Proof of Evolution.

On Jul 22, 7:19 pm, "Damian J. Anderson"
wrote:

Just because something evolved
does not mean it was not created.

THAT is precisely what it means:

There is NO SINGLE THING in existence
which is not an evolution of previous things.

Just ... please don't throw in things which DO NOT
EXIST (like God, angels, Satan, Santa, pixies,
fairies, or leprechauns, etc.).

Otherwise, what you have there is A THING
brought into existence out of Nothingness. Or,
"created" by magic (with no connection whatever
to the laws of science, of nature, of physics).

In your example below, every "evolution" of
Office was "created" (everything is an evolution)
by man. What you may NOT do is take something
created by man and term it a "creation from
Nothingness" (any more than you can take a man's
nose and term it a "creation" of that man) as if man
had played no part in the creation/evolution of that
whatever thing. If you're going to do this, then you
are going to have to say that man himself is a
creation of his environment (and not of God).

The universe (everything that exists) is an evolution.

What this means is that it has a history of evolving.
Were it otherwise, it would have NO history of
evolving ... and only a point of creation. The Big
Bang Theory is religion, not science--reduced purely
to science, it is repudiated/disproved by countless
principles and laws of physics, and can ONLY be
sustained by the laws of science fiction (invisible
inexplicable undetectable dark energies and matters).
SEE:
http://physics.sdrodrian.com

The history of the evolution of the universe comprises
ALL of human history. The "facts" in man's "stores of
knowledge" are either true or false: either "what you
know" is "what is there," or you know nothing about
anything... in which case, how can you live like that!

We know a vast amount about the evolution/history
of man: What precursor we evolved from, where, why,
and how we murderous apes came to conquer this
little planet we so brilliantly camed "Earth." We
know exactly where/when/and by whom all the
religions of man were invented.

Our books are filled with facts...

I suppose it's, as you might assert, merely a matter
of faith. In which case, you answer it: Do you believe
what some people are saying about life, or do you
believe what life has to say about itself?

It's entirely your call. Either you believe the parts
which seems very believable, or you believe the parts
that seem very unbelievable. Good luck in this quest
every living being undertakes!

Microsoft Office for example, has evolved since
its creation, but it
is clear that it did not
create itself. It came from the minds of
intelligent beings, namely software
developers. All aspects of
technology have evolved in the
last 100 or more years, but again, it
has evolved because of the intelligence,
ingenuity and creativity of
human beings. Likewise, the world
of nature may have evolved, but not
by virtue of its own intelligence, but
by that of its creator, by
whatever name you call Him.

Damian Anderson

Please make a definite distinction between an idea
of man's and an idea of God's: Man is a material
creature, and, when realized, his ideas are of the
moment they are manufactured (made by his hands);
in other words, they are one moment's evolution of
the previous moments (indeed, of all moments, time
without end)... while God is a mythological being
whose mythological ideas have, of necessity, no
relationship whatsoever with any moment (timeless
as they are from the instant they are realized even
unto all the future)... nor even with materials (for
God, unlike man, can create angels & Satan, et al).
In other words, what man creates is of/for a time
(like your versions of Office), while God creates
things which are for all time (ergo they have no
relationship whatsoever with "evolution").

This is all merely to point out that no part of God
has anything to do with man, because every part of
man is the product of evolution (your parents). And
never the twain shall meet: Angels have no parents,
nor Satan an heir.

But thank you for acknowledging that "everything
is an evolution." Now read about the history of this
planet. Specifically how once there was no oxygen
here, and how the creatures that lived then produced
oxygen as a waste product: Those creatures were
so successful that they caused a world-wide
catastrophe (namely, they polluted the planet with
so much oxygen that they themselves then found it
impossible to "breathe" -live- in it and died off in
droves, leaving the planet open for creatures which
thrived on oxygen). No creature can live on its own
waste, you know.

Since then the earth has achieved a balance of sorts
(a compromise) between creatures that breathe
oxygen and those which produce oxygen as a waste
product. (A compromise/balance which, as you will
see, is not God-planned, and therefore, only for a
time). Stay tuned.

But the oxygen catastrophe was an undisputed
catastrophe for the creatures which produced it.
Which is an example of two of my crucial points:

The ability of evolution (blind, unforgiving
evolution) to produce life forms which adapt
to any conditions (no matter how catastrophic
they may appear to be)... and the point that
a perfect God, with a perfect intellect, would
never have made such catastrophic blunders
(but would have no doubt carefully "thought out"
the eventual compromise between oxygen
producers and oxygen consumers with a much
more elegant solution than the resulting world-
wide catastrophe of unimaginable proportions
which took place).

This is of crucial importance to us, because
one day in the not too distant future we too
will face a similar world-wide catastrophe
caused by our reproductive success. And,
frankly, God will not help us then any more
than He did those original oxygen producers
(as we are the product of evolution, NOT of
God):

Humanity will collapse (die in droves) in one
monstrous catastrophe. And then (hopefully)
evolve some more successful compromise with
its environment. And those who believe so
sweetly that we will use our brains to save
ourselves from the coming catastrophe ... had
better study again the story of Easter Island
to know what is coming. As I said, hopefully:

Blind, unforgiving, grimly mindless evolution will
save us from ourselves (from all our best plans,
which would otherwise kill us all, to the last one),
and those few hardy souls who can survive on
garbage & corpse marrow (or whatever other crap
with which we will have pulluted this little planet
to death) will "hopefully" create the next great
flowering of intelligent life which will arise on this
planet (hopefully), until it destroys itself again (to
the benefit of the next flowering of life).

And, if you just don't see that this marvelous
catastrophe is coming... well, that's because you're
using your blundering brain, that's all: It's all part
of evolution's apparently quite infallible system!

See!

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

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On Jul 18, 6:30 am, sdr
wrote:

Proof Of Evolution.

On Jul 15, 2:36 am, Pastor Dave
wrote to someone:

You have given zero proof of macroevolution
and that is what you need to prove and can't.
Bugs staying bugs does not equal "goo to you".
Nor does falsely labeling me do anything but
prove your true intent. Pastor Dave

Everything that exists is an evolution.
from ideas to creatures to rocks to atoms and
stars: Everything without a single exception.

This is how it is possible to KNOW that any
and all proposals which exclude the evolutionary
process from ANYTHING is self-evident proof
in-and-of-itself that such a proposal is flawed
AND therefore partly or entirely wrong.

Existence is absolutely deterministic. Otherwise
physical impossibilities become not only possible
but almost inevitable. We become a realm of magic!

I know that theists believe in nothing BUT magic.
And that therefore reason and logic, even the most
obvious and self-evident proofs & facts are of no
use to counter their mental illness (for it is not
unlike a madness, this unreasonable conviction
that deists have that existence is everywhere awash
in evidence of magic all around us). This sickness
even permeates into science and retards/thwarts it.

The classical historical example is when Galileo
showed his telescope to the Pope. Dogma said that
the heavens were perfect and only the earth was
corrupt... and that because we were God's special
creation the universe circled the earth:

IF but looking upon the truth were enough to
convince one of its rightness, surely the Pope would
be instantly convinced when he looked through his
telescope and saw the pox-faced Moon... and all
sorts of heavenly bodies circling NOT the earth but
Jupiter and other mere planets!

But, the Pope looked, and the Pope saw, and the
Pope had to admit to Galileo that he was seeing what
he was seeing. And then, as we all know, the Pope
showed Galileo the instruments of torture which he
threatened to use on him if he did not publicly say
that it was Dogma that was true and NOT what their
eyes were seeing.

It is a social sickness, a mental illness from which
human beings suffer no end.

But I will persist, none-the-less, and mention in
passing the evolution of pathogens which is killing
a whole lot of atheists and theists alike: By the
simplest laws of Darwinian adaptation of the fittest
pathogens which used to kill us in great numbers
were "conquered" by our discovery of antibiotics.

We literally "flushed" the deadly pathogens from
our system and kept them out by a great flood of
antibiotics... forgetting that evolution and not God
or even all our human efforts is what rules the
universe.

Well, we DID kill most of the deadly pathogens, but
the survivors "adapted" to the new environment of
antibiotics. And now the "evolved" pathogens are
returning the state of affairs to the way it used to
be before our discovery of antibiotics--With an
ironic
twist: because the newly evolved pathogens actually
thrive in a body flushed with antibiotics, giving
those antibiotics to people sickened with such
pathogens actually makes things worst than were
they not given any antibiotics at all! (We can still
invent newer antibiotics, of course, but evolution
will ensure that the matter will always rest where
it
has always rested: in a never-ending arms-race
between living organisms to see which wins the
reproduction race. I have my money on the worst
bugs, whether that turn out to be they or us.)

Ignore the truth of evolution at your own peril.

In the case of H.I.V. research, there was also a
curious instance in which evolution can be seen
playing a quite dramatic role:

Researchers were able to kill off a large percentage
of the AIDS virus (it doesn't matter which for this
example) with a heavy concoction of drugs, and
patients seemed to thrive. But then they began to
sicken again. Stubborn as people are, and doctors
are people too, they persisted on the regimen of
drugs being administered. With sad consequences.

Then some patients decided, on their own, to stop
taking the cocktail of drugs; and actually improved
without any drugs. But it was not magic, it was
evolution at work:

The original viruses were killed (suppressed) by the
cocktail of drugs... leaving only those viruses best
"adapted" to an environment flushed with the drugs
cocktail to "reproduce." Then, when the drugs were
removed, those viruses "best adapted" to live in an
environment without the drugs "replaced" the newly-
evolved viruses. And we go back to the same old
arms-race that evolution has unleashed upon this
earth since its beginnings, worlds without end.

But don't despair: Life is impossible without death.
It may be a great tragedy to the individual, but
death ensures that every generation of creatures is
the best adapted to survive in whatever existence
this planet offers--Something which is completely
unpredictable: Therefore, were it the case that life
depended on some well-thought-out plan, instead of
on blind evolution, I simply cannot imagine how on
earth life might have avoided some catastrophically
stupid blunder long before now and killed itself...
rather than waiting for something to kill it (as it
now does with simply stunning success). [sic.]

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

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On Jul 23, 10:35 am, cor
wrote:

Fossils do not exist. They are simply geological
artifacts. All life was created by God in an already
perfect condition. That is final.

That's what my grandmother used to tell me too!

She'd swear at me [sic] that for as long as she'd
been observing this: a mule always gave birth to
another mule, a cat always gave birth to another
cat, and a dog always gave birth to another dog.

So, naturally, I'd take advantage of her certainty and
whenever she complained about my stubbornness or
whatever other misbehavior/shortcoming of mine...
I'd point out how it was she who had given birth to
my mother, who then had given birth to me! That
"certainly" fixed her but good (didn't shut her up,
just fixed her).

Of course, what I always failed to appreciate was
how little my own almost nonexistent sense of
forgiveness and love of violence had evolved away
from the old bag's. So it was always a great saving
grace that I was young and spry and she was old
and ... not nearly as spy. (And had no memory past
a couple of hours, of course.)

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

schrieb:


There is NO SINGLE THING in existence
which is not an evolution of previous things.

Just ... please don't throw in things which DO NOT
EXIST (like God, angels, Satan, Santa, pixies,
fairies, or leprechauns, etc.).

.... or "Garden of Eden" configurations in Conways
Game of Life. See for example
http://www.uni-bielefeld.de/~achim/gol.html

Universal greetings
Rainer Rosenthal