Proof Of Evolution.

Proof Of Evolution.

On Jul 15, 2:36 am, Pastor Dave
wrote to someone:

You have given zero proof of macroevolution
and that is what you need to prove and can't.
Bugs staying bugs does not equal "goo to you".
Nor does falsely labeling me do anything but
prove your true intent. Pastor Dave

Everything that exists is an evolution.
From ideas to creatures to rocks to atoms and
stars: Everything without a single exception.

This is how it is possible to KNOW that any
and all proposals which exclude the evolutionary
process from ANYTHING is self-evident proof
in-and-of-itself that such a proposal is flawed
AND therefore partly or entirely wrong.

Existence is absolutely deterministic. Otherwise
physical impossibilities become not only possible
but almost inevitable. We become a realm of magic!

I know that theists believe in nothing BUT magic.
And that therefore reason and logic, even the most
obvious and self-evident proofs & facts are of no
use to counter their mental illness (for it is not
unlike a madness, this unreasonable conviction
that deists have that existence is everywhere awash
in evidence of magic all around us). This sickness
even permeates into science and retards/thwarts it.

The classical historical example is when Galileo
showed his telescope to the Pope. Dogma said that
the heavens were perfect and only the earth was
corrupt... and that because we were God's special
creation the universe circled the earth:

IF but looking upon the truth were enough to
convince one of its rightness, surely the Pope would
be instantly convinced when he looked through his
telescope and saw the pox-faced Moon... and all
sorts of heavenly bodies circling NOT the earth but
Jupiter and other mere planets!

But, the Pope looked, and the Pope saw, and the
Pope had to admit to Galileo that he was seeing what
he was seeing. And then, as we all know, the Pope
showed Galileo the instruments of torture which he
threatened to use on him if he did not publicly say
that it was Dogma that was true and NOT what their
eyes were seeing.

It is a social sickness, a mental illness from which
human beings suffer no end.

But I will persist, none-the-less, and mention in
passing the evolution of pathogens which is killing
a whole lot of atheists and theists alike: By the
simplest laws of Darwinian adaptation of the fittest
pathogens which used to kill us in great numbers
were "conquered" by our discovery of antibiotics.

We literally "flushed" the deadly pathogens from
our system and kept them out by a great flood of
antibiotics... forgetting that evolution and not God
or even all our human efforts is what rules the
universe.

Well, we DID kill most of the deadly pathogens, but
the survivors "adapted" to the new environment of
antibiotics. And now the "evolved" pathogens are
returning the state of affairs to the way it used to
be before our discovery of antibiotics--With an ironic
twist: because the newly evolved pathogens actually
thrive in a body flushed with antibiotics, giving
those antibiotics to people sickened with such
pathogens actually makes things worst than were
they not given any antibiotics at all! (We can still
invent newer antibiotics, of course, but evolution
will ensure that the matter will always rest where it
has always rested: in a never-ending arms-race
between living organisms to see which wins the
reproduction race. I have my money on the worst
bugs, whether that turn out to be they or us.)

Ignore the truth of evolution at your own peril.

In the case of H.I.V. research, there was also a
curious instance in which evolution can be seen
playing a quite dramatic role:

Researchers were able to kill off a large percentage
of the AIDS virus (it doesn't matter which for this
example) with a heavy concoction of drugs, and
patients seemed to thrive. But then they began to
sicken again. Stubborn as people are, and doctors
are people too, they persisted on the regimen of
drugs being administered. With sad consequences.

Then some patients decided, on their own, to stop
taking the cocktail of drugs; and actually improved
without any drugs. But it was not magic, it was
evolution at work:

The original viruses were killed (suppressed) by the
cocktail of drugs... leaving only those viruses best
"adapted" to an environment flushed with the drugs
cocktail to "reproduce." Then, when the drugs were
removed, those viruses "best adapted" to live in an
environment without the drugs "replaced" the newly-
evolved viruses. And we go back to the same old
arms-race that evolution has unleashed upon this
earth since its beginnings, worlds without end.

But don't despair: Life is impossible without death.
It may be a great tragedy to the individual, but
death ensures that every generation of creatures is
the best adapted to survive in whatever existence
this planet offers--Something which is completely
unpredictable: Therefore, were it the case that life
depended on some well-thought-out plan, instead of
on blind evolution, I simply cannot imagine how on
earth life might have avoided some catastrophically
stupid blunder long before now and killed itself...
rather than waiting for something to kill it (as it
now does with simply stunning success). [sic.]

S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com

All religions are local.
Only science is universal.

When will people realize that science and religion are orthogonal, not
incompatible?

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:06:40 GMT, "Karl Uppiano"
wrote:

When will people realize that science and religion are orthogonal, not
incompatible?

They are compatible as truth and lie.
You guess which one is what.


w.

"sdr" wrote in message
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Proof Of Evolution.

On Jul 15, 2:36 am, Pastor Dave
wrote to someone:

You have given zero proof of macroevolution
and that is what you need to prove and can't.
Bugs staying bugs does not equal "goo to you".
Nor does falsely labeling me do anything but
prove your true intent. Pastor Dave

OK, Pastor Dave, here's my view:
In the beginning, there was nothing.
Then god created himself and he/she/it saw that it was good.
Next god created the Earth and he saw that it was good and that he/she/it
would populate it.
God then created all the other heavenly bodies and made them to revolve
around the Earth.
Next god made Adam and Eve, a talking snake and planted an apple tree.
He saw that Adam and Eve were multiplying like bunnies (not yet created) and
he made the Earth flat, so that the surplus offspring would fall off the
edge, thus controlling the population growth.
God saw that there was harmony among the newly created humans and he saw
that was not good. So he made them of different colors, so that they would
hate and kill each other in his/her/its name.
The talking snake saw all this and knew it was bad. It said "**** this" and
it slithered off into the as yet not created bushes.
God then begat some chick named Mary and the offspring, named jebus, fished
and loafed a lot and was nailed up high onto a cross, so that he could have
a better view if the Islamites on the other side of the Valley of Death.
The apple finally fell from the apple tree and Isaac Newton caught it just
before it hit the ground and thus discovered gravy. Shortly thereafter
Einstein invented the Speed of Light, which to this day has not been broken.

And that's how it all happened.

"Hagar" wrote in message
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"sdr" wrote in message
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Proof Of Evolution.

On Jul 15, 2:36 am, Pastor Dave
wrote to someone:

You have given zero proof of macroevolution
and that is what you need to prove and can't.
Bugs staying bugs does not equal "goo to you".
Nor does falsely labeling me do anything but
prove your true intent. Pastor Dave

OK, Pastor Dave, here's my view:
In the beginning, there was nothing.
Then god created himself and he/she/it saw that it was good.
Next god created the Earth and he saw that it was good and that he/she/it
would populate it.
God then created all the other heavenly bodies and made them to revolve
around the Earth.
Next god made Adam and Eve, a talking snake and planted an apple tree.
He saw that Adam and Eve were multiplying like bunnies (not yet created)
and
he made the Earth flat, so that the surplus offspring would fall off the
edge, thus controlling the population growth.
God saw that there was harmony among the newly created humans and he saw
that was not good. So he made them of different colors, so that they
would
hate and kill each other in his/her/its name.
The talking snake saw all this and knew it was bad. It said "**** this"
and
it slithered off into the as yet not created bushes.

Then bushes came along and Art Deco hid in them to snag victims.

HJ

"H. Wabnig" .... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- - wrote in
message ...
: On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:06:40 GMT, "Karl Uppiano"
: wrote:
:
: When will people realize that science and religion are orthogonal, not
: incompatible?
:
: They are compatible as truth and lie.
: You guess which one is what.
:
:
: w.

Christianity is built on deceit from the first page of its text..
Proof of this is undeniable as...
Every winter when the days shorten, the waters, lakes, Oceans returns to its
natural state, and if there was no light at all it would be found to be a
solid body of ICE rather than what we could describe as the waters of the
deep...

Lets us now turn to page ONE of the book full of holes Err~ the Holy Bible
where Genesis begins with how some shiesta is claiming it is shimming over
the waters of the deep and to THEN create light... BANG! That's what deceit
is!

Ok lets turn the pages to read on the plight of Noah and his incestrious
family, and pay attention here with respects to how many different races are
on the Planet today! Can you still claim evolution is null and void?

The evidence is clear! Or are the advocates to the book full of Holes as in
Holy going to now claim Noah and his family must have all been Aboriginal
African Asian Anglo-Saxons! ROTFLOL Oh Mercy!

Cheers All.

--


Pete.
________________________________________
May the Universe return
100 Fold of your output.

"Laidback" wrote in message
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: "H. Wabnig" .... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- - wrote in
: message ...
:: On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:06:40 GMT, "Karl Uppiano"
:: wrote:
::
:: When will people realize that science and religion are orthogonal, not
:: incompatible?
::
:: They are compatible as truth and lie.
:: You guess which one is what.
::
::
:: w.
:
: Christianity is built on deceit from the first page of its text..
: Proof of this is undeniable as...
: Every winter when the days shorten, the waters, lakes, Oceans returns to
its
: natural state, and if there was no light at all it would be found to be a
: solid body of ICE rather than what we could describe as the waters of the
: deep...
:
: Lets us now turn to page ONE of the book full of holes Err~ the Holy Bible
: where Genesis begins with how some shiesta is claiming it is shimming over
: the waters of the deep and to THEN create light... BANG! That's what
deceit
: is!

"In the beginning" ... presumptive, what beginning?
"God created" ... presumptive; assumes there was a creation and a creator.
"the heavens and the Earth" -- ok, they do exist.
"And the Earth was without form, and void, and darkness was on the face of
the deep."
That's back-arsewards.
It is clearly the heavens that are without form, mostly void, infinitely
deep
and very dark.
The Earth definitely has form, it's a ball.

'Nuff said.




: Ok lets turn the pages to read on the plight of Noah and his incestrious
: family, and pay attention here with respects to how many different races
are
: on the Planet today! Can you still claim evolution is null and void?
:
: The evidence is clear! Or are the advocates to the book full of Holes as
in
: Holy going to now claim Noah and his family must have all been Aboriginal
: African Asian Anglo-Saxons! ROTFLOL Oh Mercy!
:
: Cheers All.
:
: --
:
:
: Pete.
: ________________________________________
: May the Universe return
: 100 Fold of your output.
:
:

"H. Wabnig" .... .-- .- -... -. .. --. @ .- --- -. DOT .- - wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:06:40 GMT, "Karl Uppiano"
wrote:

When will people realize that science and religion are orthogonal, not
incompatible?

They are compatible as truth and lie.
You guess which one is what.

People who try to get scientific information from religion will be
disappointed and confused. People who try to get the meaning of life from
science will be disappointed and confused.

Aesop's fables are fictional, but that does not mean they have no message
and no truth.

On Jul 17, 7:06 pm, "Karl Uppiano" wrote:
When will people realize that science and religion are orthogonal, not
incompatible?

Do they form a basis set for reality?