that some find the whole setup enjoyable where the Earth's dual day/night cycles are isolated by rotations and then re-assembled to form the principles as to why the noon cycles vary as the Earth turns in two separate but simultaneous ways to the central Sun.

The polar day/night cycle is in response to the orbital motion of the Earth and as the planet's speed varies then so does the attending surface rotation. This is why the poles offer a window into that surface rotation and becoming fascinating when combined with daily rotation.

It is hard to know if common sense will prevail but should anyone wish to investigate timekeeping, the 24 hour system in tandem with the Lat/Long system within the calendar framework will need to appreciate where timekeeping comes into close proximity to the daily and annual cycles of the Earth.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 3:13:50 PM UTC+1, oriel36 wrote:

The natural inequality in the total length of the natural noon cycles are from the same cause as the seasons.

The variation in length of the day over a year is because of the elliptical shape of Earth's orbit. This has an influence on the seasons, but we would still have seasons even if the orbit was perfectly circular because of axial tilt.

Indeed, your precession diagram (which you pretend is not a precession diagram) does not show the effects of the elliptical orbit at all, yet you claim it explains the seasons.

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 3:12:58 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 3:04:22 PM UTC+1, oriel36 wrote:
Not even sunrise and sunset is attributed to a surface rotation and that is heartbreaking and dismal at the same time.

But Gerald, YOU are the one asserting that sunrise and sunset happen without a surface rotation.

On the Moon.

The moon is not the Earth and the Sun comes into view in two different ways on Earth at sunrise each day and separately at the Equinox at the Northern and Southern polar latitude.

The lunar day/night cycle is a consequence of the moon's motion around the Earth and would normally be so much common sense that it really doesn't need explaining -

https://stardate.org/sites/default/f...sky/phases.gif

There was a brief period in the 19th century when people did rebel against the nonsense of a spinning moon but so ingrained is the empirical cult that the nightmare still survives with people dead serious. You are a newbie so I suggest you look up where Newton misread Kepler's Somnium as they can be found in the archives but I wouldn't bother repeating the forensics of the thing -

https://books.google.ie/books?id=OdC...ge &q&f=false

Kepler already stated the moon doesn't rotate in context of his theory of planetary and lunar motions so it can't be anything other than a misreading by a very silly man.