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Consider the reaction;
p + 11B --- 3 4He + 8.54 MeV It requires that the protium and boron-11 be united with an energy of 123 KeV. Basically, take some Boron-11 toss it in the air, and hit it dead center with a proton travelling at 5 km/sec. Out will fly 3 Helium-4 nucleii at 12,000 km/sec! I envision a nano-structured propulsive skin that consists of a layer of water, a nanoscale hydrogen processing surface that electrolyzes the water and ionizes the hydrogen, leaving oxygen gas. Then there's a 160 KV accelerator gap that accelerates the protons to the needed speed of 5 km/sec injecting them into the fusion system. The protons enter a photonic-like crystal to control the flow of particles giving precise control to the desired collision with the Boron-11. These crystal rods - which have a nanotube like structure at their center, penetrate a boron layer. Another nanoscale surface processes the Boron-11 and ejects atoms one at a time, injecting them at 0.5 km/sec into the same tube. Despite their high speed along the length of the tube, the nanotube structure reduces their temperature relative to one another. Basically, their centers are co-located to within 0.01 angstroms despite their high closing speed along the length of the tube. Also, strong electret based fields along the length of the nanotube like structgure orient the spin of the nuclei so that when the two nucleii interact, the plane of high probability decay is well defined and the directions of the emitted particles are controlled.. Nanostructures -again similar to photonic crystals- accept these particles and redirect their energy so they are all collimated with very little energy loss while imparting momentum to the entire structure. Imagine a 10 cm x 10 cm panel 10 cm thick. There is a 2.33 cm thick layer of water massing 233 grams capable of producing. 25.8 grams. A 3 cm thick layer of boron-11 penetrated with nanoscale tubes every micrometer, contains 284 grams of boron-11. The rest of the nanoscale structure masses 1 kg and carries out the processes on a nanoscale just described. The final surface has a beam of highly collimated alpha particles travelling at 12,000 km/sec.. At peak power output the accelerator is 40 MW and it produces a jet with a 2.3 GW power rating producing 35 kg of thrust across 100 sq cm - at this level of thrust the system operates 10,000 seconds. A vehicle with a propulsive skin totalling 320 sq m and weighing 14,000 kg can pull over 8 gees at full thrust. At 1 gee it can operate 1 day. At 1/10th gee it can operate over a week and fly throughout the inner solar system. At 1/100th gee the vehicle can operate 80 days and span the solar system. In an atmosphere it can use the alpha stream to heat the air it finds and use it as a working fluid in a combustionless jet - operating at very low power levels. Thus the vehicle operates like a vtol fighter in the atmospheres of Earth, Mars, Venus, the outer planets, and moons with atmospheres. The oxygen produced by the separation of oxygen and hydrogen from water is sufficient to support a crew of 6 even at 1/200th gee. A small quanity of hydrogen is cycled through fuel cells to recreate water, to power the cabin systems. Spare oxygen is dumped for evaprative cooling. Propusive systems like this produced in quantity, would sell for about $100 per square meter - about $32,000 - if they are to be used as commonly as automobiles. This means that a square cm costs a penny. Since 100 sq cm produces over 2GW this means 1 sq cm produces 20 MW!!! A sq mm producs 200 kW!!! And 100 of them cost a penny!!! At 1/1000th output each sq mm produces 2kW - enough to run a house - and last 1 million seconds - or 11.6 days. A penny pack would power a home for 3 years!!! Of course, they'd sell for more than a hundred for a penny. The 8.54 MeV alpha particle could easily be converted to electrical power. A 10 cm nanotube like structure that the collimated alpha particles enter is equipped with structured electric fields that cause the particles to wiggle. And the wiggler changes spacing as the alpha particles slow, so that a constant output is produced. A short segment of material exists at the exhaust plane of the propulsive skin described earlier to extract power for the 160 KeV injector. In power applications this is extended to extract all the kinetic energy from the alpha particles. This results in a powerful IR laser beam operating at 1100 nm. This laser beam falls on a bandgap matched Silicon PV device 1 sq mm in area. 2 kW per sq mm is 20,000x solar intensity. 400 junctions operate in series reducing parasitic heating 16,000x - conversion efficiency is 98% - which means 40 W thermal is generated for a 2 kW power cell. The PV and power handling equipment costs 1/10th cent per cell. So, for power application you only get 9 per penny. Since 1,100 nm is shortwave IR energy, letting the IR energy fall on a hollow tapered rod of tungten will provide radiant heat - and depending on surface area (length and diameter of rod) and power level incandescent lighting. Power output ranges over 6 orders of magnitude by varying injection rates from 1,000 per second to 1 billion per second - across each sq mm. So power output ranges from 2 kW to 2 milliwatts -Longevity ranges from 11.6 days to 3,000 years for each 5 cm long rod. A 1 sq cm collection consisting of 100 units 15 cm long costing 11 cents can power a 285 hp electric automobile for two weeks or more depending on average power rating. Clearly technology like this could remake life on Earth. Small appliances could provide energy for every toy, appliance, electronic device, vehicle, home, office, factory, equipment, on demand. Every kg of boron produces the equivalent of 11,000 bbls of oil worth of energy. The world would need 20 kg of boron a day to meet ALL of its energy needs. The world produces 421,284.8 kg of boron-11 each day. So, there is plenty of boron-11 to go around. Everyone consuming energy at current US per capita rate would increase consumption to 220 kg boron per day. Everyone having their own personal VTOL spaceship in their garage to fly around the world in minutes, to the moon in hours and to Mars in days, would increase boron consumption to about 4,000 kg per day - or about 1% of current production. Global economic output is approximately $65 trillion per year and energy consumption is about $1.8 trillion per year. Increasing this 100 fold implies energy consumption of $180 trillion per year and a human economy of $1.3 quadrillion per year. At a selling price of 10 penny per watt - an today's consumption of 16 TW - implies $1.6 trillion in infrastructure - a disposable system that lasted about a year is implied by these numbers. Growing to 100x this figure. With an economic growth rate of 7% per year, a 100 fold increase in economic activity would take; LN(100)/LN(1.07) = 68.06 years So, by 2075 AD starting today To reach the current per capita level of the average American requires LN(11)/LN(1.07) = 35.44 years Or 2042. Since population growth rate is inversely proportional to per capita income, and since the US today has a negative population growth rate (not counting immigration) we can estimate global population by assuming it is today's rate until US per capita income is reached. This step function will over-estimate the total, so we divide the increase by two as a first-order approximation, so here goes; Global population today is 6.52 billion and growth rate is 1.14% per year. So, Population estimate at ZPG = 6.52e+9 * (1.0114)^(35.44) = 9.74e+9 This is an increase of 3.22 billion. Dividing this by two obtains 1.61 billion increase. Thus by 2042 given development and broad use of this technology to bring about a 7% growth rate each year (nearly doubling today's economic growth rate) population would stabilize at 8.13 billion people. Delays in implementation increases population and dlays the point in time ZPG is reached. But generally 10 billion people max by 2050 with everyone at current US per capita income is a worthy and achievable target for today's and future industrialists Thrown into the bargain is the ability to travel throughout the world and the solar system with the same ease the average American travels across North America. |
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Williamknowsbest wrote:
Consider the reaction; p + 11B --- 3 4He + 8.54 MeV It requires that the protium and boron-11 be united with an energy of 123 KeV. Basically, take some Boron-11 toss it in the air, and hit it dead center with a proton travelling at 5 km/sec. Out will fly 3 Helium-4 nucleii at 12,000 km/sec! I envision a nano-structured propulsive skin that consists of a layer of water, a nanoscale hydrogen processing surface that electrolyzes the water and ionizes the hydrogen, leaving oxygen gas. Then there's a 160 KV accelerator gap that accelerates the protons to the needed speed of 5 km/sec injecting them into the fusion system. Do you have a working model? Sylvia. |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:11:27 +1100, Sylvia Else
wrote: Williamknowsbest wrote: Consider the reaction; p + 11B --- 3 4He + 8.54 MeV It requires that the protium and boron-11 be united with an energy of 123 KeV. Basically, take some Boron-11 toss it in the air, and hit it dead center with a proton travelling at 5 km/sec. Out will fly 3 Helium-4 nucleii at 12,000 km/sec! I envision a nano-structured propulsive skin that consists of a layer of water, a nanoscale hydrogen processing surface that electrolyzes the water and ionizes the hydrogen, leaving oxygen gas. Then there's a 160 KV accelerator gap that accelerates the protons to the needed speed of 5 km/sec injecting them into the fusion system. Do you have a working model? Does the vision of it in his head count? |
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On Mar 2, 9:11 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
Williamknowsbest wrote: Consider the reaction; p + 11B --- 3 4He + 8.54 MeV It requires that the protium and boron-11 be united with an energy of 123 KeV. Basically, take some Boron-11 toss it in the air, and hit it dead center with a proton travelling at 5 km/sec. Out will fly 3 Helium-4 nucleii at 12,000 km/sec! I envision a nano-structured propulsive skin that consists of a layer of water, a nanoscale hydrogen processing surface that electrolyzes the water and ionizes the hydrogen, leaving oxygen gas. Then there's a 160 KV accelerator gap that accelerates the protons to the needed speed of 5 km/sec injecting them into the fusion system. Do you have a working model? Haha.. I said I 'envision' what does that suggest? lol. Bits and pieces darlin' bits and pieces. The Farnsworth fusor suggested the injector design. Photonic crystals suggested how to manage the flow of ions so that thermal effects and scattering losses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor http://ab-initio.mit.edu/photons/tutorial/ Here instead of photonic crystal fibers, we have particulate crystal fibers - that interact with high speed particles along their length to reduce the temperature of the particles lateral to the fiber's length whilst maintaining the bulk of the energy ALONG the fiber length http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:P...r-from-NRL.jpg In essence what happens is that the boron-11 nucleus and the proton are aligned to about 0.01 angrstrom resolution whilst moving at high velocities relative to one another. What I have made looks like and x-ray tube with bits and pieces in it. I have taken an x-ray power supply at 160 KeV and accelerated protons toward a photonic crystal using an electrode made of narrow thin guage tubing brazed together. This 'channelizer' is used to narrow the angular dispersion of the resulting protons. The 'channelized' protons are further channeled by the particulate crystal fibers. These are merely photonic crystal fibers that are exposed to channelized streams of particulate matter. I have some plans to dope these fibers so that they operate more efficiently with the charged protons. This produces a highly collimated beam of protons that are spatially well defined in the x-y plane. This can be proven by scattering the proton beam off a crystal and looking at the scattering pattern. That's where I am. Problems - lots of problems! lol. Solving the problems is what its all about, and gives you patent rights as well if done properly. Basically, the photonic crystal erodes with time. Doping should help this, and staged acceleration - rather than channellizing after the particles are fully accelerated. That's what the original electrode was all about. And this should reproduce a well defined beam in a device that lasts longer. I have built a similar device that works with boron. This uses a boron evaporator to create boron vapor. I work with ALL isotopes of bron. So that limits the life cycle. And the photonic crystal due to the higher mass of the boron - and the higher temps we start out with, are less effective AND longevity is dramatically reduced. Specifically, haha, I couldn't get as clear results in the crystallographic experiment with the Boron device that I got with the scattered protons. Basically I want to measure the spacing of the channelized beams in the x-y plane and get them to 1/100th angrstrom resolution - with the same spacing and so forth. Then use this crystallographic signal to align two beams fired at one another. This using a microscope like stage to adjust one crystal relative to the other - and do final adjustments with piezocrystals. Then, fire the two well-defined beams at one another and look for alpha particles! haha.. The idea of orienting travel so both nuclei travel in the same direction is at present an idea. The idea of orienting spin of the nuclei to control the phase space of the decay products, is as yet an idea. The idea of controlling precisely when the atoms enter the tube so their precies point of contact is well defined - all using a MEMs device is as yet an idea. But, successfully adding these ideas to the mix should eliminate the erosion problem, and allow studies to be conducted in how to organize the reaction products to produce useful effects, producing heat light, thrust, electricity and so forth... The idea of using a multi-junction PV cell and a wiggler to power the injector is at present highly speculative. Free Electron Lasers have been built and tested http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_electron_laser The idea here is to adapt photonic crystal fibers into particulate crystal fibers that achieve a photonic crystal-like wiggler for 8.54 MeV alpha particles!!! haha.. Its hard enough with lasers that are 1/8000th the mass! lol. Of course with tiny linear dimensions it might be interesting - and is a way I will be going further down the road. Silicon at room temp - or a little higher - has about 1.2 V per junction. 125,000 junctions in series would produce 150 KV. A wiggler that produced 1 micron wavelength photons and then deflected them away from the path of the alpha particles very slightly, so that PV cells caught the IR photons but let the alpha particles pass! would be ideal. But again this is highly speculative at present. A 1 sq mm area with 1 million channels spaced 1 um apart - would possess PV cells that would collect IR photons one photon at a time, and produced 1.2 V - these 1 million PV cells would be wired into 8 separate circuits - producing 150 KV and that energy would go back to feed the injector described. This is highly speculative. But doable in my opinion. The power levels even in this approach are 1/10,000th that in my example - so, we're talking $100s per watt, NOT pennies per watt! lol. Still we learn by doing and this is a clear program of development. This is still much lighter weight than an x-ray power supply plugged into the wall! haha.. And allows the addition of a power output stage as a natural extension of the product. So, even at $100 per watt, if the system is scalable, and provides decades of fusion power - it would make a nice deep space fusion power supply for satellites and even manned systems. And building a handful of products each year would give us skills to move forwaard with more powerful systems and reduce costs to below $5 per watt - which would make it economic. Of course at pennies per watt, we're operating at currents and power densities high enough to support direct propulsive uses off Earth's surface. But even in the lower applications, with 3 or 4 milligees continuous thrust - deep space applicaitons are possible. Again, this is highly speculative - but the early results are promising. |
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Williamknowsbest wrote:
Basically, take some Boron-11 toss it in the air, and hit it dead center with a proton travelling at 5 km/sec. Out will fly 3 Helium-4 nucleii at 12,000 km/sec! At 5 km/s, the energy of a proton is about .13 eV. At this low energy, the probability of fusion is negligibly small, even if the proton is aimed directly at the boron nucleus (as almost all will not be in a real system). Perhaps you should check your arithmetic before posting such things. Paul |
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On Mar 3, 12:28 pm, "Paul F. Dietz" wrote:
Williamknowsbest wrote: Basically, take some Boron-11 toss it in the air, and hit it dead center with a proton travelling at 5 km/sec. Out will fly 3 Helium-4 nucleii at 12,000 km/sec! At 5 km/s, the energy of a proton is about .13 eV. At this low energy, the probability of fusion is negligibly small, even if the proton is aimed directly at the boron nucleus (as almost all will not be in a real system). Perhaps you should check your arithmetic before posting such things. Paul Hmm.. did I get the numbers wrong? Paul I can always count on you! Why yes, I meant to type 500 km/sec - don't know where the 2 zeros went! lol. Numbers and words get shifted around when I post here. It must be the excitement of it all! haha.. Check it out; You can see for yourself what's going on; An electron volt is a tiny unit of energy; 1 eV = 1.6e-16 Joules and the mass of a proton is is a tiny unit of mass; 1 u = 1.66e-27 kg And discounting relativisitc effects we have; E = 1/2 M * V^2 / 1.66e-16 And V is 500 km/sec So, E = 1/2 * 1.66e-27 kg * (500,000)^2 / 1.66e-16 = 130,000 eV = 130 KeV Since a proton has a unit charge passing it through a potential difference of 130 KV yields particles with the requisite energy. Basically I use an x-ray power supply at 160 KV - since Boron-11 and protium require 123 KeV closing speed to reliably fuse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_...11B_fuel_cycle My experimental apparatus could be considered a structured plasma sort of device. A variant of focused fusion - this structured fusor is sort of like a gunslinger in the old West - who tosses a quarter in the air and shoots a hole clean through it in flight! lol. So, basically I apply the same X-ray power supply to my boron-11 and hydrogen beam forming devices. So, I get somewhere near 160 KeV for the proton and about half that for the boron since it is mostly doubly charged. Directing the beams toward one another adds their energies - regardless of what their speeds are. I've described where I am in my research program elsewhere. |
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![]() Perhaps you should check your arithmetic before posting such things. Paul Dropping a few zeros in a typgraphical error is par for the course on usenet. Thanks for catching it. |
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On Mar 2, 9:02 pm, "Williamknowsbest" wrote:
Consider the reaction; p + 11B --- 3 4He + 8.54 MeV It requires that the protium and boron-11 be united with an energy of 123 KeV. Basically, take some Boron-11 toss it in the air, and hit it dead center with a proton travelling at 5 km/sec. Out will fly 3 Helium-4 nucleii at 12,000 km/sec! I envision a nano-structured propulsive skin that consists of a layer of water, a nanoscale hydrogen processing surface that electrolyzes the water and ionizes the hydrogen, leaving oxygen gas. Then there's a 160 KV accelerator gap that accelerates the protons to the needed speed of 5 km/sec injecting them into the fusion system. The protons enter a photonic-like crystal to control the flow of particles giving precise control to the desired collision with the Boron-11. These crystal rods - which have a nanotube like structure at their center, penetrate a boron layer. Another nanoscale surface processes the Boron-11 and ejects atoms one at a time, injecting them at 0.5 km/sec into the same tube. Despite their high speed along the length of the tube, the nanotube structure reduces their temperature relative to one another. Basically, their centers are co-located to within 0.01 angstroms despite their high closing speed along the length of the tube. Also, strong electret based fields along the length of the nanotube like structgure orient the spin of the nuclei so that when the two nucleii interact, the plane of high probability decay is well defined and the directions of the emitted particles are controlled.. Nanostructures -again similar to photonic crystals- accept these particles and redirect their energy so they are all collimated with very little energy loss while imparting momentum to the entire structure. Imagine a 10 cm x 10 cm panel 10 cm thick. There is a 2.33 cm thick layer of water massing 233 grams capable of producing. 25.8 grams. A 3 cm thick layer of boron-11 penetrated with nanoscale tubes every micrometer, contains 284 grams of boron-11. The rest of the nanoscale structure masses 1 kg and carries out the processes on a nanoscale just described. The final surface has a beam of highly collimated alpha particles travelling at 12,000 km/sec.. At peak power output the accelerator is 40 MW and it produces a jet with a 2.3 GW power rating producing 35 kg of thrust across 100 sq cm - at this level of thrust the system operates 10,000 seconds. A vehicle with a propulsive skin totalling 320 sq m and weighing 14,000 kg can pull over 8 gees at full thrust. At 1 gee it can operate 1 day. At 1/10th gee it can operate over a week and fly throughout the inner solar system. At 1/100th gee the vehicle can operate 80 days and span the solar system. In an atmosphere it can use the alpha stream to heat the air it finds and use it as a working fluid in a combustionless jet - operating at very low power levels. Thus the vehicle operates like a vtol fighter in the atmospheres of Earth, Mars, Venus, the outer planets, and moons with atmospheres. The oxygen produced by the separation of oxygen and hydrogen from water is sufficient to support a crew of 6 even at 1/200th gee. A small quanity of hydrogen is cycled through fuel cells to recreate water, to power the cabin systems. Spare oxygen is dumped for evaprative cooling. Propusive systems like this produced in quantity, would sell for about $100 per square meter - about $32,000 - if they are to be used as commonly as automobiles. This means that a square cm costs a penny. Since 100 sq cm produces over 2GW this means 1 sq cm produces 20 MW!!! A sq mm producs 200 kW!!! And 100 of them cost a penny!!! At 1/1000th output each sq mm produces 2kW - enough to run a house - and last 1 million seconds - or 11.6 days. A penny pack would power a home for 3 years!!! Of course, they'd sell for more than a hundred for a penny. The 8.54 MeV alpha particle could easily be converted to electrical power. A 10 cm nanotube like structure that the collimated alpha particles enter is equipped with structured electric fields that cause the particles to wiggle. And the wiggler changes spacing as the alpha particles slow, so that a constant output is produced. A short segment of material exists at the exhaust plane of the propulsive skin described earlier to extract power for the 160 KeV injector. In power applications this is extended to extract all the kinetic energy from the alpha particles. This results in a powerful IR laser beam operating at 1100 nm. This laser beam falls on a bandgap matched Silicon PV device 1 sq mm in area. 2 kW per sq mm is 20,000x solar intensity. 400 junctions operate in series reducing parasitic heating 16,000x - conversion efficiency is 98% - which means 40 W thermal is generated for a 2 kW power cell. The PV and power handling equipment costs 1/10th cent per cell. So, for power application you only get 9 per penny. Since 1,100 nm is shortwave IR energy, letting the IR energy fall on a hollow tapered rod of tungten will provide radiant heat - and depending on surface area (length and diameter of rod) and power level incandescent lighting. Power output ranges over 6 orders of magnitude by varying injection rates from 1,000 per second to 1 billion per second - across each sq mm. So power output ranges from 2 kW to 2 milliwatts -Longevity ranges from 11.6 days to 3,000 years for each 5 cm long rod. A 1 sq cm collection consisting of 100 units 15 cm long costing 11 cents can power a 285 hp electric automobile for two weeks or more depending on average power rating. Clearly technology like this could remake life on Earth. Small appliances could provide energy for every toy, appliance, electronic device, vehicle, home, office, factory, equipment, on demand. Every kg of boron produces the equivalent of 11,000 bbls of oil worth of energy. The world would need 20 kg of boron a day to meet ALL of its energy needs. The world produces 421,284.8 kg of boron-11 each day. So, there is plenty of boron-11 to go around. Everyone consuming energy at current US per capita rate would increase consumption to 220 kg boron per day. Everyone having their own personal VTOL spaceship in their garage to fly around the world in minutes, to the moon in hours and to Mars in days, would increase boron consumption to about 4,000 kg per day - or about 1% of current production. Global economic output is approximately $65 trillion per year and energy consumption is about $1.8 trillion per year. Increasing this 100 fold implies energy consumption of $180 trillion per year and a human economy of $1.3 quadrillion per year. At a selling price of 10 penny per watt - an today's consumption of 16 TW - implies $1.6 trillion in infrastructure - a disposable system that lasted about a year is implied by these numbers. Growing to 100x this figure. With an economic growth rate of 7% per year, a 100 fold increase in economic activity would take; LN(100)/LN(1.07) = 68.06 years So, by 2075 AD starting today To reach the current per capita level of the average American requires LN(11)/LN(1.07) = 35.44 years Or 2042. Since population growth rate is inversely proportional to per capita income, and since the US today has a negative population growth rate (not counting immigration) we can estimate global population by assuming it is today's rate until US per capita income is reached. This step function will over-estimate the total, so we divide the increase by two as a first-order approximation, so here goes; Global population today is 6.52 billion and growth rate is 1.14% per year. So, Population estimate at ZPG = 6.52e+9 * (1.0114)^(35.44) = 9.74e+9 This is an increase of 3.22 billion. Dividing this by two obtains 1.61 billion increase. Thus by 2042 given development and broad use of this technology to bring about a 7% growth rate each year (nearly doubling today's economic growth rate) population would stabilize at 8.13 billion people. Delays in implementation increases population and dlays the point in time ZPG is reached. But generally 10 billion people max by 2050 with everyone at current US per capita income is a worthy and achievable target for today's and future industrialists Thrown into the bargain is the ability to travel throughout the world and the solar system with the same ease the average American travels across North America. The proton is fired at the 11B at 500 km/sec not 5 km/sec since fusion requires at least 123 KeV collision. Metaboric acid in beta phase with depleted boron with a density of 2.045 g/cc and a melting point of 201 C has a formula of HBO2 - can act as a propellant in the system described. Each cc has a potential energy of 40 GJ - equal to 335 gallons of gasoline! A MEMs based system admits the metaboric acid into it and decomposes it into Hydrogen, Boron and oxygen. The oxygen is gathered into a header system collected and used for breathing as described before. The Boron is ejected first by the MEMs system across a 300KV gap into the photonic crystal fiber at 228 km/sec. The proton is ejected next and it enters the fiber at 750 km/sec behind the boron. The proton strikes the boron in excess of 500 km/sec. The position of the strike along the line of travel is determined by the timing of the two release events. In this simplified systems the alpha particles are produced in a spherically symmetric pattern at a well defined point along their mutual line of travel. Scattering of the alpha particles off the surface produces thrust. Imagine a 10 cm long channel and detonation 10 cm beyond the end of this channel. A total travel of 20 cm. At 228 km/sec it takes the boron atom 877 nanoseconds to traverse this distance. It takes the proton 267 nanoseconds. So releasing the proton precisely 610 ns after the boron nucleus across this 300KV gap produces a reaction 20 cm from the release point - 10 cm outside the 10 cm long channel. A 1 micrometer diameter channel, allows 1 million channels per square mm. At 1 million cycles per second that's 1 trillion reactions per second per square mm. And at 8.54 MeV per reaction this is an energy density of; 1 eV = 1.6e-19 J 1e+12 reactions per sq mm 8.54e+6 eV per reaction So, 8.54e+18 eV per second * 1.6e-19 J/ev = 1.36 Watts per sq mm. That's 136 Watts per sq cm That's 1.36 MW per sq m. This is about 1/20,000th that needed to produce the levels of thrust called for in the previous example. Although it would make a handy power system, Reducing the diameter of the channels to 10 nm each, and multiplying the atomic injectors on the MEMs surface to match this, increases the reaction rate 10,000x - or 13.6 kW per sq mm, 1.36 MW per sq cm, and 13.6 GW per sq m Reducing the lengths of the channels to 5 cm and the offset from the surface to 5 cm, produces the power levels called for in the first example. Changing the injection rate of the nuclei changes power output. If 8 gees is 2,000,000 cps then 1 gee would be 250,000 cps. 1/10th gee 25,000 cps. 1/100th gee 2,500 1/200th gee 1,250 cps Low levels of thrust through interplanetary space produce audible feedback through the structure. Scattering causes heating effects and regions of the propulsive surface to glow. Operation in air causes halo glow. A well designed craft would use atmospheric effects to sustain lift at very low power settings. |
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Williamknowsbest wrote:
The proton strikes the boron in excess of 500 km/sec. Your scheme can't work, for a fairly basic reason. Most of the protons will not be aimed squarely at boron nuclei. Nuclei are *tiny*, with a radius about 100,000 times smaller than an atom. So most of the time the protons will go whizzing through the electrons around the nucleus and not fuse. In doing so they lose energy to ionization and scattering of the electrons. The rate at which the protons will lose energy to the electrons will be much, much higher than the rate at which fusion will occur. You cannot get net energy production from any such system. Even DT fusion can't achieve breakeven in such a scheme. Paul |
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On Mar 4, 6:42 pm, "Paul F. Dietz" wrote:
Williamknowsbest wrote: The proton strikes the boron in excess of 500 km/sec. Your scheme can't work, for a fairly basic reason. Most of the protons will not be aimed squarely at boron nuclei. Evidence is required for any statement. I assume throughout that the protons ARE aimed squarely at boron nuclei. If this assumption cannot be backed up by experimental evidence, then the system cannot work. If it can be backed up - then the system has a shot. Nuclei are *tiny*, with a radius about 100,000 times smaller than an atom. Its all a function of how accurately aligned you get things. You have a 1/r^2 columbic repulsive force, and an exponentially increasing strong force as a function of radius. The diameter of atoms are on the order of angstroms (100,000 fermi) The diameter of nuclei are on the order of fermis. So you're right. http://dl.clackamas.cc.or.us/ch104-07/atomic_size.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_nucleus The diameter of a boron atom is about 88,000 fermis, and the strong force overcomes repulsion at about 2.5 fermis - generally, but Boron-11 is a halo nucleus, so its strong force exceeds columbic forces when the radisu is around 9 fermis. So, we're talking about an accuracy of 0.00009 angstroms. I said I can reliably get fusion if I'm 'dead on' with an accuracy of 0.01 angstroms, or 1,000 fermis - 100x the error that this analysis indicates is possible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internucleon_force So, in a classical sense you've got to be very accurate. Is it possible to position a nucleus THAT accurately? I don't know. That's a question that subject to experimental investigation. But what this analysis is missing is the ability of nuclei to tunnel across very small distances in very short times. Tunneling probabilty goes up as the exponent of distance. Electron tunneling is the basis of a lot of electronics and that occurs on a scale far larger than atoms. Nuclear tunneling is the basis of muonic fusion and it occurs on a scale of about 0.1 angstroms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion I'm presuming two things; 1) That accuracies that allow the proton and boron-11 nucleus to approach the distance possible with muonic catalyzed reactions (1/100th angstrom) are sufficient to initiate fusion (there is some evidence this is over-kill) 2) That accuracies possible with mechanical transports in atomic force microscopes (1/100th Angstrom) are possible to achieve with two collinearly moving nuclei in a crystal fiber channel. Again, I don't know that this is possible, but these considerations make it seem like a reasonable experiment to carry out. That is, I have achieved my desired goal with protons, and I am working on doing this reliably with boron. I will then fire these at each other, with an energy of 320 KeV (fired at one another) and measure the alpha production that results. So most of the time the protons will go whizzing through the electrons around the nucleus and not fuse. Its all a function of the distance they reach relative to one another before they begin moving apart again. Draw a line between the two nuclei - if they approach dead on accurately, they will reach a radius well below 9 fermis and the strong force will take over and they will fuse. This is classical. There is a tube around this line where they will approach within 2.5 nm and fuse. This accuracy as you pointed out is around 3 fermis radius around this central line. This is 1/30,000th Angstrom, not 1/100th Angstrom I said previously. However, there is a tunneling effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunneling That combined with the experimental results of muonic fusion suggest that measureable rates of fusion might be possible with accuracies of 1/100th angstrom. Building an apparatus as described and doing the experiment I describe will provide sufficient data to see whether or not this is possible. Saying that what I propose is not possible based on the analysis you have offered is premature and incomplete and does not take the evidence of muon catalyzed fusion and tunnelling effects into account. In doing so they lose energy to ionization and scattering of the electrons. Scattering is a function of 1/R only - the more accurately the two nuclei are aligned the less they scatter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scattering_amplitude The question is, are you even right when you say you have to have accuracies of fermis for this process to work? On the order of 1 barn? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_cross_section Well, with closing speeds of 500 km/sec - which is 1/600th the speed of light, and the large cross section of the Boron nucleus, AND the effects of tunneling as the proton passes by, suggests that accuracies of 1/100th angstrom, or 1,000 fermis, a cross section for THIS reaction (11B+p -- 3 4He) is around 1 million barns at minimum closing speeds. I believe it possible with the experimental appratus I'm using (very long channelizers approx 1 meter) its possible to achieve 100 fermi accuracy. With 1 million channels per sq mm - and accurate measurement of proton and boron spacing - it should be possible to calculate the reaction cross section by measuring the alpha flux of two opposed beams. .. The rate at which the protons will lose energy to the electrons will be much, much higher than the rate at which fusion will occur. I agree that a high degree of spatial control is necessary for nuclear reactions to take place. Absolutely. Generally speaking it is assumed that random variations in spatial positions are far far larger than required for fusion to occur. This leads to thermal sorts of analysis and leads us to the lawson criterion for fusionj based on a hot plasma or gas that loses energy by radiation and has energy added by fusion events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_criterion My only contribution is to ask the question, is this assumption that we can never control the spatial relations of the reactants to the degree required even right? The experiment I describe is the first step down this path. As far as I know no one has ever suggested that such spatial control be attempted. For good and obvious reasons you dully repeat here. However, recent advances in photonic crystal technology, and adapting crystal fibers to channel nuclei along the lines I've described, suggest we can get collinearity between 1,000 fermis and 100 fermis - and if we have a reaction cross section of 10,000 barns to 1,000,000 barns at 130 KeV to 300 KeV for this reaction (p + 11B -- 3 4He) Then we should get some sort of alpha particle signature that will tell us what sort of engineering targets must be achieved to make a practical system, or even if a practical system is possible. You cannot get net energy production from any such system. It depends totally on what evidence exists for the reaction cross section. If due to tunnelling effects it is on the order of 10,000 barns or more, the system I describe is feasible. If such effects do not exist and the reaction cross section is 100 barns or less, the system I describe is likely not feasible. Even DT fusion can't achieve breakeven in such a scheme. You proceed from an erroneous analysis - I think youwill agree its all a matter of reaction cross section. Yes, a proton is 1.6 fermis in diameter. That means total cross section is 32 barns according to the analysis you would have us follow. A very tiny corridor to hit for fusion to take place. However, muons allow deutrium nuclei to get within 580 fermis of each other- and they cause fusion to take place. This suggests that tunneling effects increase the cross section of D-D fusion to a figure of 4,227,000 barns!!!! What if the 11-Boron and proton have this high a cross section? We'll get nearly unity output with 1,000 fermi resolution of colinearity - that is nearly 100% of all nuclei will fuse and very few will scatter! I won't know until I carry out the experiment. When I do I will have a measure of cross section. If I do get nearly unity output - that is 100% of the elements fuse, I have a means to electromagnetically defocus the proton beam to measure alpha production fall off with increasing error - to get engineering data on a practical system. Of course if only 1 in a billion nuclei fuse with 100 fermi resolution, the cross section will be far smaller than even you suggest. Even so, accurate measurement of all aspects of this experiment will measure this cross section under these conditions and demonstrate conclusively what you say here without evidence. -Bill |
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