Asteroids not Comets caused early catastrophe

Well maybe...maybe not..

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0509/15asteroids/

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
Well maybe...maybe not..

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0509/15asteroids/

Any consequence arising from that hail storm of asteriods falling into
the sun ?


RL

On 16 Sep 2005 17:23:50 -0700
"Raving Loonie" wrote:

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
Well maybe...maybe not..

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0509/15asteroids/

Any consequence arising from that hail storm of asteriods falling into
the sun ?

Wouldn't have thought so, the sun being so much more massive compared to
a planet or protoplanet, the sun probably hardly noticed it ;-) No idea
of an estimate for the accumulative mass of asteroids that would have
gone into the sun but I would guess that by the time it was happening
the sun had got well underway as far as it's own mass was concerned.

Just me guessing..



RL

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
On 16 Sep 2005 17:23:50 -0700
"Raving Loonie" wrote:

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
Well maybe...maybe not..

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0509/15asteroids/

Any consequence arising from that hail storm of asteriods falling into
the sun ?

Wouldn't have thought so, the sun being so much more massive compared to
a planet or protoplanet, the sun probably hardly noticed it ;-) No idea
of an estimate for the accumulative mass of asteroids that would have
gone into the sun but I would guess that by the time it was happening
the sun had got well underway as far as it's own mass was concerned.

Just me guessing..



RL


Roughly, the sun is somewhat less than a million times the mass of the
earth.

In other words, it is LIKELY to have had an appreciable effect ...

... maybe ???

The numbers are in the plausible 'ball park'.

RL

You forgot one thing: The entire Sun is accumulated!

Saul Levy


On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:51:46 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
wrote:

On 16 Sep 2005 17:23:50 -0700
"Raving Loonie" wrote:

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
Well maybe...maybe not..

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0509/15asteroids/

Any consequence arising from that hail storm of asteriods falling into
the sun ?

Wouldn't have thought so, the sun being so much more massive compared to
a planet or protoplanet, the sun probably hardly noticed it ;-) No idea
of an estimate for the accumulative mass of asteroids that would have
gone into the sun but I would guess that by the time it was happening
the sun had got well underway as far as it's own mass was concerned.

Just me guessing..



RL

Saul Levy wrote:
You forgot one thing: The entire Sun is accumulated!

Saul Levy


On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:51:46 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
wrote:

On 16 Sep 2005 17:23:50 -0700
"Raving Loonie" wrote:

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
Well maybe...maybe not..

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0509/15asteroids/

Any consequence arising from that hail storm of asteriods falling into
the sun ?

Wouldn't have thought so, the sun being so much more massive compared to
a planet or protoplanet, the sun probably hardly noticed it ;-) No idea
of an estimate for the accumulative mass of asteroids that would have
gone into the sun but I would guess that by the time it was happening
the sun had got well underway as far as it's own mass was concerned.

Just me guessing..



RL

Which leads to that interesting question ...

... or is it obvious and I am dense ... and is the 'pun' meaningful ?

Back when we briefly mentioned the Earth, I got the rough impression
that the interior of it really doesn't seem to matter a hill 'o beans
save that it has a spinning ?solid? iron core.

I.E. ... Inside, Mother Earth is a quirky curiosity that doesn't mean
much one way or another.

I assume that as one changes phase into liquid, thence solid, and
perhaps some really peculiar 'plastic' sort of phases ... not to
mention mixed phases ...


.... Thence structures, and structures of materials can get really,
really, really, unsual, unpredicatable and consequential. Perhaps,
sincerely through 'lack of data' it is ignored. Doesn't seem like a
prudent bet.

Going back to the sun ... I would think that there are also more
stable and structuraly robust entities inside it ... not to mention
those esoteric physical states that I am utterly ignorant in regard ...

Seems that the aggregates, their migration, sublimation or whatever may
have real consequence, evolving consequence. ...

....It would also suggest that each star is very distinct and different
from one and another.

Or maybe I'm imagining nonsense.

Just not happy with the notion that our sun and stars are simple balls
of hydrogen and helium .... seems very naive, to me.

Nor does the notion that the giant gas planets are simply 'that' sit
well with me!

All sorts of '****' falls into them ... like it does into the Earth,
.... like it does into the sun.




?????????

RL

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On 16 Sep 2005 17:23:50 -0700
"Raving Loonie" wrote:

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
Well maybe...maybe not..

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0509/15asteroids/

Any consequence arising from that hail storm of asteriods falling into
the sun ?

Wouldn't have thought so, the sun being so much more massive compared to
a planet or protoplanet, the sun probably hardly noticed it ;-) No idea
of an estimate for the accumulative mass of asteroids that would have
gone into the sun but I would guess that by the time it was happening
the sun had got well underway as far as it's own mass was concerned.

Just me guessing..



RL


nightbat

This subject Officer Ray and Cadet Raving Loonie is very
important as referenced by the link of scientist's attempting to
correlate planetary and protoplanet impact evidence with remaining
observed space asteroids. According to my profound Universe model not
only does asteroid impact play a role of Universe dynamics but comet
impacts as well. For instance Jupiter the great gas giant shows
paradoxically that it has all the potential for being a star yet some
distant galactic process or major cosmological event evidently played a
part in its present make-up and condition. As RL indicates a true star
as our solar one would most likely have been able to absorb immense
quantities of inner solar system asteroid body impacts without process
blinking due to its inherent huge mass. However if the same event
consisted of immense comet storm the results could theoretically be much
different. The possible neutralizing effect of % very large quantities
of infalling heavy ice and dust bodies could most likely not cause
stellar destruction of the once star but stress it so as to quite likely
extinguish its normal fusion ignition thresh point chroma effects
process. Plasma sharing of sister neutron or close gravitating stars is
known, but since the mutual shared material is not normally heavy ice
neutralizing material mass, ongoing accreditation continues. Now then if
an event occurs that does permit accrual of neutralizing material a
unique chain of events is most possibly theoretically created ( " Black
Comet " ) far different then normal Chandra stellar upper mass
accumulation main sequence occurrence.

Taking about the planet Jupiter, it is not impossible that at the time
being possibly event closer in the original direction or particular
galaxy position of first entrance of incoming planetary comet storm
occurrence, it very likely could have taken the blunt of gravitational
attracted impacts traveling into the solar system itself. If this
nightbat model theory premise is correct then at one time the original
binary solar system sun now (Jupiter) could have received such an influx
of far or outer galaxy arriving mass neutralizing super dense heavy ice
comet body material as to extinguish it's outer fusion process ignited
gas shell envelope. Per observation gas giant Jupiter and other
evidenced solar system planetary crater impacts now presents just such
an correlating observed body evidence. And this too once ignited loss of
the second Sun would correlate to the sudden disappearance of the most
likely cold blooded evolved makeup of the initial species Dinosaurs not
caused by present conflicting and now rejected theory of possible
climate effecting large incoming asteroid. For an potential large
asteroid Earth impact would not entire cross or single species
selectively entire Earth eliminate, this being the comet ending event
model original weak premise and falsifying evidence.

Excellent Universal model pondering Officers and Cadet and continue your
logical observations.

carry on,
the nightbat

Hi RL Seems to me that the Earth's core could be liquid iron,and
around this inner core is a solid iron other core shell. Spinning motion
would create a dynamo either way. RL I have never heard how magnetisim
overcomes this great high temperature. Madam Curie,and her husband
proved heat kills magnetisim. Its called the "Curie effect". Have we
ever tried to build a liquid iron dynamo in a lab? Heat a bar magnet hot
enough and it losses all its magnetic force.. I think lots of
fudging goes into our Earth core theories,and too few experiments. Our
theory that Jupiter has a solid hydrogen core was kind of far out
thinking,and yet we created solid stable hydrogen in a Tennessee lab(I
liked that) One could easily come up with fission creating an
electric current,and that gives the flow of electrons going from the
south pole to the north pole. This theory has some merit. Bert

nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On 16 Sep 2005 17:23:50 -0700
"Raving Loonie" wrote:

Ray Vingnutte wrote:
Well maybe...maybe not..

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0509/15asteroids/

Any consequence arising from that hail storm of asteriods falling into
the sun ?

Wouldn't have thought so, the sun being so much more massive compared to
a planet or protoplanet, the sun probably hardly noticed it ;-) No idea
of an estimate for the accumulative mass of asteroids that would have
gone into the sun but I would guess that by the time it was happening
the sun had got well underway as far as it's own mass was concerned.

Just me guessing..



RL


nightbat

This subject Officer Ray and Cadet Raving Loonie is very
important as referenced by the link of scientist's attempting to
correlate planetary and protoplanet impact evidence with remaining
observed space asteroids. According to my profound Universe model not
only does asteroid impact play a role of Universe dynamics but comet
impacts as well. For instance Jupiter the great gas giant shows
paradoxically that it has all the potential for being a star yet some
distant galactic process or major cosmological event evidently played a
part in its present make-up and condition. As RL indicates a true star
as our solar one would most likely have been able to absorb immense
quantities of inner solar system asteroid body impacts without process
blinking due to its inherent huge mass. However if the same event
consisted of immense comet storm the results could theoretically be much
different. The possible neutralizing effect of % very large quantities
of infalling heavy ice and dust bodies could most likely not cause
stellar destruction of the once star but stress it so as to quite likely
extinguish its normal fusion ignition thresh point chroma effects
process. Plasma sharing of sister neutron or close gravitating stars is
known, but since the mutual shared material is not normally heavy ice
neutralizing material mass, ongoing accreditation continues. Now then if
an event occurs that does permit accrual of neutralizing material a
unique chain of events is most possibly theoretically created ( " Black
Comet " ) far different then normal Chandra stellar upper mass
accumulation main sequence occurrence.

Taking about the planet Jupiter, it is not impossible that at the time
being possibly event closer in the original direction or particular
galaxy position of first entrance of incoming planetary comet storm
occurrence, it very likely could have taken the blunt of gravitational
attracted impacts traveling into the solar system itself. If this
nightbat model theory premise is correct then at one time the original
binary solar system sun now (Jupiter) could have received such an influx
of far or outer galaxy arriving mass neutralizing super dense heavy ice
comet body material as to extinguish it's outer fusion process ignited
gas shell envelope. Per observation gas giant Jupiter and other
evidenced solar system planetary crater impacts now presents just such
an correlating observed body evidence. And this too once ignited loss of
the second Sun would correlate to the sudden disappearance of the most
likely cold blooded evolved makeup of the initial species Dinosaurs not
caused by present conflicting and now rejected theory of possible
climate effecting large incoming asteroid. For an potential large
asteroid Earth impact would not entire cross or single species
selectively entire Earth eliminate, this being the comet ending event
model original weak premise and falsifying evidence.

Excellent Universal model pondering Officers and Cadet and continue your
logical observations.

carry on,
the nightbat

Another fine campaign speech.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler

"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."

"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."

-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004

Sounds like you've been listening to Beert too much!

Planets have internal structure. The only such structure in stars is
the boundary between different fusion zones where different elements
are fusing. The Sun is only fusing hydrogen into helium and hasn't
developed any such zones.

There is also the convective zone where convection can work in the
outer layer(s) of the Sun.

Saul Levy


On 16 Sep 2005 19:22:15 -0700, "Raving Loonie"
wrote:

Saul Levy wrote:
You forgot one thing: The entire Sun is accumulated!

Saul Levy

Which leads to that interesting question ...

... or is it obvious and I am dense ... and is the 'pun' meaningful ?

Back when we briefly mentioned the Earth, I got the rough impression
that the interior of it really doesn't seem to matter a hill 'o beans
save that it has a spinning ?solid? iron core.

I.E. ... Inside, Mother Earth is a quirky curiosity that doesn't mean
much one way or another.

I assume that as one changes phase into liquid, thence solid, and
perhaps some really peculiar 'plastic' sort of phases ... not to
mention mixed phases ...


... Thence structures, and structures of materials can get really,
really, really, unsual, unpredicatable and consequential. Perhaps,
sincerely through 'lack of data' it is ignored. Doesn't seem like a
prudent bet.

Going back to the sun ... I would think that there are also more
stable and structuraly robust entities inside it ... not to mention
those esoteric physical states that I am utterly ignorant in regard ...

Seems that the aggregates, their migration, sublimation or whatever may
have real consequence, evolving consequence. ...

...It would also suggest that each star is very distinct and different
from one and another.

Or maybe I'm imagining nonsense.

Just not happy with the notion that our sun and stars are simple balls
of hydrogen and helium .... seems very naive, to me.

Nor does the notion that the giant gas planets are simply 'that' sit
well with me!

All sorts of '****' falls into them ... like it does into the Earth,
... like it does into the sun.

RL