Clean, Space Shuttle mission ! Liberals bummed out.....

On 17 Jul 2006 12:29:30 -0700, in a place far, far away, "BC"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:


Now you're the one making things up.

Correct! any connection between 9/11 and Saddam was made-up.

Bush never made such a connection, other than to point out that 9/11
meant that we could no longer wait until threats became imminent.

Bush and his crew constantly implied there was a
connection to the point that an awful lot of people
were fooled into thinking there was:

Except that the administration repeatedly and explicitly said that
there was *no proven connection*. They can't help what clueless
people like you choose to infer, despite those statements.

Uh-uh -- they came out to explicitly say there was "no
proven connection" only *after* polls started showing that
70% of Americans thought there we

And why would they do that if they were trying to convince people
otherwise? You simply make my point.

And this point, "Bush derangement" means "A strong
belief that Bush didn't lie despite overwhelming
evidence to the contrary, often accompanied by
drooling and sticking head in sand."

No, I called it right the first time.

You what do you do about dealing with the drool?
Or do you deal with it?

No drool, no problem.

Eric Chomko wrote:

You act like Bush deserves credit for a successful shuttle mission. Do you
think he also deserves blame for the shuttle loss in 2003? How about
Reagan in 1986?

I've encountered Liberals that DO blame them on these incidences.

: This is what happens when you adopt an "end justifies the means"
: attitude as the
: radical Leftist have.

Nope, 'ends justifies the meens' is a right-wing tenet. Example: Shoot
them all and let God sort it out.

Wrong.

To Machiavelli (1469-1527) is often attributed the statement, "the
good end justifies the means". I am not aware of him using that
phrase, even in Italian, but the idea is the thing. It is for this
reason that Machiavelli is on the catholic Index (list of banned
books).

"The end may justify the means as long as there is something that
justifies the end."
Leon Trotsky (1879-1940)

"The end does not justify the means. No one's rights can be secured
by the violation of the rights of others."
Ayn Rand (1905-82 )

Ayn Rand was a virulent anti-communist.

John Dewey (1859-1952). This site contains much discussion and
criticism of Dewey. He was a communist.

"Dewey's life-theme was to destroy in men's minds the idea of the
individual. Working towards that goal, he promoted the kind of
education that would create docile men easily ruled, and he promoted
the kind of government that would do the ruling - a statist government
where any "recalcitrant minority" would be dealt with by violence. He
called the destruction of the individual "new individualism," his
homogenizing educational theory "progressive education," and his ideal
socialist/fascist government variously "democracy," "socialism," and
"democratic socialism."
-
"The following is from Dewey's essay "Means and Ends" which he
submitted to the communist journal The New International (subtitled: "A
Monthly Organ of Revolutionary Marxism") and which was published in
vol. 4, Aug. 1938 page 232 (Later Works, vol. 13 page 349). Dewey
discusses an earlier essay in the same journal by Trotsky.

"Since Mr. Trotsky also indicates that the only alternative position
to the idea that the end justifies the means is some form of
absolutistic ethics based on ... some brand of eternal truths, I wish
to say that I write from a standpoint that rejects all such doctrines
as definitely as does Mr. Trotsky himself, and that I hold that the end
in the sense of consequences provides the only basis for moral ideas
and action, and therefore provides the only justification that can be
found for means employed. (Page 350.)

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/end...ns.php#trotsky


: You taught me the true meaning of "cynical".

You chose it on your own. As Lincoln stated, "people choose they're own
level of happiness".

Who said I "choose" to be cynical ? I said I learned it's meaning by
observing the Left.

: Cynical as in " selfishly or callously calculating ".

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:35:58 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Nope, 'ends justifies the meens' is a right-wing tenet. Example: Shoot
them all and let God sort it out.

No, it's traditionally associated with the left (even when spelled
properly), particularly the Stalinist left. And your example is
idiotic (as usual), since it has nothing to do with the ends
justifying the means.

Rand Simberg wrote:
On 17 Jul 2006 12:29:30 -0700, in a place far, far away, "BC"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:


Now you're the one making things up.

Correct! any connection between 9/11 and Saddam was made-up.

Bush never made such a connection, other than to point out that 9/11
meant that we could no longer wait until threats became imminent.

Bush and his crew constantly implied there was a
connection to the point that an awful lot of people
were fooled into thinking there was:

Except that the administration repeatedly and explicitly said that
there was *no proven connection*. They can't help what clueless
people like you choose to infer, despite those statements.

Uh-uh -- they came out to explicitly say there was "no
proven connection" only *after* polls started showing that
70% of Americans thought there we

And why would they do that if they were trying to convince people
otherwise? You simply make my point.

Hardly. If you clicked on some those links that you overly
conveniently left off:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...oll-iraq_x.htm
http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
The complaint for a long time was that Bush and his crew
were being deliberately deceitful about implying Hussein
had something to do with 9/11.

See:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title='A_war_sold_on_deception'


Some particulars:

President Bush sent a letter to Congress on 3/19/03 saying that
the Iraq war was permitted specifically under legislation that
authorized force against "nations, organizations, or persons
who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist
attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

In September 2003, Cheney claimed US success [sic] in Iraq is
"a major blow right at the heart of the . . . geographic base
of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many
years, but most especially on 9/11."

In October 2003, President Bush claimed that the suicide
bombers in Iraq were "probably both Ba'athists and foreign
terrorists", explaining that "it's the same mentality, by
the way, that attacked us . . . on September 11th, 2001....
And Iraq is a central part of the war on terror."
http://tinyurl.com/9xhx5

And for a bonus:

June 17, 2004. Vice President Cheney is being interviewed
by CNBC's Gloria Borger:

Borger: "Well, let's go to Mohamed Atta for a minute,
because you mentioned him as well. You have said in the
past that it was, quote, 'pretty well confirmed.' "

Cheney: "No, I never said that."

Borger: "Okay."

Cheney: "Never said that."

Borger: "I think that is...."

Cheney: "Absolutely not. What I said was the Czech
intelligence service reported after 9/11 that Atta had
been in Prague on April 9th of 2001, where he allegedly
met with an Iraqi intelligence official. We have never
been able to confirm that nor have we been able to
knock it down."

But...

On Dec. 9, 2001, Cheney was chatting to NBC's Tim Russert:

Cheney: "Well, what we now have that's developed since
you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report
that -- it's been pretty well confirmed that he [Atta]
did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official
of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last
April, several months before the attack. Now, what the
purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we
simply don't know at this point, but that's clearly an
avenue that we want to pursue."
http://www.thenationaldebate.com/blo..._borger_t.html

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Some misc info:
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title='A_war_sold_on_deception'
http://middleeastinfo.org/article3281.html


And this point, "Bush derangement" means "A strong
belief that Bush didn't lie despite overwhelming
evidence to the contrary, often accompanied by
drooling and sticking head in sand."

No, I called it right the first time.

You what do you do about dealing with the drool?
Or do you deal with it?

No drool, no problem.

Hmmm....

-BC

On 17 Jul 2006 18:38:12 -0700, in a place far, far away, "BC"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

Cheney: "Absolutely not. What I said was the Czech
intelligence service reported after 9/11 that Atta had
been in Prague on April 9th of 2001, where he allegedly
met with an Iraqi intelligence official. We have never
been able to confirm that nor have we been able to
knock it down."

That was a true statement.

But...

On Dec. 9, 2001, Cheney was chatting to NBC's Tim Russert:

Cheney: "Well, what we now have that's developed since
you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report
that -- it's been pretty well confirmed that he [Atta]
did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official
of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last
April, several months before the attack. Now, what the
purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we
simply don't know at this point, but that's clearly an
avenue that we want to pursue."

That was another true statement.

Neither of them stated that Saddam was definitely involved with 911.

On 17 Jul 2006 07:10:21 -0700, "GatherNoMoss" wrote
(in part):

I KNOW you people. You've dominated the US media for decades.
You taught me the true meaning of "cynical".
Cynical as in " selfishly or callously calculating ".

All this time, and you haven't realized...

Karl Rove is not a liberal.

GatherNoMoss wrote:
My opinion of Liberals is so poor....So convinced am I of their
degenerate character...
that I do believe that Liberals are dissappointed that this Space
Shuttle mission was
a success.
Another dead shuttle crew would have fit their political ambitions
quite nicely.
Something else that was "Bush's" fault.

This is what happens when you adopt an "end justifies the means"
attitude as the
radical Leftist have.

Go ahead Lefties, protest...express your indignation.
I KNOW you people. You've dominated the US media for decades.
You taught me the true meaning of "cynical".
Cynical as in " selfishly or callously calculating ".


Your hate is your concern...

The Profile of an America/George W Bush Hater

Research conducted by the John Hopkins School
of PsychoNeurology
Department Chair Lab D Room 4332
Baltimore Maryland
Male subject evaluation
June 2006 Issue of Medical Draft News


Key Personal Profile Observations of left leaning
liberal male subjects

MALE

1. Usually has a very small penis
2. Comes from broken or dysfunctional family
3. Supports Homosexuality
4. Hates himself
5. Has failed in society or employment
6. Atheist or Spiritual loathing
7. Low grades in school
8. Bed wetting
9. Overweight
10. Excessive masturbation
11. Government School educated
12. Despises any authority
13. Most desire relocating to San Francisco
14. Bill Clinton and Al Gore worship and sexual attraction
15. Pictures of Ted Kennedy in home
16. Believes Diversity and kissing the black ass
and belittling white people is best for America
17. Sex with mother
18. Has job that requires plastic name tag
19. Believes Holy Bible is a book of fables
20. Lives for themselves. Very selfish.
21. Hates strong men (John Wayne type)
22. Accepts strong Black or Female figures and feels White
males should act goofy and be subservient and kiss the black ass
23. During a crisis or emergency loses control and depends
on Government
24. Supports Communism and Socialism but has no idea what
they really mean
25. Watches CNN and reads the New York Times

August release of Female evaluation subjects pending

LittlePenis wrote:
The Profile of an America/George W Bush Hater

Research conducted by the John Hopkins School
of PsychoNeurology
Department Chair Lab D Room 4332
Baltimore Maryland
Male subject evaluation
June 2006 Issue of Medical Draft News


Key Personal Profile Observations of left leaning
liberal male subjects

MALE

1. Usually has a very small penis
2. Comes from broken or dysfunctional family
3. Supports Homosexuality
4. Hates himself
5. Has failed in society or employment
6. Atheist or Spiritual loathing
7. Low grades in school
8. Bed wetting
9. Overweight
10. Excessive masturbation
11. Government School educated
12. Despises any authority
13. Most desire relocating to San Francisco
14. Bill Clinton and Al Gore worship and sexual attraction
15. Pictures of Ted Kennedy in home
16. Believes Diversity and kissing the black ass
and belittling white people is best for America
17. Sex with mother
18. Has job that requires plastic name tag
19. Believes Holy Bible is a book of fables
20. Lives for themselves. Very selfish.
21. Hates strong men (John Wayne type)
22. Accepts strong Black or Female figures and feels White males should
act goofy and be subservient and kiss the black ass
23. During a crisis or emergency loses control and depends on Government
24. Supports Communism and Socialism but has no idea what they really mean
25. Watches CNN and reads the New York Times

August release of Female evaluation subjects pending

Absolutely fabricated. There is no such document.

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:38:20 -0400, in a place far, far away, KenStahl
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
as to indicate that:

Absolutely fabricated. There is no such document.

Gee, no kidding?