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This isn't a specific-Shuttle question, but since this group has a bit
more traffic than some of the other sci.space groups, and explosive bolts are still used (I think...) on Shuttle, I'll ask it here. Been watching some old NASA Mercury program footage that's available now on DVD. Last night I was watching the Little Joe launches. Great stuff! Some of the footage was of the manual build process for the boilerplate Mercury capsules tested with the various Little Joe launches. Anyway, at one point they showed a collar that held the boilerplate to the booster. And the voice-over of the footage didn't really discuss how the two separated. I assumed they used explosive bolts to hold the collar together, and that got me to wondering about exactly how explosive bolts work. Are they standard bolts like in other industries, but with some quantity of explosives attached to force them to fail at detonation? Or are they perhaps hollowed out and the explosive material is inside? I would figure that the first might not separate in all instances, and the second might be too prone to detonate at times of stress. So... all the experts that are he what's the exact nature of these essential components? Thanks in advance. |
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:04:43 -0700, Lobster Man
wrote: This isn't a specific-Shuttle question, but since this group has a bit more traffic than some of the other sci.space groups, and explosive bolts are still used (I think...) on Shuttle, I'll ask it here. Been watching some old NASA Mercury program footage that's available now on DVD. Last night I was watching the Little Joe launches. Great stuff! Some of the footage was of the manual build process for the boilerplate Mercury capsules tested with the various Little Joe launches. Anyway, at one point they showed a collar that held the boilerplate to the booster. And the voice-over of the footage didn't really discuss how the two separated. I assumed they used explosive bolts to hold the collar together, and that got me to wondering about exactly how explosive bolts work. Are they standard bolts like in other industries, but with some quantity of explosives attached to force them to fail at detonation? Or are they perhaps hollowed out and the explosive material is inside? I would figure that the first might not separate in all instances, and the second might be too prone to detonate at times of stress. So... all the experts that are he what's the exact nature of these essential components? [Rusty] Article detailing the use of explosive bolts by NASA: http://media.nasaexplores.com/lesson...ullarticle.pdf [/Rusty] OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:04:43 -0700, Lobster Man wrote: This isn't a specific-Shuttle question, but since this group has a bit more traffic than some of the other sci.space groups, and explosive bolts are still used (I think...) on Shuttle, I'll ask it here. Been watching some old NASA Mercury program footage that's available now on DVD. Last night I was watching the Little Joe launches. Great stuff! Some of the footage was of the manual build process for the boilerplate Mercury capsules tested with the various Little Joe launches. Anyway, at one point they showed a collar that held the boilerplate to the booster. And the voice-over of the footage didn't really discuss how the two separated. I assumed they used explosive bolts to hold the collar together, and that got me to wondering about exactly how explosive bolts work. Are they standard bolts like in other industries, but with some quantity of explosives attached to force them to fail at detonation? Or are they perhaps hollowed out and the explosive material is inside? I would figure that the first might not separate in all instances, and the second might be too prone to detonate at times of stress. So... all the experts that are he what's the exact nature of these essential components? [Rusty] Article detailing the use of explosive bolts by NASA: http://media.nasaexplores.com/lesson...ullarticle.pdf [/Rusty] OM Thanks! |
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"Lobster Man" wrote in message
news:LEIMg.4847$y61.4800@fed1read05... This isn't a specific-Shuttle question, but since this group has a bit more traffic than some of the other sci.space groups, and explosive bolts are still used (I think...) on Shuttle, I'll ask it here. So... all the experts that are he what's the exact nature of these essential components? Thanks in advance. In the case of the shuttle, I don't think its the bolt that explodes, I think its the nut holding that bolt that explodes, but I may be wrong. The engineering term is "frangible". Google on the following terms: Frangible Bolts, Frangible Nuts, Frangible hardware, "NASA Standard Initiator".....etc Many hardware items are frangible (designed to break in certain conditions) - for example, the approach lights at the end of most airport runways are mounted on frangible stanchions so that if an airliner is coming in too low and hits one with its landing gear, it will break the stanchion and not the airliner. Same for many of the sign posts and street lights next to highways. JD |
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Lobster Man wrote:
Thanks! For detailed info........ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Manual for Pyrotechnic Design, Development and Qualification Bement, Laurence J.; Schimmel, Morry L. NASA Langley Research Center Although pyrotechnic devices have been singularly responsible for the success of many of the critical mechanical functions in aerospace programs for over 30 years, ground and in-flight failures continue to occur. Subsequent investigations reveal that little or no quantitative information is available on measuring the effects on performance of system variables or on determining functional margins. Pyrotechnics are considered to be readily available; and, therefore, can be managed by any subsystem in which they are applied, such as structure, propulsion, electric power, or life support. The primary purpose of this manual is to alter the concept that the use of pyrotechnics is an art and refute 'justifications' that applications do not need to be understood by providing information on pyrotechnic design, development, and qualification on an engineering basis. Included are approaches to demonstrate functional reliability with less than 10 units, how to manage pyrotechnic-unique requirements, and methods to assure that the system isproperly assembled and will perform the required tasks. NASA-TM-110172 http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1995124937.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Report on Alternative Devices to Pyrotechnics on Spacecraft; 10th Annual AIAA/USU Conference on Small Satellites Lucy, M.; Hardy, R.; Kist, E.; Watson, J.; Wise, S. NASA Langley Research Center 2005-04-29T17:17:46Z; 2005-04-29T17:17:46Z; 1996-09-16; 1996-09-16; 1996-09-19 Pyrotechnics accomplish many functions on today's spacecraft, possessing minimum volume/weight, providing instantaneous operation on demand, and requiring little input energy. However, functional shock, safety, and overall system cost issues, combined with emergence and availability of new technologies question their continued use of space missions. http://library-dspace.larc.nasa.gov/...-10css-mhl.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Independent Orbiter Assessment (IOA): Assessment of the pyrotechnics subsystem Robinson, W. M. NASA Center for AeroSpace Information (CASI) NASA-CR-185531; NAS 1.26:185531; REPT-1.0-WP-VA88005-05 , 19880205; Feb 5, 1988 The results of the Independent Orbiter Assessment (IOA) of the Failure Modes and Effects Analysis (FMEA) and Critical Items List (CIL) are presented. The IOA effort first completed an analysis of the Pyrotechnics (PYRO) hardware, generating draft failure modes and potential critical items. To preserve independence, this analysis was accomplished without reliance upon the results contained within the NASA FMEA/CIL documentation. The IOA results were then compared to the NASA FMEA/CIL baseline with proposed Post 51-L updates included. A resolution of each discrepancy from the comparison is provided through additional analysis as required. This report documents the results of that comparison for the Orbiter Pyrotechnics hardware. Accession ID: 90N10946 Document ID: 19900001630 http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1990001630.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Rusty |
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![]() "Lobster Man" wrote in message news:LEIMg.4847$y61.4800@fed1read05... This isn't a specific-Shuttle question, but since this group has a bit more traffic than some of the other sci.space groups, and explosive bolts are still used (I think...) on Shuttle, I'll ask it here. Been watching some old NASA Mercury program footage that's available now on DVD. Last night I was watching the Little Joe launches. Great stuff! Some of the footage was of the manual build process for the boilerplate Mercury capsules tested with the various Little Joe launches. Anyway, at one point they showed a collar that held the boilerplate to the booster. And the voice-over of the footage didn't really discuss how the two separated. I assumed they used explosive bolts to hold the collar together, and that got me to wondering about exactly how explosive bolts work. Are they standard bolts like in other industries, but with some quantity of explosives attached to force them to fail at detonation? Or are they perhaps hollowed out and the explosive material is inside? I would figure that the first might not separate in all instances, and the second might be too prone to detonate at times of stress. So... all the experts that are he what's the exact nature of these essential components? Thanks in advance. -- Danny Dot wrote: One form of explosive "bolts" is the linear shaped charge. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge Imagine a long rectangular cross section of some type of explosive. Now cut a v shape down the length of the explosive. Now line the sides of the v with "anything" (copper, glass, etc.). When you fire the explosive the nature of the v shape is the lining material is melted and is expelled at very high velocity. Basically a cutting torch. This is used in the range safety devices to open the shuttles solid rocket boosters. NASA used to have a linear shape charge on the External Tank, but we took it off. This system was used in the F-111 escape system that took the crew cabin during an ejection. They are used in demolition to cut beams, etc. On a side note, the Japanese had a "Bonsai Sick" in WWII. It had a cylinder shaped charge on the end of a stick. It was employed by a person running up to the tank and poking the stick on the side of the tank. The shape charge would kill the tank, and the blast killed the person holding the stick. It is amazing we won the war against a country with that much will to fight!!! Look at my site and see how NASA treats a creative mind!!! The summary is "Not Very Well" :-) www.mobbinggonemad.org |
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![]() Rusty wrote: The guy to get going on this matter is Mr. Richard Katz. AKA- Mr. Stray Voltage. :-) Pat |
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On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:35:43 -0700, Lobster Man
wrote: So... all the experts that are he what's the exact nature of these essential components? [Rusty] Article detailing the use of explosive bolts by NASA: http://media.nasaexplores.com/lesson...ullarticle.pdf [/Rusty] OM Thanks! ....No prob. Rust assured, Resty...er...Rest assured, Rusty will be along shortly to add more PDF links :-P OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:58:46 -0700, "Joe Delphi"
wrote: Many hardware items are frangible (designed to break in certain conditions) - for example, the approach lights at the end of most airport runways are mounted on frangible stanchions so that if an airliner is coming in too low and hits one with its landing gear, it will break the stanchion and not the airliner. Same for many of the sign posts and street lights next to highways. It's supposed to be all the posts and lights and stuff by the side of the road now. The USAF went around and re-did all their signs with little chunks of box beam slightly bigger than the posts themselves as sleeves. They cut the posts at ground level, secured the above-ground portion to the sleeve with a single bolt that would fail on impact, and dropped the other end of the sleeve over the embedded portion of the post. They then discovered that with enough stop-sign flutter from high winds the frangible fitting would "frange", so they had to stiffen the posts to reduce the flutter. They could do so safely though, because they no longer had to use flimsy posts, which they had used to reduce risk of damage and injury in case of an impact. The old posts had been sort of semi-frangible. Mary "Seems sort of counter-intuitive" -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer We didn't just do weird stuff at Dryden, we wrote reports about it. or |
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:40:11 -0700, "Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary
Shafer)" wrote: They then discovered that with enough stop-sign flutter from high winds the frangible fitting would "frange", so they had to stiffen the posts to reduce the flutter. They could do so safely though, because they no longer had to use flimsy posts, which they had used to reduce risk of damage and injury in case of an impact. The old posts had been sort of semi-frangible. ....Boy, and I thought that last post was innuendo fodder! :-) :-) :-) :-P OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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