US spy satellite falling to earth

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On Jan 29, 12:45 am, "johnB" nunya wrote:
.The United States often
lauches 'their' payloads from other countries.

Do you think the only 'secret' stuff is launched in the public view of
the
USA?

Not any more. Classified missions are US only payloads
What, the US Government say this? And you believe them?

We are not talking about the future, we are talking about the 4000 payloads
that are already up there.


"Secret: What we tell everybody to tell nobody."

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:48:54 +1100, Sylvia Else
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Rick Jones wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001028,00.html

"?We are looking at potential options to mitigate any possible
damage this satellite may cause,? he said."

I wonder what options they might be.

From a secret launch complex hidden in an extinct volcano on a remote
Japanese island you get someone to launch vehicle which goes up and
swallows-up the spacecraft to be captured and returns it to the remote
launch site, landing vertically. And if it doesn't work, no worries,
you only live twice...

I was always amazed at how a secret organisation could develop such
advanced technology. Particularly as all their scientists seemed to
spend their entire time wearing white coats and walking around with
clipboards.

When the Bond movies were edited for PG or PG-13, they had to cut out
all the scenes in the Scientist Harems, leaving only the boring labcoat
and clipboard stuff.. Keep in mind, a happy scientist is a productive
scientist, and Evil Overlords are somewhat handicapped in providing the
more normal sorts of incentive to their staff.


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On Jan 26, 4:53 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
BradGuth wrote:
On Jan 26, 4:24 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...116226-5001028,...

""We are looking at potential options to mitigate any possible damage
this satellite may cause," he said."

I wonder what options they might be.

Sylvia.

I think China could help, or possibly our ABLs.
- Brad Guth

It's not clear to me that blowing it to pieces is a good idea. I think
all the debris would soon re-enter, but I'm not sure.

Of course, there's a clear risk that you'll end up with a large piece
intact which then lands where it can do a lot of damage, and people will
say it should have been left alone.

On balance, I suspect attempting to shoot it down is a bad idea.

What's clearly required is something that can snare it and apply a
controlled de-orbit burn to bring it down somewhere safe, but developing
such technology is not going to be on anyone's priority list until after
the first city takes a hit.

Anyone know what kind of orbit a spy satellite would be in? Would they
always be polar, or might Sydney be safe?

Sylvia.

ABL warming of a reentry item is going to reduce its impact mass.

Upon impact we could always nuke whatever remains.
- Brad Guth

On Jan 29, 10:02 pm, "johnB" nunya wrote:
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... On Jan 29, 12:45 am, "johnB" nunya wrote:
.The United States often
lauches 'their' payloads from other countries.

Do you think the only 'secret' stuff is launched in the public view of
the
USA?

Not any more. Classified missions are US only payloads

What, the US Government say this? And you believe them?

We are not talking about the future, we are talking about the 4000 payloads
that are already up there.

"Secret: What we tell everybody to tell nobody."

The bulk of the 4000 is from the USSR.

And my answer still applies

It is ludicrous to think the US launched other nation's satellites on
classified missions. It would serve no purpose for the US

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:02:57 +0000, Dr J R Stockton
wrote:

In sci.space.policy message c6162db7-da70-446a-b71c-aa26b5282199@f10g20
00hsf.googlegroups.com, Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:52:04, Allen Thomson
posted:

The satellite that's extremely likely to be the one in question,
USA-193, is in a 58.5 degree orbit. So if you live in northern Canada,
a fair chunk of Russia, most of Scandinavia, or Antarctica, you're
safe. Everybody else is (safe - epsilon), where epsilon is a teeny
quantity.

That's one way of annoying, by ignoring, the inhabitants of Alaska,
Greenland, and Iceland, for a start. Also of the Faeroes and of part of
the UK.

And don't forget the all-important Antarctic population.

But hey, we promise we'll make it up to you. From now on, every military
transport aircraft on a trans-polar route will carry a piece of surplus
space hardware with orders to randomly kick it out the back somewhere
above 60 degrees latitude. You can have space debris raining on you just
like everyone else; no need to feel ignored :-)


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*John Schilling * "Anything worth doing, *
*Member:AIAA,NRA,ACLU,SAS,LP * is worth doing for money" *
*Chief Scientist & General Partner * -13th Rule of Acquisition *
*White Elephant Research, LLC * "There is no substitute *
* for success" *
*661-951-9107 or 661-275-6795 * -58th Rule of Acquisition *

John Schilling wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:02:57 +0000, Dr J R Stockton
wrote:

In sci.space.policy message c6162db7-da70-446a-b71c-aa26b5282199@f10g20
00hsf.googlegroups.com, Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:52:04, Allen Thomson
posted:

The satellite that's extremely likely to be the one in question,
USA-193, is in a 58.5 degree orbit. So if you live in northern Canada,
a fair chunk of Russia, most of Scandinavia, or Antarctica, you're
safe. Everybody else is (safe - epsilon), where epsilon is a teeny
quantity.


That's one way of annoying, by ignoring, the inhabitants of Alaska,
Greenland, and Iceland, for a start. Also of the Faeroes and of part of
the UK.


And don't forget the all-important Antarctic population.

But hey, we promise we'll make it up to you. From now on, every military
transport aircraft on a trans-polar route will carry a piece of surplus
space hardware with orders to randomly kick it out the back somewhere
above 60 degrees latitude. You can have space debris raining on you just
like everyone else; no need to feel ignored :-)

One of the most serious "space debris falling on Earth" incident was when
a soviet satellite carrying nuclear fuel fell in northern Canada. I think
we can say that north of 60 had their fair share of space debris.


Alain Fournier