NASA Misses the Mark

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JAS


"Steve Dufour" wrote in message
m...
NASA misses the mark


By Dana Rohrabacher




As a member of the House Science Subcommittee on Space and
Aeronautics for 15 years, [ Nothing of value snipped. }

Rohrabacher is a fool.

During my last two years on active duty, I was the deputy director of an
organization in the Pentagon and I frequently escorted intelligence analysts
from our organization to provide one-on-one briefings to members of
Congress. One day I accompanied an analyst to brief Rohrabacher on a topic
on which Rohrabacher had been spreading nonsense and foolishness in his
speeches. The truth was vastly different from what Rohrabacher was saying.

When we started the briefing, he stopped the analyst and proceeded to berate
and curse at him because what the analyst was saying was not what
Rohrabacher wanted to hear. I stopped the briefing and dismissed the
analyst. I then told Rohrabacher that we were representatives of the
Secretary of Defense and we would not be treated in the demeaning manner he
was treating the analyst -- told him we would return when he was ready to
listen, and we left with him raging at me.

By the time we returned to the Pentagon, Rohrabacher had called the
Secretary's office and raised hell with his military assistance -- a general
officer. I was summoned to the general's office and was asked for my version
of events. It turned out that this was a typical Rohrabacher stunt. I
asked the general if I would be disciplined for walking out on a member of
Congress -- he laughed and said that more than likely I'd get a medal.

My favorite aspect of Rohrabacher's charade is the big sign on his
Congressional office wall: "Fighting for freedom and having fun!" This
from a man who spent the Vietnam War with a student deferment, surfing on
the Southern California beaches.

Just another Republican asshole liar.


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JAS

"JAS" wrote in message ...

My favorite aspect of Rohrabacher's charade is the big sign on his
Congressional office wall: "Fighting for freedom and having fun!" This
from a man who spent the Vietnam War with a student deferment, surfing on
the Southern California beaches.

Just another Republican asshole liar.

There seems to be quite a few of them out there right now. They were
probably always hinding before but a couple years of republican
prominence has allowed them to shed their previously prinicipled
stands that kept them alive during the dem-dominated era. Truth be
told, a lot of formerly stauch republicans (including myself) are
really starting to get disgusted with the current state of the party,
but by occupying the wacko left, the dems have left us no choice but
to grit our teeth and support morons like Rohrabacher because he's
better than the alternative. (Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi) Until the
Dems get their house in order and start coming towards the middle
again, the republicans will be invincible.

Tom Merkle

James White wrote:
Rand Simberg
Sorry, hate to break it to you, but earth orbit is in space.


Are you really serious or is that tiny semantic quibble the most you could
understand--or not.

Well, I'm afraid that it isn't really a "tiny semantic quibble". In general
usage in the space-flight community, earth-orbit is indeed considered "space",
as can be seen from the quoted page below:

From: http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/Academy.../BOUNDARY.HTML

"Where Does Space Begin?

Most people consider space to simply be the region above the Earth's
atmosphere. But, there is no tangible boundary because the atmosphere
gradually thins with increasing altitude. Traces of the gasses we breathe can
be found over 100 miles above the earth.

As a comparison, passenger jets cruise at an average altitude of only 30,000
feet (5.7 miles), and the best military jets have a hard time climbing above
100,000 feet (a little less than 19 miles).

So, how do we define where space begins? Many different definitions exist. The
United States awards astronaut status to anyone who flies above 50 miles in
altitude. Many flight engineers, dealing with the effects of friction and
heating of spacecraft due to atmospheric particles, define the boundary to be
at 400,000 feet (75.76 miles). They call this the "entry interface," the point
at which heating on reentry becomes observable.

Whichever definition you prefer, it is far, far above the level that humans
can breathe."

I too would like to see spaceflights back to the moon, but there is also room
for continuing space research in low-earth orbit. Clear skies to you.

--
David W. Knisely
Prairie Astronomy Club: http://www.prairieastronomyclub.org
Hyde Memorial Observatory: http://www.hydeobservatory.info/

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JAS ) wrote:

: "Steve Dufour" wrote in message
: m...
: NASA misses the mark
:
:
: By Dana Rohrabacher
:
:
:
:
: As a member of the House Science Subcommittee on Space and
: Aeronautics for 15 years, [ Nothing of value snipped. }

: Rohrabacher is a fool.

: During my last two years on active duty, I was the deputy director of an
: organization in the Pentagon and I frequently escorted intelligence analysts
: from our organization to provide one-on-one briefings to members of
: Congress. One day I accompanied an analyst to brief Rohrabacher on a topic
: on which Rohrabacher had been spreading nonsense and foolishness in his
: speeches. The truth was vastly different from what Rohrabacher was saying.

: When we started the briefing, he stopped the analyst and proceeded to berate
: and curse at him because what the analyst was saying was not what
: Rohrabacher wanted to hear. I stopped the briefing and dismissed the
: analyst. I then told Rohrabacher that we were representatives of the
: Secretary of Defense and we would not be treated in the demeaning manner he
: was treating the analyst -- told him we would return when he was ready to
: listen, and we left with him raging at me.

: By the time we returned to the Pentagon, Rohrabacher had called the
: Secretary's office and raised hell with his military assistance -- a general
: officer. I was summoned to the general's office and was asked for my version
: of events. It turned out that this was a typical Rohrabacher stunt. I
: asked the general if I would be disciplined for walking out on a member of
: Congress -- he laughed and said that more than likely I'd get a medal.

: My favorite aspect of Rohrabacher's charade is the big sign on his
: Congressional office wall: "Fighting for freedom and having fun!" This
: from a man who spent the Vietnam War with a student deferment, surfing on
: the Southern California beaches.

: Just another Republican asshole liar.

Interesting post. It looks like Rohrabacher picked up where B-1 Bob Dornan
left off. Having JPL in is constituency base must make him feel like
saying something about NASA no matter how unqualified he his about saying
it.

If only Tom Merkle could get some of your experience he might have a
different outlook as well.

Eric

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Tom Merkle ) wrote:
: "JAS" wrote in message ...

: My favorite aspect of Rohrabacher's charade is the big sign on his
: Congressional office wall: "Fighting for freedom and having fun!" This
: from a man who spent the Vietnam War with a student deferment, surfing on
: the Southern California beaches.
:
: Just another Republican asshole liar.

: There seems to be quite a few of them out there right now. They were
: probably always hinding before but a couple years of republican
: prominence has allowed them to shed their previously prinicipled
: stands that kept them alive during the dem-dominated era. Truth be

YUou presume they were once principled.

: told, a lot of formerly stauch republicans (including myself) are
: really starting to get disgusted with the current state of the party,

No ****?! I thought you would defend the GOP until your last breath?

: but by occupying the wacko left, the dems have left us no choice but
: to grit our teeth and support morons like Rohrabacher because he's
: better than the alternative. (Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi) Until the
: Dems get their house in order and start coming towards the middle
: again, the republicans will be invincible.

Heed your own comments.

Eric

: Tom Merkle

(Eric Chomko) wrote in message ...
Tom Merkle ) wrote:
: "JAS" wrote in message ...

: My favorite aspect of Rohrabacher's charade is the big sign on his
: Congressional office wall: "Fighting for freedom and having fun!" This
: from a man who spent the Vietnam War with a student deferment, surfing on
: the Southern California beaches.
:
: Just another Republican asshole liar.

: There seems to be quite a few of them out there right now. They were
: probably always hiding before but a couple years of republican
: prominence has allowed them to shed their previously prinicipled
: stands that kept them alive during the dem-dominated era. Truth be

YUou presume they were once principled.

You didn't score very well on the logic questions of the SAT, did you?
If I said that they shed previously 'principled stands,' that implies
that they were just that--stands designed to give the appearance of
good character, as opposed to actually acting on core principles. In
other words, I am basically saying that I was disappointed to discover
that there are as many unprincipled politicians among the Republicans
as there were among the Democrats when they were in charge. The only
difference in my mind now is the degree of profligacy. (Democrats
still take the cake fro throwing money around and wanting to raise
taxes.) Of course there are also many good, sincere people in both
parties, but they are not the people in power, and in the Democrat's
case, they tend to give in to the party without even speaking up.

Don't worry. There will be a serious house cleaning after another
disasterous November for Democrats next year.


: told, a lot of formerly stauch republicans (including myself) are
: really starting to get disgusted with the current state of the party,

No ****?! I thought you would defend the GOP until your last breath?

I'm not interested in Republicanism, it's conservatism that I want to
defend. A concept that appears to be diverging from the Republican
party line. I wish John McCain, John Edwards, Henry Ford (of
Tennessee, not Detroit), Zuell Miller and other politicians who are
willing to buck their party on the basis of conservative principle
would split to form an alternative..

Tom Merkle

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:32:12 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:


Interesting post. It looks like Rohrabacher picked up where B-1 Bob Dornan
left off. Having JPL in is constituency base must make him feel like
saying something about NASA no matter how unqualified he his about saying
it.

And you feel like saying things about Rohrabacher regardless of how
ignorant you are of the location of his district.

On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:20:30 -0500, "JAS"
wrote:

By Dana Rohrabacher




As a member of the House Science Subcommittee on Space and
Aeronautics for 15 years, [ Nothing of value snipped. }

My favorite aspect of Rohrabacher's charade is the big sign on his
Congressional office wall: "Fighting for freedom and having fun!" This
from a man who spent the Vietnam War with a student deferment, surfing on
the Southern California beaches.

B-1 Bob Dornan is going to be running against him in the next
election. Dornan lost to a Latina Democrat (in Orange County!), so
he's been looking for a safe Republican district. I don't know why or
how he picked Rohrabacher's district, but he apparently did.

So much for the Eleventh Commandment.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

Tom Merkle ) wrote:
: (Eric Chomko) wrote in message ...
: Tom Merkle ) wrote:
: : "JAS" wrote in message ...
:
: : My favorite aspect of Rohrabacher's charade is the big sign on his
: : Congressional office wall: "Fighting for freedom and having fun!" This
: : from a man who spent the Vietnam War with a student deferment, surfing on
: : the Southern California beaches.
: :
: : Just another Republican asshole liar.
:
: : There seems to be quite a few of them out there right now. They were
: : probably always hiding before but a couple years of republican
: : prominence has allowed them to shed their previously prinicipled
: : stands that kept them alive during the dem-dominated era. Truth be
:
: YUou presume they were once principled.

: You didn't score very well on the logic questions of the SAT, did you?

Well enough to get into the University of Maryland that posts a better
academic standard than any military academy.

: If I said that they shed previously 'principled stands,' that implies
: that they were just that--stands designed to give the appearance of
: good character, as opposed to actually acting on core principles. In

W and this administration is all about appearances. The man wasn't that
good of a govenor in Texas.

: other words, I am basically saying that I was disappointed to discover
: that there are as many unprincipled politicians among the Republicans
: as there were among the Democrats when they were in charge. The only

At least! Whenever they start acting morally superior, they are trying to
hide something.

: difference in my mind now is the degree of profligacy. (Democrats
: still take the cake fro throwing money around and wanting to raise
: taxes.) Of course there are also many good, sincere people in both
: parties, but they are not the people in power, and in the Democrat's
: case, they tend to give in to the party without even speaking up.

I dunno. 9 running for the Dem nomination, I can't see them falling all
over themselves in vast agreement.

: Don't worry. There will be a serious house cleaning after another
: disasterous November for Democrats next year.

When one party get too much power, like now with the Repubs, count on
corruption. Eventually they will get caught. They gave us the Great
Depression and Watergate, according to the calendar we are due for another
party changing scandal soon.

: : told, a lot of formerly stauch republicans (including myself) are
: : really starting to get disgusted with the current state of the party,
:
: No ****?! I thought you would defend the GOP until your last breath?

: I'm not interested in Republicanism, it's conservatism that I want to
: defend. A concept that appears to be diverging from the Republican
: party line. I wish John McCain, John Edwards, Henry Ford (of
: Tennessee, not Detroit), Zuell Miller and other politicians who are
: willing to buck their party on the basis of conservative principle
: would split to form an alternative..

Conservatism has many forms too, though. The religious right has their
idea. The fiscal conservatives have their idea. And the progunners have
their idea. Which one are you?

Eric

: Tom Merkle

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:32:12 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my monitor
: glow in such a way as to indicate that:


: Interesting post. It looks like Rohrabacher picked up where B-1 Bob Dornan
: left off. Having JPL in is constituency base must make him feel like
: saying something about NASA no matter how unqualified he his about saying
: it.

: And you feel like saying things about Rohrabacher regardless of how
: ignorant you are of the location of his district.

Huntington Beach? Yeah you're right, not a single person that lives in
Orange County works at JPL. I stand corrected.

Eric