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Old September 23rd 09, 05:31 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Heath Matlock
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Does anyone have a rundown of costs for launching a rocket into
space?

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Old September 23rd 09, 06:09 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Pat Flannery
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Heath Matlock wrote:
Does anyone have a rundown of costs for launching a rocket into
space?


Into orbit, or just into space?

Pat
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Old September 23rd 09, 01:37 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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On Sep 22, 9:31*pm, Heath Matlock wrote:
Does anyone have a rundown of costs for launching a rocket into
space?

Heath Matlock
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The all-inclusive cost is top secret, because the public isn't ever
supposed to know or realize what the honest birth to grave cost
(including environment impact and those lucrative retirements with
nifty benefits) is really all about.

Of whatever is given out to the public media, as to the supposed cost
per kg deployed, you can safely double or perhaps even triple that
amount for the true all-inclusive cost that one way or another gets
public funded.

Government shell Pat Flannery is of course required to object and
obfuscate on behalf of protecting the hand that feeds him, though
perhaps even Pat doesn't know the actual need-to-know truth(s). Why
should our mostly kosher infested government share this knowledge?

If you were a public funded crook or a self made crook like Ponzi
Madoff, would you tell us what the honest birth-to-grave (all-
inclusive) cost actually is of your agency programs?

Would you share all the necessary infrastructure, trial and errors
plus whatever R&D failure cost that's unavoidably related?

How about the cost of all those national and local archives plus
museums?

Don't forget all the tax avoidance factors of the annual billions in
local property tax revenue that gets paid by others, because
rightfully nothing of government operations or that of government
funded research play hardly if any local property or sales tax. This
means that private property and local sales tax is always kept that
much higher for all the rest of us.

~ BG
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Old September 23rd 09, 08:49 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Jeff Findley
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"Heath Matlock" wrote in message
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Does anyone have a rundown of costs for launching a rocket into
space?


It's all pretty proprietary.

Jeff
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that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
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Old September 23rd 09, 10:25 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)[_390_]
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"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
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"Heath Matlock" wrote in message
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Does anyone have a rundown of costs for launching a rocket into
space?


It's all pretty proprietary.


That said, if you Google you can find things like the price for various
launchers and in some cases breakdowns for things like fuel costs.

But there's no single resource I know of that's comprehensive and detailed
and accurate.


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Old September 24th 09, 03:00 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Pat Flannery
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Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:

But there's no single resource I know of that's comprehensive and detailed
and accurate.


Futron did some overall launch cost studies and price per kilogram to
LEO and GEO studies from 1999-2000 he
http://www.futron.com/pdf/resource_c...unchCostWP.pdf

Pat
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Old September 24th 09, 02:10 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Brian Thorn[_2_]
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:31:18 -0700 (PDT), Heath Matlock
wrote:

Does anyone have a rundown of costs for launching a rocket into
space?


Its probably too fluid. A price you hear this year won't be the same
as the one last year or next year, and if you buy more than one
launch, you also get a different price.

The military doesn't buy one launch at a time, so per-launch costs are
basically a guess based on space budgets per year, but you get into
complications if a payload isn't ready for launch in the year it was
originally meant to fly (such as tomorrow's STSS flight, now something
like two years behind schedule.)

Commercial customers and launch providers don't often publicly reveal
their costs, as shown here with SpaceX announcing a launch contract
for Orbcomm but keeping mum on how much they get.

http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=20090903

About the only good ballpark figures we have are from NASA press
releases, such as this one...

http://www.moondaily.com/reports/NAS...vices_999.html

....which says an Atlas V could be bought for $136 million in 2006.

Or this one...

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=23691

....which says an Atlas V costs them $190 million in 2007.

LRO was launched on an Atlas 401 and Juno will launch on an Atlas 551,
which represent the low and high ends of the existing Atlas V family,
so we have a range of $136-190 million per Atlas V launch as of two
years ago.

Avaition Week recently reported that the two US EELVs are priced about
10-15% above "what the market will bear", which may give us an
indication of Ariane V, SeaLaunch (now on hiatus) and Proton launch
costs.

Brian
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Old October 2nd 09, 05:21 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Keith Wetzel AKA Space Cadet
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On Sep 22, 11:31*pm, Heath Matlock wrote:
Does anyone have a rundown of costs for launching a rocket into
space?

Heath Matlock
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I few weeks back I was searching on various launchers and ran across
this site

http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/elvs.shtml

Thou they do post a disclaimer:
Note: Payload performance and estimated cost provided for information
only. If you are interested in contracting for launch services, we
recommend that you contact the service provider directly using the
information above.

But it should be good enough for some ball park BOTE calcs

Just my $0.02

Space Cadet

Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter

http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/

There is only one (maybe 2) basic core reasons for humans to go
beyond LEO, That is for the establishment of space settlements or a
space based civilization. Everything else are details.

Gary Gray 11/9/2005
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Old October 2nd 09, 10:30 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Pat Flannery
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Keith Wetzel AKA Space Cadet wrote:

I few weeks back I was searching on various launchers and ran across
this site

http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/elvs/elvs.shtml


The site's info is way out of date, as note the page on the Avrora
launch vehicle: http://www.spaceandtech.com/spacedat...rora_sum.shtml

"Australia's Asia Pacific Space Centre (ASPC). APSC has joined with
Rosviakosmos, RSC Energia, Samara Central Specialized Design Bureau and
Progress Plant (TsSKB-Progress) and the Design Bureau of General Machine
Building (KBOM). No technology or license on the production of rockets
and spacecraft will be offered to the Australian partners. No Russian
government funds will be invested in the venture.

The Avrora flight tests will be launched from Baikonur Cosmodrome. The
first commercial launch out of Australia’s Christmas Island is planned
for the last quarter of 2003. After introduction, manufacturing and
launch rates are projected to ramp up to as many as 15 launches per year
by 2006."

Never happened; no Avrora, no launch pad, no launches.

Pat


 




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