Experimental Car-Plane Crashes - Five Brilliant Americans DarwinedOut

"Einar" wrote in message ...
On Jan 27, 9:03 am, "WG" wrote:
"After all is said and done - there's nothing more to say or do" wrote in ...
On Jan 27, 12:11�am, kT wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/26/airstrip.car.crash/

American technological leadership suffers yet another great loss.

...I will pray for them ...

What an odd thing to do after they are already dead!
Why not pray that these accidents don't happen to begin with.
OOps!! I know the answer... it wont work.

In the history of mankind, nothing has a bigger failure rate than prayer.

Hmm, the idea behind prayer is to aid theyr souls, so they´ll be more
inclined to seek admittance to heaven.

An evil sinner is an evil sinner. Why would you expect a recomendation from a mere mortal should or would influence Gods decision? Is God confused about who is naughty or nice?

I wonder how you measure 'failure rate'

Scientific method is the only way we mortals can falsify claims like this.
, and there has never been any evidence of prayer giving a higher sucess rate on anything, and there have been studies. A few years back there was a study that suggested prayer helped those who were seriously ill, but all attempts to reproduce those results failed. [Larger and more stringent studies].

Now, really how can you
know that anyone failed to find heaven

I agree here. This is beyond science and knowing. Blind faith has to be invoked here.

, or for that prayer has the
highest failure rate of all

See follow up Joke..

There was this young couple on vacation in Jerusalem. One day they visited the wailing wall. {This is a real wall where the religious come to pray}. They saw this old man in his 80s kneeling and praying. After he finished they asked him how long he had been praying here.
He replied over 70 years and never missed a day.
They then asked what he was praying for.
He replied. Good will towards man, and an end to war, hunger, disease, crime and mans inhumanity to man.
They asked how it has been working for him.

He replied:
Its like talking to a f*cking wall!!!

On 27 Jan 2008, WG wrote:

There was this young couple on vacation in Jerusalem. One day they
visited the wailing wall. {This is a real wall where the religious come
to pray}. They saw this old man in his 80s kneeling and praying. After
he finished they asked him how long he had been praying here. He replied
over 70 years and never missed a day. They then asked what he was
praying for. He replied. Good will towards man, and an end to war,
hunger, disease, crime and mans inhumanity to man. They asked how it has
been working for him.

He replied:
Its like talking to a f*cking wall!!!

Har. Dugg.

On Jan 27, 8:59 am, Einar wrote:
On Jan 27, 2:22 am, "What Me Worry?" wrote:



wrote in message

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In sci.physics kT wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/26/airstrip.car.crash/

American technological leadership suffers yet another great loss.

Since what actually "crashed" was a BMW full of teenagers...

Contrary to common belief, not all BMW drivers are idiots; but any teenager
driving a 2008 BMW is probably a disaster waiting to happen. This is not to
say that BMW's aren't capable, safe and forgiving. They are. It's just that
when they break loose, they often do so at a ridiculous velocity, with very
little warning.

My sympathy goes out to the parents and friends of these teenagers.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/26/airstrip.car.crash/

Clearly these kids must have been driving the car at very unsafe
speed. It goes off the end of the runaway and then simply
dinsintegrates.

BMWs are strongly made cars, so the velocity of that particular
example must have been quite considerable to cause it to come apart.

Clearly the kid under the wheel must have been showing off how fast
the care is, and not payd sufficient attention to brake in time.

Yeah, second your whishes of sympathy.

Einar

The article also stated that the "accident" occurred at 3:45 on a
Saturday morning (*late* on a Friday night). Given that all 5
occupants of the vehicle were males under 21, would anybody here like
to place a wager that all five were sober? That any single one of
them was sober (0.02 in Florida for drivers under 21)? That anybody
even had a blood alcohol that was below the legal limit for adults
(0.08)?

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

On Jan 28, 2:41 am, tadchem wrote:
On Jan 27, 8:59 am, Einar wrote:



On Jan 27, 2:22 am, "What Me Worry?" wrote:

wrote in message

...

In sci.physics kT wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/26/airstrip.car.crash/

American technological leadership suffers yet another great loss.

Since what actually "crashed" was a BMW full of teenagers...

Contrary to common belief, not all BMW drivers are idiots; but any teenager
driving a 2008 BMW is probably a disaster waiting to happen. This is not to
say that BMW's aren't capable, safe and forgiving. They are. It's just that
when they break loose, they often do so at a ridiculous velocity, with very
little warning.

My sympathy goes out to the parents and friends of these teenagers.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/26/airstrip.car.crash/

Clearly these kids must have been driving the car at very unsafe
speed. It goes off the end of the runaway and then simply
dinsintegrates.

BMWs are strongly made cars, so the velocity of that particular
example must have been quite considerable to cause it to come apart.

Clearly the kid under the wheel must have been showing off how fast
the care is, and not payd sufficient attention to brake in time.

Yeah, second your whishes of sympathy.

Einar

The article also stated that the "accident" occurred at 3:45 on a
Saturday morning (*late* on a Friday night). Given that all 5
occupants of the vehicle were males under 21, would anybody here like
to place a wager that all five were sober? That any single one of
them was sober (0.02 in Florida for drivers under 21)? That anybody
even had a blood alcohol that was below the legal limit for adults
(0.08)?

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

There is litle point in speculating about that. Sounds likely though.

Einar

On Jan 27, 1:11*am, kT wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/26/airstrip.car.crash/

American technological leadership suffers yet another great loss.

Candidates for the Darwin Award.

I always thought that prayer was most beneficial to the person saying
the prayer.

On Jan 26, 10:11 pm, kT wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/26/airstrip.car.crash/

American technological leadership suffers yet another great loss.

You can't tell me that some of our best educated Americans are not
getting dumb and dumber, as all the time there's proof positive that
I'm more often right than not.
- Brad Guth

On Jan 27, 8:52 am, Einar wrote:

In the history of mankind, nothing has a bigger failure rate than prayer..

Hmm, the idea behind prayer is to aid theyr souls, so they´ll be more
inclined to seek admittance to heaven.

Hmmm. I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall when the driver of this
car applies to St. Peter for admission to the Pearly Gates!
Clearly some fast talk and help from others is going to be needed! My
guess is that although Peter isn't an "evolutionist" I'll bet winning
a "Darwin" award gets him fingering the lever to the trapdoor down!

I wonder how you measure 'failure rate' Now, really how can you
know that anyone failed to find heaven , or for that prayer has the
highest failure rate of all

Actually a lot more is known about "prayer" than WG implies. "WG"
obviously has a political agenda here and therefore is trying to
"debunk" anything remotely related to what is perceived as religion
(other than atheism, of course).

The truth is that prayer and ALL mental effects (such as the Placebo
effect) have been studied quite a bit and some broad outlines of the
actions have been studied. WG is clearly more into atheism than
science. Science examines data and draws conclusions. Dogma just does
"proof by assertion".

On Jan 28, 4:38 pm, Benj wrote:
On Jan 27, 8:52 am, Einar wrote:

In the history of mankind, nothing has a bigger failure rate than prayer.

Hmm, the idea behind prayer is to aid theyr souls, so they´ll be more
inclined to seek admittance to heaven.

Hmmm. I'd sure like to be a fly on the wall when the driver of this
car applies to St. Peter for admission to the Pearly Gates!
Clearly some fast talk and help from others is going to be needed! My
guess is that although Peter isn't an "evolutionist" I'll bet winning
a "Darwin" award gets him fingering the lever to the trapdoor down!

I wonder how you measure 'failure rate' Now, really how can you
know that anyone failed to find heaven , or for that prayer has the
highest failure rate of all

Actually a lot more is known about "prayer" than WG implies. "WG"
obviously has a political agenda here and therefore is trying to
"debunk" anything remotely related to what is perceived as religion
(other than atheism, of course).

The truth is that prayer and ALL mental effects (such as the Placebo
effect) have been studied quite a bit and some broad outlines of the
actions have been studied. WG is clearly more into atheism than
science. Science examines data and draws conclusions. Dogma just does
"proof by assertion".

I wonder if you are familiar with Jewish believes on afterlife. Just
read the OT, but it´s clear that they believe that death means lying
in the grave, cold. But that on the day of judgement those who
believed in him are chosen to live again and then forever. So, the
alternative is to continue to be dead.

They apparently likened death to sleep:

Spalm 7:5 "then let my enemy pursue and overtake me;let him trample my
life to the ground and make me sleep in the dust."
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Jeremiah 51:" The punishement of Babylon is sleep/death:"

37 Babylon will be a heap of ruins,
a haunt of jackals,
an object of horror and scorn,
a place where no one lives.

38 Her people all roar like young lions,
they growl like lion cubs.

39 But while they are aroused,
I will set out a feast for them
and make them drunk,
so that they shout with laughter--
then sleep forever and not awake,"
declares the LORD. "
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Daniel 12 - his reward is to be resurrected on the day of judgement,
but untill then he would sleep.

"13 "As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at
the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted
inheritance.""
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Now, as they believed that death is death, but that those who believe
will be resurrected at the end of times, and as early christians
believed that Jesus had thrown out the gates of heaven so that
believers in him go to heaven at once not on day of judgement meaning
that day of judgement is for others; the alternative to believing in
God or obeying God is then death - if one follows the original Jewish
believes and the early church believes. So hell = death.

Now, since then believes in what happens, have evolved. But these as
far as I can see are the original versions.

Einar