Burgess 127?

I have seen a couple of these Burgess 127 mm F-8 Achromats on Astromart.
The owners rave about the lack of color.
Has anyone out there used this
scope?

I have been waiting for almost a year for the Burgess Optical 102mm F6 scope
and have been following the Burgess Optical forum on Astromart.

This is my take:


(I suggest reading the astromart forum for Burgess Optical. It is essentially
open and unmoderated.)

Nobody is claiming color free performance. Some people were hoping for such a
miracle but these are just decent quality scopes, a cut above the Synta scopes
mechanically and optically they are collimated and adjusted.

Consider this: If these scopes were color free or had significantly less color
than other similar scopes, people wouldn't be selling them for $300.

Statements like "minimal color" are just nice ways of saying that the scope is
not color free, that there is observable false color.

Part of the mystic of the scopes being color free came when the original
prototypes of the 102F6 showed less color than expected. Then it was
discovered that one of the baffles was reducing the effective aperture to
around 80mm so that rather than being an 102mm F6 scope it was actually an 8mm
F7.5 scope with the reduced color as expected.

These scopes just recently were shipped, the first ones were shipped sometime
in November I believe. These were the first ones and went to customers on a
waiting list.

Given that over 100 scopes were shipped in the last month or so, 5 or 6 showing
up on astromart seems normal. I do believe at least one of the sellers had
unrealistic expectations for the scope as evidenced by his statements in the
forum. Some probably are probably selling their scopes because their have
changed since they order them in March.

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion 100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon

I have seen a couple of these Burgess 127 mm F-8 Achromats on Astromart.
The owners rave about the lack of color.
Has anyone out there used this
scope?

I have been waiting for almost a year for the Burgess Optical 102mm F6 scope
and have been following the Burgess Optical forum on Astromart.

This is my take:


(I suggest reading the astromart forum for Burgess Optical. It is essentially
open and unmoderated.)

Nobody is claiming color free performance. Some people were hoping for such a
miracle but these are just decent quality scopes, a cut above the Synta scopes
mechanically and optically they are collimated and adjusted.

Consider this: If these scopes were color free or had significantly less color
than other similar scopes, people wouldn't be selling them for $300.

Statements like "minimal color" are just nice ways of saying that the scope is
not color free, that there is observable false color.

Part of the mystic of the scopes being color free came when the original
prototypes of the 102F6 showed less color than expected. Then it was
discovered that one of the baffles was reducing the effective aperture to
around 80mm so that rather than being an 102mm F6 scope it was actually an 8mm
F7.5 scope with the reduced color as expected.

These scopes just recently were shipped, the first ones were shipped sometime
in November I believe. These were the first ones and went to customers on a
waiting list.

Given that over 100 scopes were shipped in the last month or so, 5 or 6 showing
up on astromart seems normal. I do believe at least one of the sellers had
unrealistic expectations for the scope as evidenced by his statements in the
forum. Some probably are probably selling their scopes because their have
changed since they order them in March.

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion 100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon

I have seen a couple of these Burgess 127 mm F-8 Achromats on Astromart.
The owners rave about the lack of color.
Has anyone out there used this
scope?

I have been waiting for almost a year for the Burgess Optical 102mm F6 scope
and have been following the Burgess Optical forum on Astromart.

This is my take:


(I suggest reading the astromart forum for Burgess Optical. It is essentially
open and unmoderated.)

Nobody is claiming color free performance. Some people were hoping for such a
miracle but these are just decent quality scopes, a cut above the Synta scopes
mechanically and optically they are collimated and adjusted.

Consider this: If these scopes were color free or had significantly less color
than other similar scopes, people wouldn't be selling them for $300.

Statements like "minimal color" are just nice ways of saying that the scope is
not color free, that there is observable false color.

Part of the mystic of the scopes being color free came when the original
prototypes of the 102F6 showed less color than expected. Then it was
discovered that one of the baffles was reducing the effective aperture to
around 80mm so that rather than being an 102mm F6 scope it was actually an 8mm
F7.5 scope with the reduced color as expected.

These scopes just recently were shipped, the first ones were shipped sometime
in November I believe. These were the first ones and went to customers on a
waiting list.

Given that over 100 scopes were shipped in the last month or so, 5 or 6 showing
up on astromart seems normal. I do believe at least one of the sellers had
unrealistic expectations for the scope as evidenced by his statements in the
forum. Some probably are probably selling their scopes because their have
changed since they order them in March.

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion 100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion
100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my
expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon



Hi Jon:

Your "take" is pretty accurate. I had a chance to use the scope at the
Tennessee Star Party this past fall. Well-made, great price, pleasing images. I
ain't exactly a refractor kind of guy, but it looked like it could be a lot of
fun for the money.

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of _Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope_
Like SCTs and MCTs?
Check-out sct-user, the mailing list for CAT fanciers!
Goto http://members.aol.com/RMOLLISE/index.html

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion
100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my
expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon



Hi Jon:

Your "take" is pretty accurate. I had a chance to use the scope at the
Tennessee Star Party this past fall. Well-made, great price, pleasing images. I
ain't exactly a refractor kind of guy, but it looked like it could be a lot of
fun for the money.

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of _Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope_
Like SCTs and MCTs?
Check-out sct-user, the mailing list for CAT fanciers!
Goto http://members.aol.com/RMOLLISE/index.html

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion
100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my
expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon



Hi Jon:

Your "take" is pretty accurate. I had a chance to use the scope at the
Tennessee Star Party this past fall. Well-made, great price, pleasing images. I
ain't exactly a refractor kind of guy, but it looked like it could be a lot of
fun for the money.

Peace,
Rod Mollise
Author of _Choosing and Using a Schmidt Cassegrain Telescope_
Like SCTs and MCTs?
Check-out sct-user, the mailing list for CAT fanciers!
Goto http://members.aol.com/RMOLLISE/index.html

(Jon Isaacs) wrote in message ...
I have seen a couple of these Burgess 127 mm F-8 Achromats on Astromart.
The owners rave about the lack of color.
Has anyone out there used this
scope?

I have been waiting for almost a year for the Burgess Optical 102mm F6 scope
and have been following the Burgess Optical forum on Astromart.

This is my take:


(I suggest reading the astromart forum for Burgess Optical. It is essentially
open and unmoderated.)

Nobody is claiming color free performance. Some people were hoping for such a
miracle but these are just decent quality scopes, a cut above the Synta scopes
mechanically and optically they are collimated and adjusted.

Consider this: If these scopes were color free or had significantly less color
than other similar scopes, people wouldn't be selling them for $300.

Statements like "minimal color" are just nice ways of saying that the scope is
not color free, that there is observable false color.

Part of the mystic of the scopes being color free came when the original
prototypes of the 102F6 showed less color than expected. Then it was
discovered that one of the baffles was reducing the effective aperture to
around 80mm so that rather than being an 102mm F6 scope it was actually an 8mm
F7.5 scope with the reduced color as expected.

These scopes just recently were shipped, the first ones were shipped sometime
in November I believe. These were the first ones and went to customers on a
waiting list.

Given that over 100 scopes were shipped in the last month or so, 5 or 6 showing
up on astromart seems normal. I do believe at least one of the sellers had
unrealistic expectations for the scope as evidenced by his statements in the
forum. Some probably are probably selling their scopes because their have
changed since they order them in March.

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion 100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon

Do you like, Jon, expand your expectations? If yes, read this
message from
Bill Burgess:

"Burgess Optical will be at NEAF. We have very big plans for
this year and will be renting an entire row. If you come and have
nothing to do
please stop by, I will need all the help I can get. In cooperation
with my
suppliers we will be GIVING away
over 100 items. Entire sets of ALL the new eyepieces, binoviewers,
diagonals,
binoculars, telescopes etc. We will also be debuting our new
observatory
series of
giant telescopes. ( 9" refractor, 11" Mak Cass and 16" Mak Cass)

BTW we started shipping the 1026 TODAY

Thanks,
Bill
Burgess Optical
865-769-8777
"



More and more grandiose promises Bill strewing to the right and on the
left, upwards and downwards, gush forth!
Quite impressive! And I shoud note, that these 1026 are crippled with
promises
to fix or upgrade them somewhere in future. Of course, after
delivering these
new 9" APO, 11" and 16" Mak-cass.


LOLT!


V.D.

(Jon Isaacs) wrote in message ...
I have seen a couple of these Burgess 127 mm F-8 Achromats on Astromart.
The owners rave about the lack of color.
Has anyone out there used this
scope?

I have been waiting for almost a year for the Burgess Optical 102mm F6 scope
and have been following the Burgess Optical forum on Astromart.

This is my take:


(I suggest reading the astromart forum for Burgess Optical. It is essentially
open and unmoderated.)

Nobody is claiming color free performance. Some people were hoping for such a
miracle but these are just decent quality scopes, a cut above the Synta scopes
mechanically and optically they are collimated and adjusted.

Consider this: If these scopes were color free or had significantly less color
than other similar scopes, people wouldn't be selling them for $300.

Statements like "minimal color" are just nice ways of saying that the scope is
not color free, that there is observable false color.

Part of the mystic of the scopes being color free came when the original
prototypes of the 102F6 showed less color than expected. Then it was
discovered that one of the baffles was reducing the effective aperture to
around 80mm so that rather than being an 102mm F6 scope it was actually an 8mm
F7.5 scope with the reduced color as expected.

These scopes just recently were shipped, the first ones were shipped sometime
in November I believe. These were the first ones and went to customers on a
waiting list.

Given that over 100 scopes were shipped in the last month or so, 5 or 6 showing
up on astromart seems normal. I do believe at least one of the sellers had
unrealistic expectations for the scope as evidenced by his statements in the
forum. Some probably are probably selling their scopes because their have
changed since they order them in March.

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion 100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon

Do you like, Jon, expand your expectations? If yes, read this
message from
Bill Burgess:

"Burgess Optical will be at NEAF. We have very big plans for
this year and will be renting an entire row. If you come and have
nothing to do
please stop by, I will need all the help I can get. In cooperation
with my
suppliers we will be GIVING away
over 100 items. Entire sets of ALL the new eyepieces, binoviewers,
diagonals,
binoculars, telescopes etc. We will also be debuting our new
observatory
series of
giant telescopes. ( 9" refractor, 11" Mak Cass and 16" Mak Cass)

BTW we started shipping the 1026 TODAY

Thanks,
Bill
Burgess Optical
865-769-8777
"



More and more grandiose promises Bill strewing to the right and on the
left, upwards and downwards, gush forth!
Quite impressive! And I shoud note, that these 1026 are crippled with
promises
to fix or upgrade them somewhere in future. Of course, after
delivering these
new 9" APO, 11" and 16" Mak-cass.


LOLT!


V.D.

(Jon Isaacs) wrote in message ...
I have seen a couple of these Burgess 127 mm F-8 Achromats on Astromart.
The owners rave about the lack of color.
Has anyone out there used this
scope?

I have been waiting for almost a year for the Burgess Optical 102mm F6 scope
and have been following the Burgess Optical forum on Astromart.

This is my take:


(I suggest reading the astromart forum for Burgess Optical. It is essentially
open and unmoderated.)

Nobody is claiming color free performance. Some people were hoping for such a
miracle but these are just decent quality scopes, a cut above the Synta scopes
mechanically and optically they are collimated and adjusted.

Consider this: If these scopes were color free or had significantly less color
than other similar scopes, people wouldn't be selling them for $300.

Statements like "minimal color" are just nice ways of saying that the scope is
not color free, that there is observable false color.

Part of the mystic of the scopes being color free came when the original
prototypes of the 102F6 showed less color than expected. Then it was
discovered that one of the baffles was reducing the effective aperture to
around 80mm so that rather than being an 102mm F6 scope it was actually an 8mm
F7.5 scope with the reduced color as expected.

These scopes just recently were shipped, the first ones were shipped sometime
in November I believe. These were the first ones and went to customers on a
waiting list.

Given that over 100 scopes were shipped in the last month or so, 5 or 6 showing
up on astromart seems normal. I do believe at least one of the sellers had
unrealistic expectations for the scope as evidenced by his statements in the
forum. Some probably are probably selling their scopes because their have
changed since they order them in March.

For me, I am expecting a scope that is nicer mechanically than the Orion 100mm
F6 scope and has a good quality achromatic objective. I think my expectations
are realistic, no miracles here, just a decent scope at a nice price after a
long wait.

Thats my take....

jon

Do you like, Jon, expand your expectations? If yes, read this
message from
Bill Burgess:

"Burgess Optical will be at NEAF. We have very big plans for
this year and will be renting an entire row. If you come and have
nothing to do
please stop by, I will need all the help I can get. In cooperation
with my
suppliers we will be GIVING away
over 100 items. Entire sets of ALL the new eyepieces, binoviewers,
diagonals,
binoculars, telescopes etc. We will also be debuting our new
observatory
series of
giant telescopes. ( 9" refractor, 11" Mak Cass and 16" Mak Cass)

BTW we started shipping the 1026 TODAY

Thanks,
Bill
Burgess Optical
865-769-8777
"



More and more grandiose promises Bill strewing to the right and on the
left, upwards and downwards, gush forth!
Quite impressive! And I shoud note, that these 1026 are crippled with
promises
to fix or upgrade them somewhere in future. Of course, after
delivering these
new 9" APO, 11" and 16" Mak-cass.


LOLT!


V.D.

Do you like, Jon, expand your expectations? If yes, read this
message from
Bill Burgess:

Right now, the wait has been so long that I don't I actually expect the 102F6
to ever arrive. When that happens, if it happens, I may expand my
expectations... g

jon