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Inflatable habitats and reentry shields have reached some level of
acceptance. With this in mind there no longer seems any good reason why the two should not be combined to construct significantly lower drymass capsules and even space transports. Inflatable propellant tanks would seem less challenging development-wise than either inflatable habitat modules or heat shields. And so fully inflatable space transports seem potentially quite possible. In adopting such an approach drymass can be greatly reduced, perhaps by as much as a half depending on details, tank mass can become near negligible, as can structural mass. Hence payload might also be greatly increased. At such low drymass fractions the design margins are greatly eased such that SSTO becomes favoured with regard to development costs. For example, the Falcon 5 lower stage so modified could become a reusable SSTO of modest payload. Suborbital applications promise similar advantages. If the time is not yet right to bite the bullet of inflatable space transports, then it is not far off. It definitely has the potential to quickly make a lot of more traditional approaches obsolete and I am somewhat surprised someone is not already covering the possibility. Pete. |
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Pete Lynn wrote:
[snip] If the time is not yet right to bite the bullet of inflatable space transports, then it is not far off. It definitely has the potential to quickly make a lot of more traditional approaches obsolete and I am somewhat surprised someone is not already covering the possibility. There is a german project for an expendable, fully inflatable SSTO. But unfortunately I did not bookmark the link, and I could not find this on google. I will let you know if I find it again. |
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I found it:
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2005/12/20/Navigation/200/203670/Inflatable+launcher+more+than+hot+air.html It is a little low on details, but it looks like it uses an annular aerospike nozzle. It also has a very low payload fraction. Fueled weight is 47t, payload into an unspecified low earth orbit is just 150kg. I wonder why they have separate propellant tanks instead of integrating them with the aeroshell. |
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"Rüdiger Klaehn" wrote in message
oups.com... I found it: http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...n/200/203670/I nflatable+launcher+more+than+hot+air.html It is a little low on details, but it looks like it uses an annular aerospike nozzle. It also has a very low payload fraction. Fueled weight is 47t, payload into an unspecified low earth orbit is just 150kg. I wonder why they have separate propellant tanks instead of integrating them with the aeroshell. Me too. This is a very interesting but strange design. It says that such a vehicle if used for Mars sample return, would be one third the weight of a conventional vehicle. I am not sure that it uses an annular aerospike, it would seem silly to embrace such added complexity at this stage, though the position of the helium tank does suggest it. Strange things: - It uses spherical tanks, inflatable tanks like composite tanks do not need to be spherical. - It looks pressure fed, requiring heavy tanks. While inflatable tanks still have an advantage at high pressure they have a far greater advantage as low pressure balloon tanks. Inflatable tanks do not suffer the same minimum gauge constraints and buckling during ground handling is not a problem. - There seems to have been no effort to make the tanks structurally self supporting, they are supported by a separate carbon fiber frame which seems totally unnecessary and negates many of the advantages of using such tanks. Having said all that it still looks very interesting indeed and to have a much lower drymass than conventional vehicles. A definite positive step in the right direction. Having the propellant tanks inside the inflatable aeroshell does allow one to collapse the tanks so as to use the last drops of propellant. It also helps prevent icing on the LOX tank as the air inside the aeroshell becomes dehumidified. Nor does this necessarily require much more mass as the aeroshell pressure adds to the tank pressure. One serious concern I have with such a configuration is that a small propellant leak could lead to a very nasty explosion inside the aeroshell. They obviously think this is not prohibitive, though I think I would still favour an external tank approach, primarily for this reason. I also like the idea of having both the propellant tanks sitting on the engine, saves on plumbing and tank structural support. Another trick that seems possible using said inflatable materials is the construction of a very light weight positive displacement turbo pump equivalent. Kind of like a cross between a Flowmetrics pressure pump and a turbopump, it should have most of the advantages of both. This might be ideally suited to such small low cost launch vehicles. Pete. |
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Pete Lynn wrote:
Inflatable habitats and reentry shields have reached some level of acceptance. With this in mind there no longer seems any good reason why the two should not be combined to construct significantly lower drymass capsules and even space transports. Interesting subject, inflatable reentry shields. I hadn't looked into it until you brought it up. http://www.jamesoberg.com/112003irv_his.html http://snipurl.com/n4nq http://www.space.com/missionlaunches...ne_000816.html http://www.strangehorizons.com/2006/...g-hell-a.shtml http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~adstc/PUB...aareview01.pdf The only problem is I haven't seen anything that shows one working well. The Inflatable Habitats are also interesting... http://www.space.com/news/businessmonday_040524.html http://snipurl.com/n4op http://snipurl.com/n4pl http://www.thespacereview.com/article/292/1 http://www.thespacereview.com/article/293/1 However, I may have a more efficient design which accomplishes more. Something to discuss later, sometime. Inflatable propellant tanks would seem less challenging development-wise than either inflatable habitat modules or heat shields. And so fully inflatable space transports seem potentially quite possible. I am guessing you are referring to some craft inflated in space to transport between another destination in space. I am finding it hard to picture a launch vehicle with inflatable tanks. My interest in tanks stems from the Hydrogen Economy on Earth. Hydrogen is a persnickety element frustrating to generations of engineers for over 30 years trying to make compact vehicle fuel tanks work in cars. All the problems of making H2 tanks work in cars are compounded making them work on Mars (or to Mars). In adopting such an approach drymass can be greatly reduced, perhaps by as much as a half depending on details, tank mass can become near negligible, as can structural mass. Hence payload might also be greatly increased. In space-to-space transport, size is no limitation, but volume does have a cost in terms of skin sheathing. A kilogram of liquid Hydrogen is 14 liters, but a kilogram of Hydrogen gas is 11.98 cubic meters, or 11,978 liters. Obviously it takes more material to contain Hydrogen gas than to contain Hydrogen liquid. That extra size of sheathing containment material costs mass. Hydrogen is the smallest and leakiest material there is. It can find ways through most materials, sometimes destroying the material on its way through. You will also notice that it doesn't pack much power in its volume either -- those 11,978 liters of H2 gas has about the same fuel energy as a gallon of gasoline packed in 3.8 liters, but only has that power if four times it's mass of oxygen is present. Hydrogen does not burn without oxygen. (Technically, the stochimetric ratio is ideally 1:8 H2 to O, but realistically H2 burning in rocket engins is burned "rich" with 2x the H2 required ideally.) I am not knocking H2. I said I came into this from an interest in H2. I just like working with the realities that H2 presents and solving those problems in realistic fashion. When you take a kilogram of H2(l) and heat it to vapor, 20.28 K (-252.87 °C, -423.17 °F), those 14 liters become 11,978 liters of H2(g). If the tank is rigid the pressure will be in the scores of thousands of psi. I don't really know because nobody ever did that and survived to tell about it. At 800 bar H2 only condenses down to 27.7 liters, which is at 11,603 psi. You can't just double H2 pressure and reduce the volume in half. H2 has fierce positive charge repulsion. In short, there is a big quantum leap between carring significant volumes of H2 as liquid and letting it go to vapor. Quite probably the Hindenberg zeppelin did not carry the load of H2 that the Shuttle carries for launch. I haven't been moved to do the math. If you want to replave the Shuttle External Tank with an inflatable, you won't be carrying LH2 but gasous H2, and then you have a Hindenberg strapped to the SRBs and Shuttle at launch. I have a feeling that the mass savings for so much skin and so much air resistence will not turn out to have much value after all. Inflatable LH2 technology has not been demonstrated. Whether the container is metal, rigid composite (like the Space Shuttle) or inflatable, the LH2 must be kept cryogenic, which requires refrigeration equipment and power supply operating continuously. If the temperature ever gets to boiling the pressures of thousands of pounds per inch square will pop the balloon. At such low drymass fractions the design margins are greatly eased such that SSTO becomes favoured with regard to development costs. For example, the Falcon 5 lower stage so modified could become a reusable SSTO of modest payload. Suborbital applications promise similar advantages. If the time is not yet right to bite the bullet of inflatable space transports, then it is not far off. It definitely has the potential to quickly make a lot of more traditional approaches obsolete and I am somewhat surprised someone is not already covering the possibility. Pete. |
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![]() Interesting subject, inflatable reentry shields. I hadn't looked into it until you brought it up. Mr. Spock - shields? Shields are inflated to 70% Captian. |
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I think the mass ratio they mentioned is an extremely conservative
estimate. They have probably a 500kg allowance in their calculations to allow for weight gain. So a payload of up to 500kg is probably possible. Another trick that seems possible using said inflatable materials is the construction of a very light weight positive displacement turbo pump equivalent. Kind of like a cross between a Flowmetrics pressure pump and a turbopump, it should have most of the advantages of both. This might be ideally suited to such small low cost launch vehicles. Could you elaborate on that? Or is that idea confidential? I don't really see what is wrong with turbopumps. If you have decent margins, turbopumps can be very reliable and also easy to manufacture. The V2 turbopumps were assembled under very bad conditions in forced labor camps, and yet they managed a decent reliability. And modern airplane turbine blades are operating in an extremely hostile environment, yet they manage to work for many thousand hours without major maintenance. |
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"Rüdiger Klaehn" wrote in message
oups.com... I think the mass ratio they mentioned is an extremely conservative estimate. They have probably a 500kg allowance in their calculations to allow for weight gain. So a payload of up to 500kg is probably possible. Yes 150 kg payload sounds small, 47 ton GLOW infers drymass plus payload being something like 2500-3000 kg. Another trick that seems possible using said inflatable materials is the construction of a very light weight positive displacement turbo pump equivalent. Kind of like a cross between a Flowmetrics pressure pump and a turbopump, it should have most of the advantages of both. This might be ideally suited to such small low cost launch vehicles. Could you elaborate on that? Or is that idea confidential? Roll sock seals/pistons, (similar to diaphragms) are nothing new. A roll sock seal is a tube of flexible material that is rolled back inside itself, like turning a sock half inside out. One end is attached to the top of the cylinder, the other to the top of the piston with a small gap between the two surfaces. As the piston goes up and down the sock rolls up and down with it, sealing like piston rings but without the friction or leakage. Roll sock seals are more efficient than rings, can perhaps handle higher temperatures do not leak, and do not require lubrication or accurately machined surfaces. Their major draw back is the longevity of the roll sock, not such an issue for a rarely used rocket engine, and the roll socks could be cheap to replace anyway. The respective power and pump 'pistons' could act directly on one another, no bearings. The roll sock material and the 'cylinder' in which it operates can be thin wall pressure vessels - very light weight. I don't really see what is wrong with turbopumps. If you have decent margins, turbopumps can be very reliable and also easy to manufacture. The V2 turbopumps were assembled under very bad conditions in forced labor camps, and yet they managed a decent reliability. And modern airplane turbine blades are operating in an extremely hostile environment, yet they manage to work for many thousand hours without major maintenance. I would mostly agree with this however the main problem with turbopumps is probably their greater development cost. As development cost is by far the dominant cost, development has to be minimised in the short term. A positive displacement pump is probably also easier to fool around with and adapt to different engines, they are far more controllable. Like gas turbines turbopumps become increasingly inefficient at small scale, not that such inefficiency is as critical on a rocket engine. For a small space transport, if engine development cost has to be covered, then this probably favours using multiple even smaller engines. Pete. |
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