1969 design patent - Apollo CM shelter on LM descent stage

In 1969 North American Rockwell filed for a design patent that was
granted in 1971.
Design Patent D219,690 shows an Apollo CM attached to an Apollo Lunar
Module
descent stage. It's titled "Combined Shelter and Vehicle".

Interesting use of Apollo hardware. I wonder what Grumman thought
about
the Rockwell design patent on "their" hardware?

Who hasn't done this with their Revell Apollo spacecraft models?

I've posted screen shots of the the design patent and drawings on
NasaSpaceFlight.com
at the URL below.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...osts=1&start=1

Or you can view the original design patent, D219,690, on the U.S.
Patent website at:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm

Just copy and paste D219,690. Click SEARCH and then IMAGES.


;-)

Rusty

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In 1969 North American Rockwell filed for a design patent that was
granted in 1971.
Design Patent D219,690 shows an Apollo CM attached to an Apollo Lunar
Module
descent stage. It's titled "Combined Shelter and Vehicle".

Weird, I wonder what the point was.



Interesting use of Apollo hardware. I wonder what Grumman thought
about
the Rockwell design patent on "their" hardware?

Who hasn't done this with their Revell Apollo spacecraft models?

I've posted screen shots of the the design patent and drawings on
NasaSpaceFlight.com
at the URL below.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/for...osts=1&start=1

Or you can view the original design patent, D219,690, on the U.S.
Patent website at:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm

Just copy and paste D219,690. Click SEARCH and then IMAGES.


;-)

Rusty


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In article . net,
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:
Design Patent D219,690 shows an Apollo CM attached to an Apollo Lunar
Module descent stage. It's titled "Combined Shelter and Vehicle".

Weird, I wonder what the point was.

Not hard to figure out...

There were serious plans to do extended lunar missions using a two-launch
scheme, in which an "LM Shelter" would land first, unmanned, and then an
"LM Taxi" would bring the crew down. The LM Shelter had consumables for a
long stay, and a sizable payload of surface equipment, but no ascent
capability. The LM Taxi was a slightly stripped-down LM that could be
shut down into a hibernation mode for a long idle period on the lunar
surface. The Shelter was living quarters, the Taxi was transportation.

The CM/LMDS hybrid is clearly NAA/Rockwell's attempt to get a piece of the
pie, by using the CM -- already set up as long-term living quarters -- as
the Shelter module.
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...
In article . net,
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:
Design Patent D219,690 shows an Apollo CM attached to an Apollo Lunar
Module descent stage. It's titled "Combined Shelter and Vehicle".

Weird, I wonder what the point was.

Not hard to figure out...


Ok, let me rephrase that.

Not really sure what the advantage (to someone OTHER than Rockwell :-) was.


There were serious plans to do extended lunar missions using a two-launch
scheme, in which an "LM Shelter" would land first, unmanned, and then an
"LM Taxi" would bring the crew down. The LM Shelter had consumables for a
long stay, and a sizable payload of surface equipment, but no ascent
capability. The LM Taxi was a slightly stripped-down LM that could be
shut down into a hibernation mode for a long idle period on the lunar
surface. The Shelter was living quarters, the Taxi was transportation.

The CM/LMDS hybrid is clearly NAA/Rockwell's attempt to get a piece of the
pie, by using the CM -- already set up as long-term living quarters -- as
the Shelter module.
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In article et,
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\) wrote:
Weird, I wonder what the point was.
Not hard to figure out...

Ok, let me rephrase that.
Not really sure what the advantage (to someone OTHER than Rockwell :-) was.

Well, yes, there is that. :-) You might be able to claim a small advantage
over an LM Shelter in that the CM was already built to be a long-term
habitation module, so to speak. On the other hand, it also had a bunch of
systems that weren't needed for this job and would have to be stripped
out, and it wasn't really shaped well for use as living quarters in the
presence of significant gravity. But I doubt that there was any real
advantage (except to Rockwell).
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:40:19 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

"Rusty" wrote in message
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In 1969 North American Rockwell filed for a design patent that was
granted in 1971.
Design Patent D219,690 shows an Apollo CM attached to an Apollo Lunar
Module
descent stage. It's titled "Combined Shelter and Vehicle".

Weird, I wonder what the point was.

....Some Rockwell engineer saw his kid do just that with the Revell
"Rainbow Landing" kit and decided to patent it before someone else did
just for CYA purposes.

OM
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On Mar 15, 10:28 am, OM wrote:


...Some Rockwell engineer saw his kid do just that with the Revell
"Rainbow Landing" kit and decided to patent it before someone else did
just for CYA purposes.

OM


This means there may be a patent out there for a LM ascent stage
attached to an Apollo service module. That would be one way trip.

;-)

Rusty

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On Mar 15, 10:28 am, OM wrote:


...Some Rockwell engineer saw his kid do just that with the Revell
"Rainbow Landing" kit and decided to patent it before someone else did
just for CYA purposes.

OM


This means there may be a patent out there for a LM ascent stage
attached to an Apollo service module. That would be one way trip.


You know, I figure the crew of Apollo 9 must have been pretty nervous.

"What do you mean the descent stage of Spider won't stop firing? What do
you mean we can't rendevzous with Gumdrop?"


;-)

Rusty




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On Mar 15, 1:42 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:
"Rusty" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Mar 15, 10:28 am, OM wrote:

...Some Rockwell engineer saw his kid do just that with the Revell
"Rainbow Landing" kit and decided to patent it before someone else did
just for CYA purposes.

OM

This means there may be a patent out there for a LM ascent stage
attached to an Apollo service module. That would be a one way trip.

You know, I figure the crew of Apollo 9 must have been pretty nervous.

"What do you mean the descent stage of Spider won't stop firing? What do
you mean we can't rendezvous with Gumdrop?"


"Dammit Rusty, you barfed all over the firing circuits!!!"

Ok, two threads with barf jokes is enough for one month.


Rusty

On 15 Mar 2007 13:16:21 -0700, "Rusty"
wrote:

This means there may be a patent out there for a LM ascent stage
attached to an Apollo service module. That would be one way trip.

....Funny, ISTR mention of an AAP project where an unmanned space
telescope was proposed using that exact configuration. The LM ascent
stage would have provided a docking port for a reservicing module, and
the 'scope itself would have been mounted where the front hatch would
have been normlly. The SM would have been more of a PAM at first, with
the remainder of the fuel intended to be redirected to the RCS for the
remainder of the mission. I can see reaction wheels being used
instead, tho.

OM
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