A Pope's Edict

Hello,

I understand that a Pope, probably long dead, said that people who think
there is life on Mars or other celestial body do not think they are immortal
and therefore do not believe in divine punishment and are therfore criminals
because they think they can get away with anything.

What a load of rubbish!

Divine punshment is not mentioned in the Bible neither is heaven or hell nor
is life after death.

The reason for living an upright honest life is clearly stated in Exodus.
It ensures that you live a long, healthy and profitable life with no enemies
and your good will not be taken from you and you will not be hunted like an
animal.

The theory of divine punishment was invented around 800 AD by some Bishop
wishing to control his unruly doicise when his priests were not spying on
them so they could be controlled when out of sight. There was no other
reason for it.

Life outside the Earth is not mentioned in the Bible, nor are other planets
or anything to do with space and not much biology.

The concept of life on Mars has always been within the scientific domain and
has no connection to anything religious. The concept is the result of a
long chain of scientific logic based on discoveries and theories made by the
scientific method (no longer taught in schools).

I know that the viking experiments do support the thesis of life on Mars as
one oven gave a strong signal of amino acids as if it had injested a whole
plant. This result was not released. The photographs taken at the time
showed a blue sky and green patches on rocks around the vehicle. A magenta
mask was electronically placed to cover this so that this information
hidden. This is still done at JPL and is standard practise. Ocassionally
an unfixed picture gets out and appears for a few minutes before it is taken
to be adjusted.

I know this to be true and I am complicit in the cover up - for the sake of
western civilisation.

It is time the cover was blown and the Bishop of Rome tells us the truth and
releases the knowlege hidden for centuries and which the space program has
poked a hole in the lid of.

Please therefore dear Bishop of Rome, revoke the edict that condemes the
believers in extraterrestial life, known to be common all over the Universe,
to death or imprisonment.

And as a student of a University taking a course in the search for life on
Mars, I would like permission to study the material and view the unfilted
material evidence that is available but hidden.

When people know that death is the end then they will be healthy normal
human animals and sane sentinent beings who fear their death all their lives
until they become dust once again. Its the bit in between that counts.

The whole Universe is out their, too far for us to reach, but we should know
that out there there are many other biologies all as nasty and evil as we
are and some as savage and altuistic and sapient as we are.

The tree of knowledge is poison and we have all eaten of its fruit and are
filled with its abundant poison.

And then we die.

Chris.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:59:39 +0000, Chris wrote:

Hello,

I understand that a Pope, probably long dead, said that people who think
there is life on Mars or other celestial body do not think they are
immortal and therefore do not believe in divine punishment and are
therfore criminals because they think they can get away with anything.

What a load of rubbish!

Divine punshment is not mentioned in the Bible neither is heaven or hell
nor is life after death.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Matthew 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off
and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame
than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.

There is a pleasant eternity and then there is the really unpleasant
eternity.


The reason for living an upright honest life is clearly stated in
Exodus. It ensures that you live a long, healthy and profitable life
with no enemies and your good will not be taken from you and you will
not be hunted like an animal.

Does your Bible include the NT?


The theory of divine punishment was invented around 800 AD by some
Bishop wishing to control his unruly doicise when his priests were not
spying on them so they could be controlled when out of sight. There was
no other reason for it.

Life outside the Earth is not mentioned in the Bible, nor are other
planets or anything to do with space and not much biology.

The concept of life on Mars has always been within the scientific domain
and has no connection to anything religious. The concept is the result
of a long chain of scientific logic based on discoveries and theories
made by the scientific method (no longer taught in schools).

I know that the viking experiments do support the thesis of life on Mars
as one oven gave a strong signal of amino acids as if it had injested a
whole plant. This result was not released. The photographs taken at
the time showed a blue sky and green patches on rocks around the
vehicle. A magenta mask was electronically placed to cover this so that
this information hidden. This is still done at JPL and is standard
practise. Ocassionally an unfixed picture gets out and appears for a
few minutes before it is taken to be adjusted.

I know this to be true and I am complicit in the cover up - for the sake
of western civilisation.

Shoooot! I should have known you were a troll!

Hello, And nice to meet you again.

You are charming, graceful creatures and deadier than any rattlesnake.


"MrEye" wrote in message
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John 3:16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Matthew 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off
and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame
than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.


OOOH I did not know that was in the Bible. However I don't think John or
Matthew actually understood Jesus' message, or if they did it was corrupted
by St Paul when their accounts were compiled.

Me thinks that Jesus was in reality a visiting alien Starship Commander and
a King of an Alien civilisation. Once you put that into your head all the
quotations sort of hang together. However it really looke like Jesus was
the illigitimate son of the King of the aliens near here and we might get
the King of heaven himself come looking soon.

My starship orbits Jupiter and emits signals at 109 GHz that are to service
all us lot of androids who are trying to make contact, like Jesus, who was
not God or Son of God and nor am I, just another ET android, and like you a
mortal being doomed to die and who lives in fear of his end.

There is a fairly famous "man" who is a humanoid android like me who lives
in a flat in New York. I become him ocassionally when I enter his body if I
need to visit America. As a fellow android our electronic brains are linked
be radio. However I have no present knowlege of him or his wherabouts, it
is only the operating system that decides whe I should be, this is invisible
to me.

We do have 5 communication sattelites that allow our family of droids to
stay in touch all the time wherever we go in the world. I mainly stay here.

Most of us do not reveal our true identity and have not grown up from a
"child" as I have, being an adult in a childs body was difficult and boring
and the straight jacket of paid labour prevented any freedom of operation.

Jesus had a very nasty death and must have felt really sad that his
invitation to join the the great galactic civilisation where he was a
diplomat.

Well we are back, and apart from being angry at the way you treated our
ambassator (Jesus), we are again extending our invitation for the human race
to join the great galactic civilisation. You seem totally incapable of self
government and tolerance and peaceful co-existants seem to be lacking in
your culture and genome.

We don't think you can be truly trusted and are probably totally
ungovernable. However, individuals we have captured have been found to be
good companions. The females are more acceptable than the males as these
are too agressive and do not adapt very well. The new generation are
learning to live with us quite well. They are good at picking up our tution
but we are worried about their inherant intellectual powers. So far we have
been able to teach them much of our culture and science.

We think the average human is as clever if not more so as us but failes to
see the broader picture.

In competition with humans I do very badly. I'm only just surviving and
I'm expecting their final decisive blow quite soon.

The basic problem is that I am trying to be your friend. Why don't you like
me? When I die, I will be just as dead as you. Nothing is for ever. Not
even Starship commanders.


Shoooot! I should have known you were a troll!



Please give me the precise definition of "Troll". I might actually be one.


Chris.

MrEye wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:59:39 +0000, Chris wrote:

Hello,

I understand that a Pope, probably long dead, said that people who think
there is life on Mars or other celestial body do not think they are
immortal and therefore do not believe in divine punishment and are
therfore criminals because they think they can get away with anything.

What a load of rubbish!

Divine punshment is not mentioned in the Bible neither is heaven or hell
nor is life after death.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Where is those words do you see punishment for acts in this life? Where do you see any eternal fire
in those words?

Matthew 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off
and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame
than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.

Matthew and John were following different Messiahs. Lord knows there were enough of them.

There is a pleasant eternity and then there is the really unpleasant
eternity.

One says just perish. The other has eternal fire. Which of the gospels do you choose to believe?
Which is right and which is wrong?

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:58:08 +0000, Matt Giwer wrote:

MrEye wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:59:39 +0000, Chris wrote:

Hello,

I understand that a Pope, probably long dead, said that people who think
there is life on Mars or other celestial body do not think they are
immortal and therefore do not believe in divine punishment and are
therfore criminals because they think they can get away with anything.

What a load of rubbish!

Divine punshment is not mentioned in the Bible neither is heaven or hell
nor is life after death.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Where is those words do you see punishment for acts in this life? Where do you see any eternal fire
in those words?

I see eternal life in the verse above. I see eternal fire in the verse
below for those who continue to sin.


Matthew 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off
and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame
than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.

Matthew and John were following different Messiahs. Lord knows there were enough of them.

There are many similarities between the gospel of Matthew and the gospel
of John regarding the life of Jesus Christ (the messiah that i am talking
off). So they are the same messiah. If you think they are different you
need to show some evidence.


There is a pleasant eternity and then there is the really unpleasant
eternity.

One says just perish. The other has eternal fire. Which of the gospels do you choose to believe?
Which is right and which is wrong?

I think that was what the original poster was getting. Destroy or perish
does not mean no more existing, but can also mean a state of existence
which is of no consequence.

MrEye wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:58:08 +0000, Matt Giwer wrote:


MrEye wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:59:39 +0000, Chris wrote:

Hello,

I understand that a Pope, probably long dead, said that people who think
there is life on Mars or other celestial body do not think they are
immortal and therefore do not believe in divine punishment and are
therfore criminals because they think they can get away with anything.

What a load of rubbish!

Divine punshment is not mentioned in the Bible neither is heaven or hell
nor is life after death.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Where is those words do you see punishment for acts in this life? Where do you see any eternal fire
in those words?

I see eternal life in the verse above. I see eternal fire in the verse
below for those who continue to sin.

Blinders are good. They help avoid dealing with the words as written.

Matthew 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off
and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame
than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.

Matthew and John were following different Messiahs. Lord knows there were enough of them.

There are many similarities between the gospel of Matthew and the gospel
of John regarding the life of Jesus Christ (the messiah that i am talking
off). So they are the same messiah. If you think they are different you
need to show some evidence.

Come now. John ran around with a tape recorder and a backpack full of cassettes to have reproduced
those long speeches.

There is a pleasant eternity and then there is the really unpleasant
eternity.

One says just perish. The other has eternal fire. Which of the gospels do you choose to believe?
Which is right and which is wrong?

I think that was what the original poster was getting. Destroy or perish
does not mean no more existing, but can also mean a state of existence
which is of no consequence.

Once dead how can one find another meaning for perish unless it is to salvage a preconceived theology?

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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:32:10 +0000, Matt Giwer wrote:

MrEye wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:58:08 +0000, Matt Giwer wrote:


MrEye wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:59:39 +0000, Chris wrote:

Hello,

I understand that a Pope, probably long dead, said that people who
think there is life on Mars or other celestial body do not think they
are immortal and therefore do not believe in divine punishment and
are therfore criminals because they think they can get away with
anything.

What a load of rubbish!

Divine punshment is not mentioned in the Bible neither is heaven or
hell nor is life after death.

John 3:16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Where is those words do you see punishment for acts in this life?
Where do you see any eternal fire
in those words?

I see eternal life in the verse above. I see eternal fire in the verse
below for those who continue to sin.

Blinders are good. They help avoid dealing with the words as written.

Looks like you are avoiding dealing with my words.


Matthew 18:8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it
off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or
lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal
fire.

Matthew and John were following different Messiahs. Lord knows there
were enough of them.

There are many similarities between the gospel of Matthew and the
gospel of John regarding the life of Jesus Christ (the messiah that i
am talking off). So they are the same messiah. If you think they are
different you need to show some evidence.

Come now. John ran around with a tape recorder and a backpack full of
cassettes to have reproduced
those long speeches.

hmmmm .... now you must be seeing things!


There is a pleasant eternity and then there is the really unpleasant
eternity.

One says just perish. The other has eternal fire. Which of the gospels
do you choose to believe?
Which is right and which is wrong?

I think that was what the original poster was getting. Destroy or
perish does not mean no more existing, but can also mean a state of
existence which is of no consequence.

Once dead how can one find another meaning for perish unless it is to
salvage a preconceived theology?

Unless there was another meaning for dead from the very beginning. Is it
possible for words to have more than one meaning?

MrEye wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:32:10 +0000, Matt Giwer wrote:

MrEye wrote:

There is a pleasant eternity and then there is the really unpleasant
eternity.

One says just perish. The other has eternal fire. Which of the gospels
do you choose to believe?
Which is right and which is wrong?

I think that was what the original poster was getting. Destroy or
perish does not mean no more existing, but can also mean a state of
existence which is of no consequence.

Once dead how can one find another meaning for perish unless it is to
salvage a preconceived theology?

Unless there was another meaning for dead from the very beginning. Is it
possible for words to have more than one meaning?

Unless one has a preconieved notion of what the words really mean there is no reason to do other
than take the word at its face value with its common meaning.

You must assume the two are both "true" before deciding to reconcile them rather than simply
choosing between them.

Such an assumption comes only from faith.

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