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robert bristow-johnson wrote: i thought (my amateur understanding) the other thing about quasars is that they are moving away from us real fast, putting them near the edge of our observable universe (and putting them back in time quite a bit). Not really. The redshifts of quasars - and thus their distances and ages - vary quite a lot. Here's a nice picture that illustrates this: http://www.2dfquasar.org/wedgeplot.html taken from the 2dF quasar redshift survey. You'll see there are plenty of quasars between 2 and 12 billion light-years away. I don't know why there's an apparent shortage of closer ones! The shortage of more distant ones happens for the reason you suggest: anyway, wouldn't it take a lot of time for a black hole to get that big, to eat everything else in reach, etc.? i thought that black holes represented something more "mature" in the universe than what distant (and young) quasars would be. WMAP data puts the universe at 13.7 billion years old - an implausibly precise figure, but that's what they say! The first stars formed around 200 million years after that. As far as I can tell after a few minutes searching, the oldest known quasar formed about a billion years after the Big Bang, with a redshift of 5.82: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap000419.html But, I don't think there are many this old. |
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