Icy ProtoMoon, a Lithobraking Arrival

Terrestrial research wizards such as the deductive expertise of
Velikovsky may actually have been on the right set of tracks all along,
whereas just having been a little skewed here and there (forced into
swag mode), and obviously without all of the available history along
with the nifty amounts of new and improved science that's existing and
well documented as of today. For one example, ice-core samples that's
going back nearly a million years were not a part of his research.

The mere dreaded revision thoughts of an icy ProtoMoon and of it's
lithobraking arrival is not another topic joke. I believe this
perfectly GW related topic simply represents the regular laws of physics
and the slim but otherwise reasonable odds of this event happening,
especially if such an icy ProtoMoon had been thrown our way from a
sufficiently nearby star/solar system, and as though gravity dragged
and/or accommodated into our solar system along with the arrival of
Venus (possibly as a moon as having belonged to Venus).

I also tend to believe that "Earth w/o magnetosphere, w/o moon" is also
somewhat interrelated to one another, as well as having been unavoidably
interrelated to the somewhat recent arrival of our moon as having
established the global tilt that shifted us away from being a nearly
monoseason planet with only solar driven tides, and for otherwise as
having deposited quite a fair amount of salty ice plus a little
sequestered DNA code if not substantial other life within for the
environment of Earth to deal with.

In the distant past, our Earth was clearly a bit more surface
roundish/smooth as having hosted somewhat less vertically imposing
terrain from ocean depths to the peaks of mountainous creations that
transpired rather quickly (as though having been antipode induced into
existence), and certainly as having shown much less erosion as having
since been deposited into our oceans or as otherwise having to deal with
on land, and of what little surface water there was already here to
behold was much less salty and either extensively sub-frozen and/or at
least getting monoseason frosted enough as to reaching that icy line of
frost to within the tropics of Cancer/Capricorn. This nearly monoseason
of Earth's early environment was also allowing those early forms of
humanity to essentially staying put, demanding few if any migrations
except within the relatively temperate life zone as associated within
the Tropics of Cancer/Capricorn, that is unless something truly horrific
of geophysics emerged from within the planetology of Earth and/or of
mother nature's surface environment was taking place, whereas I believe
most everything north or south of their Cancer/Capricorn frost line
would have been at risk of having been compromised if not unlivable for
much of the time, especially throughout a typical ice-age deep freezing
cycle that lasted for a good ten to twenty some odd thousands of years
at a whack.

Here's the latest of topic related news that I'd thought you folks can
use, or perhaps not (depending on your mindset), as to my somewhat
dyslexic way of having contemplated on behalf of the most accepted
what-if our moon had in fact been made entirely of Earth, whereas of 1
Ga those resulting tidal affects would have been at least half if not
nearly twice again as impressive (if not nearly tsunami worthy), and of
2 Ga would have been generating those somewhat continuous tsunami class
of bulging tidal waves as worth a few good magnitudes of their having
been 5 to 10 times worse off than nowadays, not to mention what our
molten mantle being seriously motivated along via such horrific mascon
forces, as a somewhat super-rotation mass of thermal and magnetic force
taking place just below the crust of Earth.

If we gave our moon a supposed lifespan of being 4 Ga (4 billion years
old)

moon @0.0 Ga = 384,400 km from Earth / orbital energy 2e20 joules

moon @ -1 Ga = 332,000 km from Earth / orbital energy 3e20 joules

moon @ -2 Ga = 256,000 km from Earth / orbital energy 5e20 joules

moon @ -3 Ga = 192,000 km from Earth / orbital energy 8e20 joules
(possibly 1e21 joules)

moon @ -4 Ga = 0.0 km as supposedly emerging itself from Earth
(antipode launch force/energy at 6 km/s = 5.3e30 J ????

Secondary impact/antipode ejected mass 7.35e22 x 2 = 14.7e22 kg
(I'm using 2x the mass of our moon because not everything that goes up
would have become moon)

Geophysical whatever antipode launch exit velocity of roughly 6 km/s
Ke = .5MV2 7.35e22 x 36e6 = 265e28 joules
Kf = MV2 14.7e22 x 36e6 = 529e28 joules

Of course, silly Kroll and myself are perhaps still the two most
resident village idiots (AKA messengers from hell) as having been
leaning ourselves towards the more likely icy protomoon sort of impact,
as having delivered a very salty and rather substantially tera-iceberg
worth of a glancing sucker-punch (perhaps having involved more than one
such lithobraking and lunar iceberg deploying encounter) that which
established the major extent of Earth's tilt (thereby having created
seasons) and otherwise having subsequently produced the likes of our
Arctic ocean basin and/or Hudson Bay, along with the geophysical
antipode result having produced the sorts of horrific vertical land mass
and otherwise extremely mountainous terrain, as having been rather
abruptly pushed up at roughly those 180 degree longitude/latitude
antipode locations, with lots of other interesting geophysics taking
place in between.

Since there's no apparent scientific nor physics related argument
against really big and nasty stuff having in fact impacted Earth from
time to time, and since the regular laws of physics and/or of
planetology should not have changed, whereas this icy ProtoMoon arrival
as of the last ice age seems to offer a viable degree of it's own
what-if on behalf of representing a perfectly rational set of arguments,
that's at least worth keeping on the public table so that others having
an honest thought from their open mindset might constructively
contribute as to sharing their expertise or best swag, instead of merely
enforcing upon and/or hiding behind the usual mainstream naysayism, and
of otherwise having to apply evidence denial and/or total author/topic
banishment upon this argument.

How Asteroids Trigger Volcanos / By Robert Roy Britt
A few other words of wisdom about Earth getting a serious hicky via
asteroid;
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._030204-1.html
Unfortunately, this author doesn't contribute anything as to whatever a
glancing blow via an icy protomoon might have represented. Therefore,
whatever horrific impact created ocean basins and/or antipode results
are not a part of this equation. However the following sub-topic is at
least an honest consideration as to what such a impactor of having
produced local and/or antipode induced event(s) might have helped to
have created the likes of Hawaii.

Asteroid May Have Created Hawaii

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...id_010731.html
"Rocking the other side of the planet"

"Mark Boslough and his colleagues at Sandia National Laboratories have
modeled asteroid impacts. In a 1996 paper, they predicted that the
seismic energy from an impact travels through the Earth and is strongly
focussed at the antipode to the impact, near the boundary of the crust
and the hot, molten mantle."

Of course mountains that were not created via volcanic process and are
less old than you'd think, and seemingly as having been created within
an extremely short amount of time, whereas these horrific vertical
formations seem as though more antipode generated than not.

This somewhat testy "Icy ProtoMoon" and of it's "Lithobraking Arrival"
as an ongoing research topic represents that within my open mindset
there's a great deal of our past, present and future that's at stake of
getting revised, of which nearly everything under the sun that's
apparently orbiting our infomercial bulging and otherwise badly polluted
flat Earth is at risk of falling off the edge, such as most everything
from their Old Testament certified 'Big Bang' theory to that of our
supposedly having walked on the moon is at risk. Sorry about that.
Secondly, clearly my extremely poor old PC and that of my limited
Mailgate/Usenet access are still each getting summarily stalked, trashed
and/or terminated via spermware/****ware at every possible turn in this
extremely bumpy Usenet road, as though I'm somehow the ultimate bad guy
that's responsible for rocking a bit more than my fair share of their
good ship LOLLIPOP.

I totally agree with the few and far between likes of 'tomcat', such as
focusing our clearly limited though honestly deductive research talents
and zilch worth of resources upon reviewing the notion of placing such a
super-sized whopper of a worthy mascon that's representing such a nearby
moon into orbiting a given icy monoseason planet, that which otherwise
still has a good amount of a fluid core and at least some degree of
surface fluids (including the surrounding atmosphere) to work with, that
can obviously be influenced and/or tidal forced, simply has to involve
an ongoing taking of and/or giving process of transferring energy as
related to the unavoidable gravity/tidal physics, for the very same
reason why a satellite as set into safely orbiting our nearly naked moon
is eventually dragged to it's demise unless having applied ION or some
other means of reaction thrust. Therefore, the orbital mechanics of
mascon physics as related to global warming is very real.

A three body worth of such interactive mascon physics seems all the more
complex, and that of a forth body situation is nearly as complicated and
supercomputer worthy task as astrophysics tends to get (especially if
such were involving various Lithobraking events). I happen think we're
dealing with at the very least a 5+ multi-body situation, along with all
sorts of complex variables. (sorry about that)
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Brad Guth


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A little further proof that I'm more than sufficiently right, especially
about the sorts of incest cloned Old Testament thumping farts of this
naysay Usenet (anti-think-tank from hell) that would much rather allow
putting one of their own kind on a stick than not, which means they
obviously wouldn't so much as help out with any given math or improved
words as along as the rest of us village idiots are not on a media
domination par with their mainstream status quo that intends to dominate
and big-time profit from this badly failing environment, no matters
what. (I believe it's exactly what certain religious types have always
done best).

It seems the Lithobreaking/Lithobraking Arrival of our icy protomoon is
technically doable without having extensively vaporised either orb.
Such a lithobraking encounter of having created the Arctic Ocean basin
for example would have likely given added tilt to Earth's axis, and
subsequently given us seasons to go along with those new and greatly
improved tides that at first must have been rather massively tsunami
class of such tidal forced events.

At the time of this encounter, Earth had a somewhat more robust
atmosphere and a good deal of it's own protective surface ice, and
certainly the salty and icy protomoon had it's own frosty atmosphere to
spare, whereas combined these atmospheres and of either surface as
having been protected by a thick layer of ice would have helped to
buffer the lithobraking sort of glancing blow involving these two icy
orbs.

As a result, I'd say 25% of life upon Earth was somewhat terminated upon
impact, whereas a fair percentage of the rest may have managed to
survive, with those situated at roughly 120 degrees in either direction
being the least affected, except for the eventual tilt that established
the seasons and of those affected by the increase in ocean levels, or
taken off guard by some of the new panspermia of deposited life as
having arrived safely within that salty moon ice. As a whole, I'd say
that the original status of life on Earth may have been cut down to to
something far less than 25% of whatever coexisted prior to the impact,
as these few survivors most likely invented all sorts of gods in order
to deal with the sort of outcome that only a worthy god that was
seriously ****ed could have been responsible for.

Even the likes of Carl Sagan and many others before his time, and most
certainly of those ever since, have had access to the sorts of science
that proves such intergalactic and thus unavoidably interactive solar
system mergers of various bodies were in fact taking place, and
obviously proving not everything that goes bump in the night gets
vaporised, especially if it were protected by a thick layer of salty ice
as such glancing blows were taking place.

Supercomputers of today can 3D interactively simulate just about
anything that's allowed to be given the opportunity. What odds are you
folks giving that this honest conjecture of Earth being impacted by an
icy protomoon will never see such a supercomputer simulation or much
less 'made for TV' NOVA world class of animated production, whereas
they've been using such publicly funded supercomputers every hour of
every day for our entertainment and for having produced those fantastic
eye-popping loads of such eye-candy and brain-sucking infomercials that
are intended to keep us spending our very last multi-taxable dollar
until we drop.
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Brad Guth


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One time on SAA of this garbage was bad enough, but two times at the same
time is two times the garbage.

and to let all know on all the cross posted groups, this one is falling into
the Cyber Black Hole never to be seen again.


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universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.


The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
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http://home.inreach.com/starlord
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http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html


"Brad Guth" Barfed on Screen

"Starlord" wrote in message


One time on SAA of this garbage was bad enough, but two times at the same
time is two times the garbage.

and to let all know on all the cross posted groups, this one is falling into
the Cyber Black Hole never to be seen again.

It's actually an intellectual event horizon that's doing the most
intellectual sucking before it ever gets into your Usenet "Cyber Black
Hole".

What's the matter with all of your conditional laws of physics and
infomercial-science, this time around?
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Brad Guth




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Brad Guth wrote: {nothing worth reading}


Only bad thing about going over to a Mac for
email/net use.

I have to start all over with my killfile....



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"Allan Mayer" wrote in message


Brad Guth wrote: {nothing worth reading}

Only bad thing about going over to a Mac for
email/net use.

I have to start all over with my killfile....

Silly boy. So what I'm saying about your kind is apparently 100% true.
OK, I'll buy that. However, for the record, what actually happens to
your buttology brain whenever your butt-cheeks dare to think ouside of
that infomercial bulging space-toilet box that you folks call home sweet
home?
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Brad Guth




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Yes, he has once again morphed his identity a little so as to get
through our filters. I guess its time for some poetry.

WEARY OF "THEORIES"

There are some posters out there
who feel the need to formulate
their own elaborate theories
about the heavens and their fate.

Now speculation's helpful
in spawning new concepts,
but these poor souls go WAY past that
when they cook up their precepts.

It wouldn't be so bad, you know
if they kept things real low-key,
but they insist on churning out
lengthy works for all to see.

Their knowledge of the sciences
is often minimal at best.
From that weak base, they spin long yarns,
and make themselves a pest.

They often don't have the patience
for learning physics, and the math.
Instead, they concoct "inner" truths
in place of logic, which they lack.

They often use what math they know
to cobble up crank linkings,
or rambling numerology
to back up their false thinking.

They spout out much confusion,
running counter to known laws
of Physics and Astronomy.
They spew forth much with flaws.

They fling their stuff throughout Usenet
to newsgroups well off-topic,
to get attention for themselves
from posts unwanted and myopic.

They get the goat of many
who respond to all their stuff,
and gain desired attention
from those who shout "ENOUGH!"

Some jump on readers who dare to hint
that their ideas lack some truth,
and fire back long derisive flames,
pouring more garbage down the chute.

They mislead the rank beginner
and drive professor-types insane,
and all the while they relish
in their wonderous new-found fame.

They clutter up the newsgroups
with their theories, oh so flawed,
but if you argue with them
you just help them in their cause.

So stick to just the cold hard facts
and do not engage these fools.
As time goes on, they should then fade
and prove that knowledge rules!

"David Knisely" wrote in message


Yes, he has once again morphed his identity a little so as to get
through our filters. I guess its time for some poetry.

WEARY OF "THEORIES"

They clutter up the newsgroups
with their theories, oh so flawed,
but if you argue with them
you just help them in their cause.

So stick to just the cold hard facts
and do not engage these fools.
As time goes on, they should then fade
and prove that knowledge rules!

What morphing? Unlike most others as infomercial spewing spooks and
moles, I am exactly whom and what I am, as a for real honest to God
person, though w/o brown nose like yourselves.

Since Einstein had more than his fair share of "theories" (many of which
never got published), as such you're telling folks here and there to
ignore the likes of anyone suggesting as to whatever's new and improved
as residing just outside of your Old Testament box. Gee whiz, why am I
not the least bit surprised, especially coming from the naysay wizardly
likes of lord David Knisely.

I once had a silly "theory" that perhaps government and religion should
not lie each of their respective butts off. Brother, was I ever way off
the mark on that one, or what.

BTW; your poetry sucks, like most everything else that you and your
evidence-excluding yet all-knowing naysay kind of infomercial spewing
borgs represent.
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Brad Guth


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Brad Guth wrote: {nothing worth reading}


Only bad thing about going over to a Mac for
email/net use.

I have to start all over with my killfile....


Well, he did change his i.d. a bit, as he suddenly reappeared on my
views of the group once again. It's the same strange ideas, the same
lack of basic scientific understanding, and the same lack of civility
once again (sigh). One minor change to the killfile and all is now well.
Clear skies to you.
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David W. Knisely
Prairie Astronomy Club: http://www.prairieastronomyclub.org
Hyde Memorial Observatory: http://www.hydeobservatory.info/

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Allan Mayer wrote:

Only bad thing about going over to a Mac for email/net use.

Bet you love giving Apple their 30% profit margin, don't you? ;-)

So why the change of heart?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.a...9c2f0c6c1dcd0/