one s@h user's $.02 on BOINC

observations...

it would seem to me that BOINC is not as stable or easy to run. i got
it started on my XP box but it still very iffy and seems to have a lot
of trouble connecting and delivering completed packets and getting new
packets to work on.

i tried starting it on one of my 98 boxes and it still won't get a
packet to work on. lots of error 500's. has anybody gotten it to
work on 98? i've got six 98 boxes running the s@h, and i'd like to
continue helping but there are limits to my patience.

it's just not easy to learn for non-coders i guess. and s@h seems to
rely on everyday peeps to run this in their background on their pc's.

and if the users who had previously used s@h stop running BOINC i'd be
willing to venture a guess that, they'd be willing to switch back, or
at least wish they hadn't started down this path.

how many users did they have before and how many will they have after
the conversion to BOINC? i guess we'll really find out on 12/16...

i'll get off my soapbox now...

tech questions...

1) how much does BOINC stay in the background? two of my 98 boxes are
used as vcr's for a few hours a night. the command line s@h did not
interfere and did just great. will BOINC be just as unobtrusive?

2) i have installed BOINC on one 98 box and one XP box, XP started but
98 did not. i used the same acct name on each. is this bad? should i
have done it like a render farm and let one control many? i was
running all of my s@h on two different accounts. 4 on one and 2 on
the other. my XP box appears to have two seti WU's running now while
my 98 box says (locaal host) and presents no % worked. any thoughts?
penitently,
squished

squished squished@ wrote:
[...]

Many a few have prophesied the doom of Boinc and s@h and yet the
positive numbers continue to improve. The doom sayers seem to be a very
small few...

1) how much does BOINC stay in the background? two of my 98 boxes are
used as vcr's for a few hours a night. the command line s@h did not
interfere and did just great. will BOINC be just as unobtrusive?

Win98 doesn't have proper CPU scheduling and can be very temperamental
for timing critical work. Thing to do is to try it and see what happens.

Or upgrade to some other OS...

2) i have installed BOINC on one 98 box and one XP box, XP started but
[...]

You can have multiple hosts running on the same account no problem. Each
host must have a connection through to the internet. Check that your
Internet Connection Sharing and firewalls are letting your Win98 machine
out to the internet ok?

Good luck and welcome to Boinc,

Happy crunchin'
Martin

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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:02:56 GMT, Martin 53N 1W
wrote:

squished squished@ wrote:
[...]

Many a few have prophesied the doom of Boinc and s@h and yet the
positive numbers continue to improve. The doom sayers seem to be a very
small few...

i am not dooming boinc or s@h, i am just saying, if 98 users can't use
it then they aren't likely to upgrade for a program for somebody elses
use. XP sales are not that high, and it's an arduous task to share
unlike 98 (bill's got a cashflow problem i guess). set up a vote page
or wait and see december 16th. in either case you're losing six of my
boxes, it's that simple.

1) how much does BOINC stay in the background? two of my 98 boxes are
used as vcr's for a few hours a night. the command line s@h did not
interfere and did just great. will BOINC be just as unobtrusive?

Win98 doesn't have proper CPU scheduling and can be very temperamental
for timing critical work. Thing to do is to try it and see what happens.

Or upgrade to some other OS...

never had a problem using my 98 boxes like vcr's. not gonna upgrade
what's not broken. couldn't if i wanted to anyway, i don't have the
$'s to do it. my running s@h was being a part of a greater good, and
boinc does not allow 98 to play. that's eletist and not asking
everyone who wants to help to help, it's limiting the help to pc's
running better than 98. bad plan on their part.

i can't be a part of the solution as i don't code, but i can help by
lending my pc power to seti, when iw will allow me to use my six 98
boxes.

2) i have installed BOINC on one 98 box and one XP box, XP started but
[...]

You can have multiple hosts running on the same account no problem. Each
host must have a connection through to the internet. Check that your
Internet Connection Sharing and firewalls are letting your Win98 machine
out to the internet ok?

Good luck and welcome to Boinc,

all get to the internet ok, boinc is 98 unfreindly. had 7 boxes
working to help, now it's just 1. bye bye seti, let me know when we
get a 98 friendly version of boinc.
later, squished

Happy crunchin'
Martin

squished squished@ wrote:
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:02:56 GMT, Martin 53N 1W
wrote:

squished squished@ wrote:
[...]
[...]
never had a problem using my 98 boxes like vcr's. not gonna upgrade
what's not broken. couldn't if i wanted to anyway, i don't have the
$'s to do it. my running s@h was being a part of a greater good, and

You can download a Linux distro for zero cost. Various Linux
applications have that functionality and lots more.

Should be worth taking a look. Just Google for 'linux vcr':
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=linux+vcr


The fastest Boinc-s@h clients are on Linux still.

Happy crunchin',
Martin


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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:41:56 GMT, Martin 53N 1W
wrote:

squished squished@ wrote:
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:02:56 GMT, Martin 53N 1W
wrote:

squished squished@ wrote:
[...]
[...]
never had a problem using my 98 boxes like vcr's. not gonna upgrade
what's not broken. couldn't if i wanted to anyway, i don't have the
$'s to do it. my running s@h was being a part of a greater good, and

You can download a Linux distro for zero cost. Various Linux
applications have that functionality and lots more.

Should be worth taking a look. Just Google for 'linux vcr':
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=linux+vcr


The fastest Boinc-s@h clients are on Linux still.

Happy crunchin',
Martin

thanks, i've got other stuff running too. and i'm told my ati
allinwonder cards are a little beyond linux (not supported), or so
i've read on some linux sites.
later, squished

In article , squished
writes
observations...

it would seem to me that BOINC is not as stable or easy to run. i got
it started on my XP box but it still very iffy and seems to have a lot
of trouble connecting and delivering completed packets and getting new
packets to work on.

i tried starting it on one of my 98 boxes and it still won't get a
packet to work on. lots of error 500's. has anybody gotten it to
work on 98? i've got six 98 boxes running the s@h, and i'd like to
continue helping but there are limits to my patience.

it's just not easy to learn for non-coders i guess. and s@h seems to
rely on everyday peeps to run this in their background on their pc's.

and if the users who had previously used s@h stop running BOINC i'd be
willing to venture a guess that, they'd be willing to switch back, or
at least wish they hadn't started down this path.

how many users did they have before and how many will they have after
the conversion to BOINC? i guess we'll really find out on 12/16...

i'll get off my soapbox now...

tech questions...

1) how much does BOINC stay in the background? two of my 98 boxes are
used as vcr's for a few hours a night. the command line s@h did not
interfere and did just great. will BOINC be just as unobtrusive?

2) i have installed BOINC on one 98 box and one XP box, XP started but
98 did not. i used the same acct name on each. is this bad? should i
have done it like a render farm and let one control many? i was
running all of my s@h on two different accounts. 4 on one and 2 on
the other. my XP box appears to have two seti WU's running now while
my 98 box says (locaal host) and presents no % worked. any thoughts?
penitently,
squished

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for no man!!

thanks for the link. i guess after reading a bit that it just won't
run on 98... that's a shame. s@h lost 5 boxes at my house, and my XP
box is not on at all times. no skin off my nose, but i do hope they
change the boinc software to be more inclusive. and i only know maye
a dozen people running xp at home, it's simply too expensive and too
much of a security nightmare, most of the peeps i know are "happy" 98
users and have no plans of updating to XP. again, not my loss.
later, squished

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:22:13 +0000, John
wrote:

In article , squished
writes
observations...

it would seem to me that BOINC is not as stable or easy to run. i got
it started on my XP box but it still very iffy and seems to have a lot
of trouble connecting and delivering completed packets and getting new
packets to work on.

i tried starting it on one of my 98 boxes and it still won't get a
packet to work on. lots of error 500's. has anybody gotten it to
work on 98? i've got six 98 boxes running the s@h, and i'd like to
continue helping but there are limits to my patience.

it's just not easy to learn for non-coders i guess. and s@h seems to
rely on everyday peeps to run this in their background on their pc's.

and if the users who had previously used s@h stop running BOINC i'd be
willing to venture a guess that, they'd be willing to switch back, or
at least wish they hadn't started down this path.

how many users did they have before and how many will they have after
the conversion to BOINC? i guess we'll really find out on 12/16...

i'll get off my soapbox now...

tech questions...

1) how much does BOINC stay in the background? two of my 98 boxes are
used as vcr's for a few hours a night. the command line s@h did not
interfere and did just great. will BOINC be just as unobtrusive?

2) i have installed BOINC on one 98 box and one XP box, XP started but
98 did not. i used the same acct name on each. is this bad? should i
have done it like a render farm and let one control many? i was
running all of my s@h on two different accounts. 4 on one and 2 on
the other. my XP box appears to have two seti WU's running now while
my 98 box says (locaal host) and presents no % worked. any thoughts?
penitently,
squished

Answers at - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_index.php - community
discussion groups. You can post here for dedicated replies.

"squished sbcglobal.net" squished@scrambled eggs wrote in message
...
thanks for the link. i guess after reading a bit that it just won't
run on 98... that's a shame. s@h lost 5 boxes at my house, and my XP
box is not on at all times. no skin off my nose, but i do hope they
change the boinc software to be more inclusive. and i only know maye
a dozen people running xp at home, it's simply too expensive and too
much of a security nightmare, most of the peeps i know are "happy" 98
users and have no plans of updating to XP. again, not my loss.
later, squished

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:22:13 +0000, John
wrote:

In article , squished
writes
observations...

it would seem to me that BOINC is not as stable or easy to run. i got
it started on my XP box but it still very iffy and seems to have a lot
of trouble connecting and delivering completed packets and getting new
packets to work on.

i tried starting it on one of my 98 boxes and it still won't get a
packet to work on. lots of error 500's. has anybody gotten it to
work on 98? i've got six 98 boxes running the s@h, and i'd like to
continue helping but there are limits to my patience.

it's just not easy to learn for non-coders i guess. and s@h seems to
rely on everyday peeps to run this in their background on their pc's.

and if the users who had previously used s@h stop running BOINC i'd be
willing to venture a guess that, they'd be willing to switch back, or
at least wish they hadn't started down this path.

how many users did they have before and how many will they have after
the conversion to BOINC? i guess we'll really find out on 12/16...

i'll get off my soapbox now...

tech questions...

1) how much does BOINC stay in the background? two of my 98 boxes are
used as vcr's for a few hours a night. the command line s@h did not
interfere and did just great. will BOINC be just as unobtrusive?

2) i have installed BOINC on one 98 box and one XP box, XP started but
98 did not. i used the same acct name on each. is this bad? should i
have done it like a render farm and let one control many? i was
running all of my s@h on two different accounts. 4 on one and 2 on
the other. my XP box appears to have two seti WU's running now while
my 98 box says (locaal host) and presents no % worked. any thoughts?
penitently,
squished

Answers at - http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_index.php - community
discussion groups. You can post here for dedicated replies.


Hello Squished
I've been using Boinc 4.19 without problems on my
Win98 machine since January .
I've tried all the updates since then but they all ran slower and caused
crashes. Unfortunately 4.19 is no longer available to download on the
website but if you are keen to continue Seti on your machines it must be
available somehow.?

Ian

"John Forbes" wrote:

Unfortunately 4.19 is no longer available to download on the
website but if you are keen to continue Seti on your machines
it must be available somehow.?

It can be downloaded he
http://www.cafesociety.uk.com/other/...s_intelx86.exe

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:33:19 GMT, "Ed" wrote:


"John Forbes" wrote:

Unfortunately 4.19 is no longer available to download on the
website but if you are keen to continue Seti on your machines
it must be available somehow.?

It can be downloaded he
http://www.cafesociety.uk.com/other/...s_intelx86.exe


thanks ed, i'll d/l it and try it next week.
later, squished