Not valid outside American's border

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4589072.stm

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Christopher

Christopher wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4589072.stm


Probably should be, though. Last thing the industry needs is some
Islamist loon blowing himself to hell at 350,000 feet... won't do any
damage on the ground, but it'll make a mess of the space tourism industry.

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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:31:51 GMT, Scott Lowther
wrote:

Christopher wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4589072.stm


Probably should be, though.

The FAA is only relevant in America, and not in Europe or Russia or
China.

Last thing the industry needs is some
Islamist loon blowing himself to hell at 350,000 feet... won't do any
damage on the ground, but it'll make a mess of the space tourism industry.

'Islamist loon's' have hardly dented the commercial airline industry.


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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:31:51 GMT, Scott Lowther
wrote:

Last thing the industry needs is some
Islamist loon blowing himself to hell at 350,000 feet... won't do any
damage on the ground, but it'll make a mess of the space tourism
industry.

'Islamist loon's' have hardly dented the commercial airline industry.

Incorrect. Eight US-based airlines, including majors Delta, Northwest, and
United, have declared bankruptcy since 9/11.

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Jorge R. Frank wrote:
'Islamist loon's' have hardly dented the commercial airline industry.

Incorrect. Eight US-based airlines, including majors Delta, Northwest, and
United, have declared bankruptcy since 9/11.

That has far more to do with the recession -- which was already visibly on
its way in summer 2001 -- than with 9/11.

Even 9/11's modest influence on it was not so much the "Islamist loons" as
the hysterical overreaction by Western governments. People didn't stop
flying because they feared suicidal hijackers; they stopped flying because
of all the damnfool "security" stupidity at airports.
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"Jorge R. Frank" wrote in message
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Christopher wrote in
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 04:31:51 GMT, Scott Lowther
wrote:

Last thing the industry needs is some
Islamist loon blowing himself to hell at 350,000 feet... won't do any
damage on the ground, but it'll make a mess of the space tourism
industry.

'Islamist loon's' have hardly dented the commercial airline industry.

Incorrect. Eight US-based airlines, including majors Delta, Northwest, and
United, have declared bankruptcy since 9/11.

To be fair though Jorge, even before 9/11 many if not all those airlines
were already in trouble.

How much impact 9/11 had on them long term is hard to say. (if anything
some of them may have lasted longer due to the government money than
otherwise.)



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(Henry Spencer) wrote in
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In article ,
Jorge R. Frank wrote:
'Islamist loon's' have hardly dented the commercial airline
industry.

Incorrect. Eight US-based airlines, including majors Delta, Northwest,
and United, have declared bankruptcy since 9/11.

That has far more to do with the recession -- which was already
visibly on its way in summer 2001 -- than with 9/11.

The US has gone through many recessions before, but none have been
accompanied by a wave of airline bankruptcies on the scale as the 2001
recession. 9/11 definitely isn't the sole factor behind the bankruptcies -
the recession, rising fuel costs, the pension fund crisis, and labor unrest
are all playing supporting roles - but it's hard to argue that it's not
playing a leading role here.

(And on the general theme of Islamist loons denting the commercial airline
industry, I haven't even started on the link between Lockerbie and the Pan
Am bankruptcy yet...)

Even 9/11's modest influence on it was not so much the "Islamist
loons" as the hysterical overreaction by Western governments. People
didn't stop flying because they feared suicidal hijackers; they
stopped flying because of all the damnfool "security" stupidity at
airports.

There's considerable truth to that. I've only flown once for pleasure since
2001, and it's not because I'm afraid of terrorists, it's that the hassle
and delays at the airport just aren't worth it for the short flights I used
to take. (Counting airport time, it's actually quicker for me to drive from
Houston to Dallas - though I have to bend the speed limit a little :-) -
than to fly there, even on Southwest, which has a good on-time record.)

Still, the reaction could have been worse; US airline security is nowhere
near as intrusive as, say, El Al.

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"Jorge R. Frank" wrote:

Even 9/11's modest influence on it was not so much the "Islamist
loons" as the hysterical overreaction by Western governments. People
didn't stop flying because they feared suicidal hijackers; they
stopped flying because of all the damnfool "security" stupidity at
airports.

There's considerable truth to that. I've only flown once for pleasure since
2001, and it's not because I'm afraid of terrorists, it's that the hassle
and delays at the airport just aren't worth it

OTOH, I've flown *more* for pleasure since 9/11 than in the decade
preceeding it.

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Christopher wrote:




Last thing the industry needs is some
Islamist loon blowing himself to hell at 350,000 feet... won't do any
damage on the ground, but it'll make a mess of the space tourism industry.



'Islamist loon's' have hardly dented the commercial airline industry.


Blow up one plane in the name of some litterbox god or other, and there
are thousands more planes already flying to take up the slack. Take out
an entire *airline* and there are others. There are hundreds of
thousands of people flying around who *need* to fly around.

None of these is similarly true for space tourism. The number of
SpaceShip Two's that will be built will probably be countable on one
hand. One blows up on re-entry... will they ever fly again? Hard to say.
So, for an ideology intent on driving the world back to the 12th
century, the idea of stopping not only a new industry but also slamming
the brakes on western civilizations expansion into the universe has
*got* to be appealing.


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Jorge R. Frank wrote:
(Henry Spencer) wrote in
:

In article ,
Jorge R. Frank wrote:
'Islamist loon's' have hardly dented the commercial airline
industry.

Incorrect. Eight US-based airlines, including majors Delta, Northwest,
and United, have declared bankruptcy since 9/11.

That has far more to do with the recession -- which was already
visibly on its way in summer 2001 -- than with 9/11.

The US has gone through many recessions before, but none have been
accompanied by a wave of airline bankruptcies on the scale as the 2001
recession. 9/11 definitely isn't the sole factor behind the bankruptcies -
the recession, rising fuel costs, the pension fund crisis, and labor unrest
are all playing supporting roles - but it's hard to argue that it's not
playing a leading role here.

I think the operational structure of the airlines is more of a problem.
The defined low cost airlines seem pretty busy.

Although flying domestic in the US is a pretty dire experience. It
makes flying on Ryan Air seem pleasant, and that Ryan Air is the only
airline which has actively tried to kill me in the last 500,000 miles
or so I've flown.

(And on the general theme of Islamist loons denting the commercial airline
industry, I haven't even started on the link between Lockerbie and the Pan
Am bankruptcy yet...)

Even 9/11's modest influence on it was not so much the "Islamist
loons" as the hysterical overreaction by Western governments. People
didn't stop flying because they feared suicidal hijackers; they
stopped flying because of all the damnfool "security" stupidity at
airports.

There's considerable truth to that. I've only flown once for pleasure since
2001, and it's not because I'm afraid of terrorists, it's that the hassle
and delays at the airport just aren't worth it for the short flights I used
to take. (Counting airport time, it's actually quicker for me to drive from
Houston to Dallas - though I have to bend the speed limit a little :-) -
than to fly there, even on Southwest, which has a good on-time record.)

I have to admit that I dread transiting or flying within the US since I
got my BA Gold Frequent Flyer card which allows me to bypass a lot of
check-in and security queues.

Still, the reaction could have been worse; US airline security is nowhere
near as intrusive as, say, El Al.

I flew out of Ben Gurion in September. Israel is the only country I've
been to where it was easier to get in than get out. :-/

Dave