Response to a Vested-Interest VELIKOVSKY Critic

On Mon, 02 Jun 1997, William Sommerwerck
wrote to sci.astro:

More on "The Velikovsky Affair":

Wrote Alfred De Grazia, the book's author:

With rare imagination and consummate skill, he fashioned
them into theories of great scope, compactness, and integration.

Just the opposite. Most of Velikovsky's theories are complex and
arbitrary. They ignore basic, well-understood scientific principles,
and have things happening because they are "supposed" to, without
ordinary cause and effect.

If you have not read "Worlds in Collusion," please do so. It's utter
garbage from beginning to end.

Just because the scientific community has its share of "deceit,
deception, collusion and conspiracy," doesn't mean that Velikovksy
had anything worth contributing. Conventional scientific theories
do not have to be right for Velikovsky to be wrong.


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Ed Conrad wrote:

You, sir, are entitled to your opinion.
And, obviously, it is all wet.
It is fact -- not fiction -- that Immanuel Velikovsky will forever
rank as one of the most brilliant "scientists" of the 20th century,
an investigative reporter if there ever was one.

After all these years, Velikovsky's asute -- and correct --
observations about the earth's prehistory remain a beacon of truth
in contrast to fiction and fabrication offered by Birds of a Feather
Who Sleep Together.

Anyone with an inkling of common sense, a dash of basic integrity
and a dab of human decency KNOWS Velikovsky was pounced on
unmercifully by establishment pseudoscientists weighed down by tons
upon tons of vested interests they simply had to protect.

But one of your comments above definitely deserves merit.

You are correct when stating that "most of Velikovsky's theories are
complex and arbitrary. They ignore basic, well-understood scientific
principles.."

And they certainly should!

That's obviously because many of those "basic, well-understood
scientific principles" have no basis in fact.

For just one example, I point to your Darwinian theory of man's
inhuman origin -- your iron-clad claim that our ancesteors had evolved
from a cat-size monkeylike insectivore of 60-65 million years ago.

Let's have some undeniable physical evidence of this incredible
transition, Mr. Sommerwerck?

All I have ever encountered hasve been rhetoric. Would you kindly
provide some evidence? ANY evidence? I'd gladly settle for enough
to fit on the head of a pin.

In contrast, the petrified human remains -- bones, teeth AND soft
organs discovered between Pennsylvania's anthracite veins (SEE BELOW)
-- offer the undeniable physical evidence that man was around while
coal was being ormed.

Unfortunately, our far-remote ancestors were virtually annihiliated
during one of several of earth's atmospheric-related catastrophes that
the great Velikovsky had written about in "Worlds in Collision" and
"Earth in Upheaval," his wake-up call to his fellow man.

Proof you want, proof you get...

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MAN AS OLD AS COAL
Petrified Bones, Teeth and Soft Organs
(Some Human) Found Between Coal Veins

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OLDEST HUMAN SKULL EVER FOUND

http://www.edconrad.com/images/z11calv.jpg
http://www.edconrad.com/images/krogwskull.jpg

Wilton Krogman, one of the world's foremost experts
on human anatomy, holds what he had identified as
a petrified human calvarium, a skull with the eye
sockets broken off, that was discovered between
Pennsylvania's anthracite veins. He is shown at his
desk at the Cooper Clinic in Lancaster, Pa., where
moments later he beckoned a colleague -- a medical
doctor -- to examine "the oldest human skull ever
found."

A CATscan was performed on this specimen with
favorable results.

http://www.edconrad.com/images/catcalv.jpg

Meanwhile, Haversian canals were identified in the
cell structue, the tell-tale sign of bone. And dried
blood was found on the specimen during testing at
American Medical Laboratories in Chantilly, Va.

This is the official report from AML which had
erformed Calculus Analysis by Crystallography.
The final report, dated April 21, 2000, was issued
by Dr. Nathan Sherman, director of laboratories.

"The specimen consists of 1 irregularly
shaped, brown calculus weighing less
than 0.0010 grams and measuring 1X1X0.5
mm. No nidus is observed. The calculi
indicates a composition of dried blood
intermingled with a few small crystals
resembling calcium oxalate dihydrate."

http://www.edconrad.com/images/z12calv.jpg

http://www.edconrad.com/images/z13cav.jpg

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OTHER PETRIFIED BONES, TEETH AND
SOFT ORGANS FOUND BETWEEN COAL VEINS

Here'sa petrified human femur still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z8femur.jpg

Here's a petrified human finger, with fingernail:
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/FINGER/MVC-008S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/FINGER/MVC-011S.JPG

Here's a petrified human toe (with toe nail), found only
10-15 feet from the petrified finger.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-017S.JPG

Here are the petrified human finger and the petrified
human toe shown together.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-016S.JPG

Here's the specimen that Krogman identified as a tibia
It contains Haversian canals, proof of bone, and dried
blood was found on it during testing at American Medical
Laboratories. This is the specimen that was fraudulently
tested by Andrew MacRae who produced microscopic photos
of the cell structure of a rock on the false pretext
that he was showing the cell structure of this specimen.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/newtibia.jpg

This is the boulder containing the complete human skull.
Testing has confirmed the presence of Haversian canals
and American Medical Laboratories discovered it contains
dried blood.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/skullb.jpg

Here's a petrified human mandible (frontal).
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-002S.JPG

Here's a portion of a human mandible (side).
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-006S.JPG

Here's a giant petrified tooth.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/1tooth.jpg

Here's a petrified dinosaur foot still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/z3dino.jpg

Here's a petrified fetus of some large animal.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/MVC-013F.JPG

Here's another petrified fetus, still embedded in slate.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Day/MVC-005S.JPG

Here are several views of portion of a giant prehistoric
scorpion identified as such by Krogman.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-001S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-010S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-020S.JPG

Here's a photo of the same portion of a petrified giant
scorpion -- found 22 years ago -- alongside one found
weeks ago.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/SCORPIONS/MVC-039S.JPG

Here are two views of a piece of wood that appears to have
been handcarved for use as a tool or a weapon.
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-003S.JPG
http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-005S.JPG

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LATEST DISCOVERIES: NEW Petrified Human Finger, Thumb

http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/O11/MVC-038S.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/O11/MVC-037S.JPG

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WHOOPS, I forgot...

On Mon, 02 Jun 1997, William Sommerwerck
wrote (to sci.astro):

Stated De Grazia (about Immanuel Velikovsky):
With rare imagination and consummate skill, he fashioned
them into theories of great scope, compactness, and integration.

Just because the scientific community has its share of "deceit,
deception, collusion and conspiracy," doesn't mean that Velikovksy
had anything worth contributing.

Sorry, Bill, you stand corrected.

It was precisely BECAUSE of the scientific community's "deceit,
deception, collusion and conspiracy" -- which certainly reared its
ugly head with the publication of "Worlds in Collision" -- that the
simpleminded of the world were conned into thinking Velikovsky
had contributed nothing.

"The Velikovsky Affair" is a glaring example of how low established
science can stoop to protect its erroneous theories and vested,
special interests.

Incidently, this same sort of stuff is going on right now -- and has
been for the past 16 years (now 21 years) - with

"MAN AS OLD AS COAL"