Limits of Spectroscopy

"Ralph Hertle" wrote in message
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The only reference I could find was at:


http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The following quotation is from the presentation at the above mentioned
site:

"
Until now we have discussed the absorption or the emission of a photon,
when the photon?s energy corresponds to the energy difference of two
molecular levels. But when a photon collides with a molecule other
processes may occur ? the photon may be scattered and changes its
direction of motion. If the photon?s energy is conserved (no change of
frequency) the process is termed Rayleigh scattering (after John William
Strutt Baron Rayleigh (1842-1919)). However, the molecule during the
interaction may capture some of the photon?s energy, or some may be
transferred to the photon. Consequently, due to this inelastic
collision, the photon emerges with a different energy ?
"

Oh, you sly so-n-so Ralph.
In the quote above, you stop just short of the name of the second process
(did you think I was incapable of clicking on a link and reading it myself).

The above quote should end ...

"... Consequently, due to this inelastic collision, the photon emerges with
a different energy, the Raman process (after Sir Chandrasekhar Venkata Raman
(1888-1970), the first Asian to win a Nobel Prize, in 1930)."

And yet on Jan 26 of this year, in the thread "TIRED LIGHT [ = NO BB ]" when
I asked you specifically ...

"As far as I can tell, no such experiment exists (Might you mean "Raman
scattering"???)."
- John Zinni -

Your responses was ...

"No."
- Ralph Hertle -

Any comment Ralph???


The "Rayleigh scattering" experiments and documentation are the general
area to investigate. The complete documentation would be of interest.

The elastic back-scatter experiments are not as interesting as the
photon-hydrogen inelastic collision experiments referred to above
regarding photon energy levels.

Ralph Hertle

John:

Thanks for your reply. The additional quotation that you provided is
interesting to me, and I'm simply trying to sort out fact from fiction
in science.


John Zinni wrote:

[ text omitted ]

Oh, you sly so-n-so Ralph.
In the quote above, you stop just short of the name of the second process
(did you think I was incapable of clicking on a link and reading it myself).

The above quote should end ...

"... Consequently, due to this inelastic collision, the photon emerges with
a different energy, the Raman process (after Sir Chandrasekhar Venkata Raman
(1888-1970), the first Asian to win a Nobel Prize, in 1930)."

And yet on Jan 26 of this year, in the thread "TIRED LIGHT [ = NO BB ]" when
I asked you specifically ...

"As far as I can tell, no such experiment exists (Might you mean "Raman
scattering"???)."
- John Zinni -

Your responses was ...

"No."
- Ralph Hertle -

Any comment Ralph???

[ text omitted ]


Don't get me wrong. The summary of Rayleigh's photon-hydrogen inelastic
collision experiment was what I was referring to. I wasn't referring to
Raman's work, and that is also interesting.

I believe that several scientists work will be found to be true and even
more basic that previously thought, e.g., Max Planck, and that theories
of the photon that identify energy level and integral frequency or
dynamic properties will ultimately prevail over theories of non-physical
and non-existent or etherian waves.

When the prime focus of science is in finding out what exists in the
universe, and how existents function, instead of trying to make
mathematical concepts into metaphysical existents, the path to
discovering the causes of light and gravity will be open.

Ralph Hertle

"Ralph Hertle" wrote in message
...
John:

Thanks for your reply. The additional quotation that you provided is
interesting to me, and I'm simply trying to sort out fact from fiction
in science.

A good start would be to stop injecting fiction into your posts.


John Zinni wrote:

[ text omitted ]

Oh, you sly so-n-so Ralph.
In the quote above, you stop just short of the name of the second
process
(did you think I was incapable of clicking on a link and reading it
myself).

The above quote should end ...

"... Consequently, due to this inelastic collision, the photon emerges
with
a different energy, the Raman process (after Sir Chandrasekhar Venkata
Raman
(1888-1970), the first Asian to win a Nobel Prize, in 1930)."

And yet on Jan 26 of this year, in the thread "TIRED LIGHT [ = NO BB ]"
when
I asked you specifically ...

"As far as I can tell, no such experiment exists (Might you mean "Raman
scattering"???)."
- John Zinni -

Your responses was ...

"No."
- Ralph Hertle -

Any comment Ralph???

[ text omitted ]


Don't get me wrong. The summary of Rayleigh's photon-hydrogen inelastic
collision experiment was what I was referring to. I wasn't referring to
Raman's work, and that is also interesting.

I believe that several scientists work will be found to be true and even
more basic that previously thought, e.g., Max Planck, and that theories
of the photon that identify energy level and integral frequency or
dynamic properties will ultimately prevail over theories of non-physical
and non-existent or etherian waves.

When the prime focus of science is in finding out what exists in the
universe, and how existents function, instead of trying to make
mathematical concepts into metaphysical existents, the path to
discovering the causes of light and gravity will be open.

The above doesn't actually mean anything. Does it???



Ralph Hertle

John:

John Zinni wrote:
"Ralph Hertle" wrote in message
...

[ text omitted ]

When the prime focus of science is in finding out what exists in the
universe, and how existents function, instead of trying to make
mathematical concepts into metaphysical existents, the path to
discovering the causes of light and gravity will be open.


The above doesn't actually mean anything. Does it???


[ unsigned ]


Not to you.

Ralph Hertle