A retrospective look at Sirius B in its red supergiant phase

On May 15, 6:23 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Matt BG is hung up on Sirius B I have a picture of this white dwarf
and it is about twice the size of Earth. I am sure their are more Sirius
B dwarfs than even Sun like stars. Maybe that is what BG sees in them.
They are very common,and taken for granted. seems Neutron stars are far
less common,but very popular and stir up our thinking about them Go
figure TreBert

There are perhaps far more red dwarfs than white dwarfs.

I believe Sirius B used to be worth 8 solar masses, though possibly it
was originally as great as 9 solar masses, and by way of cosmic
standards it's not very old (possibly as young as 200~250 million
years, or 20~25 some odd ice ages). The molecular cloud that created
this nearby Sirius star/solar system was likely worth 12,000+ solar
masses (others might suggest 64,000+ solar masses).

The creation of the Sirius star/solar system happened relatively
nearby, and the red supergiant phase occurred recently and much
closer. Our solar system is still affected by the nearby and 3.5
solar mass of the Sirius star/solar system. For all we know, parts of
our solar system unavoidably came from Sirius.


On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:
Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T....
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m....

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

With the new and greatly improve Hubble camera, there's another good
chance that Sirius C can be detected, however a TRACEx100 at less than
10% the cost of the latest repair/upgrades to Hubble would have been
far superior and doable as of a decade ago.

~ BG

On May 15, 9:10*am, BradGuth wrote:
On May 15, 6:23 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Matt BG is hung up on Sirius B * I have a picture of this white dwarf
and it is about twice the size of Earth. I am sure their are more Sirius
B dwarfs than even Sun like stars. Maybe that is what BG sees in them.
They are very common,and taken for granted. *seems Neutron stars are far
less common,but very popular and stir up our thinking about them *Go
figure *TreBert

There are perhaps far more red dwarfs than white dwarfs.

I believe Sirius B used to be worth 8 solar masses, though possibly it
was originally as great as 9 solar masses, and by way of cosmic
standards it's not very old (possibly as young as 200~250 million
years, or 20~25 some odd ice ages). *The molecular cloud that created
this nearby Sirius star/solar system was likely worth 12,000+ solar
masses (others might suggest 64,000+ solar masses).

The creation of the Sirius star/solar system happened relatively
nearby, and the red supergiant phase occurred recently and much
closer. *Our solar system is still affected by the nearby and 3.5
solar mass of the Sirius star/solar system. *For all we know, parts of
our solar system unavoidably came from Sirius.

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:



Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

With the new and greatly improve Hubble camera, there's another good
chance that Sirius C can be detected, however a TRACEx100 at less than
10% the cost of the latest repair/upgrades to Hubble would have been
far superior and doable as of a decade ago.

*~ BG

Why waste our hard earned public loot on any TRACEx100? (why not?)

Hardly anyone in government is cutting back, and in spite of whatever
BHO thinks, we're still getting systematically screwed by those in
charge.

Looks like they got our BHO nicely wrapped around their little Zionist
Nazi finger.

~ BG

On May 15, 9:10*am, BradGuth wrote:
On May 15, 6:23 am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Matt BG is hung up on Sirius B * I have a picture of this white dwarf
and it is about twice the size of Earth. I am sure their are more Sirius
B dwarfs than even Sun like stars. Maybe that is what BG sees in them.
They are very common,and taken for granted. *seems Neutron stars are far
less common,but very popular and stir up our thinking about them *Go
figure *TreBert

There are perhaps far more red dwarfs than white dwarfs.

I believe Sirius B used to be worth 8 solar masses, though possibly it
was originally as great as 9 solar masses, and by way of cosmic
standards it's not very old (possibly as young as 200~250 million
years, or 20~25 some odd ice ages). *The molecular cloud that created
this nearby Sirius star/solar system was likely worth 12,000+ solar
masses (others might suggest 64,000+ solar masses).

The creation of the Sirius star/solar system happened relatively
nearby, and the red supergiant phase occurred recently and much
closer. *Our solar system is still affected by the nearby and 3.5
solar mass of the Sirius star/solar system. *For all we know, parts of
our solar system unavoidably came from Sirius.

On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:



Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red Giant Star Found to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass) star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent
star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

With the new and greatly improve Hubble camera, there's another good
chance that Sirius C can be detected, however a TRACEx100 at less than
10% the cost of the latest repair/upgrades to Hubble would have been
far superior and doable as of a decade ago.

Why waste our hard earned public loot on any TRACEx100? (why the hell
not?)

Hardly anyone in government is cutting back, and in spite of whatever
BHO thinks, it seems we're still getting systematically screwed by
those in charge.

Looks like they got our BHO nicely wrapped around their little Zionist
Nazi finger, with an even bigger government than ever before, and
Charles F. Bolden may not be the right stuff or offering sufficient
stuff in order to fix our NASA or it's puppet master DARPA.

At least a TRACEx100 at 1% the overall cost of Hubble could provide
multiple functions of astronomy, lunar sciences and otherwise mostly
benefit Earth science about our sun at 100 fold better resolution than
the existing and fairly old TRACE that's about to run out of fuel.

~ BG