Great Untapped Financial Resources for Space Projects

In all of the years since space exploration got underway in 1957, a huge
source of financing has been over looked & completely ignored - this is
the financial resources of huge corporations & multi national comglomerates.
Many of these companies (i.e.Microsoft) have billions of extra dollars that
they cannot even figure out how to invest.

Since 1957 the major aerospace companie were very happy to be subcontractors
for various NASA space projects, & have reaped billions of dollars in
profits doing so. But they have done nothing in the way of organizing space
projects themselves. Yes, they could use the argument that it would cost too
much, would not be profitable (at least for a long time), that it is the
governments job, or other excuses. I do not think these excuses hold up in
todays world.

If individuals would e-mail large corporations & encourage them to directly
finance space projects, I believe they would adapt to this new idea. Here is
a possible space project: A robotic moon base (using unmanned automated
flights) would cost about $2 - 4 billion to build & $1 billion a year to
operate. This could drastically accelerate scientific progress. The large
corps. could even write it off as basic research.

What is needed is for major corporations to form an alliance to pool their
vast financial resources & plan several large scale space projects. Even
those that do not have extra funds have huge abilities to raise funds (i.e.
GE has GE Capital Corp.) As I mentioned a persistant e-mail campaign could
go along way to making this become a reality. I would like to encourage
every one who reads this to start e-mailing large companies as I have been
doing.

MX

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:15:44 -0600, in a place far, far away, "Joel"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
as to indicate that:

If individuals would e-mail large corporations & encourage them to directly
finance space projects, I believe they would adapt to this new idea.

Yes, I'm sure that's all that's been lacking--a grass-roots mail
campaign.

In article Qo_Xd.6284$Fy.4721@okepread04, "Joel"
wrote:

If individuals would e-mail large corporations & encourage them to directly
finance space projects, I believe they would adapt to this new idea.

Then you are quite delusional.

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Its their money dude, not yours, not ours. Its their responsibility to
spend it in ways that increase their shareholder's value. If you could
show them how to increase their shareholder's value by spending their
shareholder's money, they'd *have* to do it - if it was the best way to
increase that value.

So, the challenge isn't theirs, its yours - to figure out how to make a
buck on space investments.

That ain't gonna happen because space travel technology is also the
technology of missile proliferation - and we can't afford to have that
technology as common as computers or automobiles or airplanes. Not
until we get our house in order and end international rivalry. And
that ain't gonna happen too soon.

But, after a successful war on terror, after reducing nuclear weapons
to zero, after creating a coalition of strong nations to disarm the
weaker nations, and then reductions of the strong nation's military -
if all that could happen - then, maybe, just maybe, we could allow
private space development.

The first step would be to declassify things.
The second step would be to allow private property ownership of
celestial bodies and of regions in space
The third step would be to create a technology transfer and development
agency, like NACA of old, (this could be a role for NASA) that would
aid in the development of commercial space travel (just like NACA
helped commercial aviation)
The fourth step would be to create a court system that would settle
disputes on the space frontier.
The fifth step would be to reduce or eliminate taxes on space based
assets and resources.

Then, the stage would be set. You'd have reliable information,
knowledgeable support, funding of commonly used assets, like
spaceports, and a legal and tax basis for investment.

What would folks invest in?

Delta class reusable unpiloted launchers.
Advanced telecommunications satellite networks (ala Teledesic)

Nova class reusable piloted launchers
Advanced solar power satellite networks

Orion class reusable piloted launchers
Asteroid capture & Advanced factory satellite networks

Manufacture of Farm satellites and forest satellites from captured
asteroids

Low cost ballistic transport using laser sustained detonation
Low cost orbital access and Space homes

Mobile space homes

Interplanetary communications and navigation network
Interstellar communications and navigation network

Collision of films at 1/3 light speed to manufacture black hole dusts
Creation of new technology based on charged/spinning miniature black
holes interacting.

Superluminal travel
Time travel
Time communication
Superlogic

"William Mook" :

Its their money dude, not yours, not ours. Its their responsibility to
spend it in ways that increase their shareholder's value. If you could
show them how to increase their shareholder's value by spending their
shareholder's money, they'd *have* to do it - if it was the best way to
increase that value.

?????

What have you done to the real William Mook and his 'money is no object'
plans? Heck the message was less than 100 hundred lines long so I know you
are am imposter.

Just remember if you are holding him for ransom that we want you to deliver
at least one million dollars in small unmarked bills to the post office of
our choice before we will take him back off your hands.

You can contact us using the code words - 'space tech is easy'.

Earl Colby Pottinger

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William Mook wrote:

Its their money dude, not yours, not ours. Its their responsibility to
spend it in ways that increase their shareholder's value. If you could
show them how to increase their shareholder's value by spending their
shareholder's money, they'd *have* to do it - if it was the best way to
increase that value.

So, the challenge isn't theirs, its yours - to figure out how to make a
buck on space investments.

That ain't gonna happen because space travel technology is also the
technology of missile proliferation - and we can't afford to have that
technology as common as computers or automobiles or airplanes. Not
until we get our house in order and end international rivalry. And
that ain't gonna happen too soon.


You assume that all countries and private groups agree with that.
Hopefully they won't. Certainly the startups out there now, don't.
Money, not world conflict, is their problem.


But, after a successful war on terror,


How would we know when we get there? There will never be a
Representative Of All Terrorists, who will sign surrender papers on the
deck of a battleship....


after reducing nuclear weapons
to zero, after creating a coalition of strong nations to disarm the
weaker nations, and then reductions of the strong nation's military -
if all that could happen - then, maybe, just maybe, we could allow
private space development.


Again, this sounds too much like the space *critics* lament that 'We
should take care of our problems on Earth first..."

Indeed, I agree with the assertion of a former NASA engineer, turned
Jesuit preist, when he said; "Anywhere Man can learn to live, he can
learn to pick a fight."

But that's still no reason not to go...


The first step would be to declassify things.


What things did you have in mind?


The second step would be to allow private property ownership of
celestial bodies and of regions in space


Agreed, but as usual, the Devil's in the details...


The third step would be to create a technology transfer and development
agency, like NACA of old, (this could be a role for NASA) that would
aid in the development of commercial space travel (just like NACA
helped commercial aviation)
The fourth step would be to create a court system that would settle
disputes on the space frontier.


See above...


The fifth step would be to reduce or eliminate taxes on space based
assets and resources.


At least temporairily, yes.


Then, the stage would be set. You'd have reliable information,
knowledgeable support, funding of commonly used assets, like
spaceports, and a legal and tax basis for investment.

What would folks invest in?

Delta class reusable unpiloted launchers.
Advanced telecommunications satellite networks (ala Teledesic)

Nova class reusable piloted launchers
Advanced solar power satellite networks

Orion class reusable piloted launchers
Asteroid capture & Advanced factory satellite networks

Manufacture of Farm satellites and forest satellites from captured
asteroids

Low cost ballistic transport using laser sustained detonation
Low cost orbital access and Space homes

Mobile space homes

Interplanetary communications and navigation network
Interstellar communications and navigation network

Collision of films at 1/3 light speed to manufacture black hole dusts
Creation of new technology based on charged/spinning miniature black
holes interacting.

Superluminal travel
Time travel
Time communication

Um, await evidence of the last three, before asking for investment...

Superlogic

Not sure what this is....

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Joann Evans wrote:
William Mook wrote:

Its their money dude, not yours, not ours. Its their
responsibility to
spend it in ways that increase their shareholder's value. If you
could
show them how to increase their shareholder's value by spending
their
shareholder's money, they'd *have* to do it - if it was the best
way to
increase that value.

So, the challenge isn't theirs, its yours - to figure out how to
make a
buck on space investments.

That ain't gonna happen because space travel technology is also the
technology of missile proliferation - and we can't afford to have
that
technology as common as computers or automobiles or airplanes. Not
until we get our house in order and end international rivalry. And
that ain't gonna happen too soon.


You assume that all countries and private groups agree with that.
Hopefully they won't. Certainly the startups out there now, don't.
Money, not world conflict, is their problem.


Money is their problem beacause they lack credibility. They lack
credibility because there is no solid knowledge by which money can
judge their efforts, no solid way of vetting their technology and
approach, no firm idea of what value they bring to the table, and large
multipliers of risk due to unknown and unknowable regulatory
environment.



But, after a successful war on terror,


How would we know when we get there?

No more terror acts.

There will never be a
Representative Of All Terrorists, who will sign surrender papers on
the
deck of a battleship....

There will come a day when people will not think it wise to sacrifice
their children in senseless bombing and killing. There will come a
time when people will look around and the whole world looks like Beruit
in the 1980s and say, this is enough of this. That day the war on
terror will be over.


after reducing nuclear weapons
to zero, after creating a coalition of strong nations to disarm the
weaker nations, and then reductions of the strong nation's military
-
if all that could happen - then, maybe, just maybe, we could allow
private space development.


Again, this sounds too much like the space *critics* lament that
'We
should take care of our problems on Earth first..."

No, its just a fact. Missile proliferation is a problem because of the
existence of nuclear weapons. There are laws and policies right now
that are designed to limit missile proliferation. These make any
commercial space enterprise not directly sanctioned by the US
government a non-starter.


Indeed, I agree with the assertion of a former NASA engineer,
turned
Jesuit preist, when he said; "Anywhere Man can learn to live, he can
learn to pick a fight."

There will never be peace in the world, or the solar system, until
there is peace within. (okay, you started the religious crap, so don't
blame me!)

But that's still no reason not to go...

There is a powerful reason to do whatever we can in space right now.
That reason is to engender a sense of open ended possibility in the
global community. This sense of wonder, especially if promoted by the
United States, benefits primarily the United States. It helps in our
war on terror by capturing the imagination of the youth worldwide
turning them away from the wonders of 11th century dogma. So, it
helps. Its worth doing now.

We're not talking about whether we should do space travel or not. We
are talking about what would have to take place for commercial space
transport to develop and grow into a spaceship in every garage. We can
do much in space right now, and we should. But we can't have a
spaceship in every garage until certain things are in place.


The first step would be to declassify things.


What things did you have in mind?

Whatever is classified now related to missile technology. What about
the codes for re-entry vehicles, as an example?


The second step would be to allow private property ownership of
celestial bodies and of regions in space


Agreed, but as usual, the Devil's in the details...

Correct. But the US has a good example with its property law. This is
something that if initiated by the US it could be carried out in less
than a year. After that, there would be a land rush for Mars and other
celestial bodies. The things we talk about here, and more besides,
stuff that seem like science fiction now, would become the central
activity of the business world. With that, trillions of dollars would
be unleashed by the private markets.



The third step would be to create a technology transfer and
development
agency, like NACA of old, (this could be a role for NASA) that
would
aid in the development of commercial space travel (just like NACA
helped commercial aviation)
The fourth step would be to create a court system that would settle
disputes on the space frontier.


See above...


Again, this is something like the action above, that can be carried out
in a year and cost the government no money whatever.

The fifth step would be to reduce or eliminate taxes on space based
assets and resources.


At least temporairily, yes.


Yes, the first 18 years in space (the term of patents) of any new sort
of space based asset or the development of any new sort of space based
resource, could be tax free. That should get the ball rolling - we
could even have a process similar to patent process that gives letters
that allow the holder to operate tax free for that period.

Then, the stage would be set. You'd have reliable information,
knowledgeable support, funding of commonly used assets, like
spaceports, and a legal and tax basis for investment.

What would folks invest in?

Delta class reusable unpiloted launchers.
Advanced telecommunications satellite networks (ala Teledesic)

Nova class reusable piloted launchers
Advanced solar power satellite networks

Orion class reusable piloted launchers
Asteroid capture & Advanced factory satellite networks

Manufacture of Farm satellites and forest satellites from captured
asteroids

Low cost ballistic transport using laser sustained detonation
Low cost orbital access and Space homes

Mobile space homes

Interplanetary communications and navigation network
Interstellar communications and navigation network

Collision of films at 1/3 light speed to manufacture black hole
dusts
Creation of new technology based on charged/spinning miniature
black
holes interacting.

Superluminal travel
Time travel
Time communication

Um, await evidence of the last three, before asking for
investment...

Correct.


Superlogic

Not sure what this is....


http://www.frc.ri.cmu.edu/~hpm/book97/
http://www.penguinputnam.com/static/...pts/exmain.htm


I seem to recall Hans Moravec and/or Ray Kurzweil talk about such
things. Basically, if you can signal through time, even over a
distance of micro-seconds, you can create all sorts of interesting
circuits that bring into existence a new sort of conciousness... one
that can gather information from a device's future to determine its
behavior today. It creates a sort of temporal feedback loop that makes
super intelligent behavior (because its always appropriate to the
machine's set point) super easy to implement.

There is also the possibility of quantum logic, wherein the quantum
state of the computing machine is never know until the final solution
to the problem is available. In this way q-bits can explore lots of
states simultaneously. This may be a way to break security codes,
figure out passwords and the like. I'm not sure that involves time
travel - although some have described this as travel to parellel
dimensions.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...061572-7819107
http://www.2think.org/hii/tfor.shtml

But quantum computers are being worked on today and don't require the
development of space travel or the possible products of space travel.



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"William Mook" wrote in message
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The second step would be to allow private property ownership of
celestial bodies and of regions in space

But the US has a bad example with its property law. This is something
that if initiated by the US it could be carried out in less than a
year. After that, there would be an anti-competitive monopolization
rush for Mars and other celestial bodies. The things we talk about
here, and more besides, stuff that seem like speculation as usual now,
would become the central activity of the gangsta world. With that,
trillions of dollars would be cornered by the privateering markets.

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Royal Libertarian wrote:
"William Mook" wrote in message
oups.com...

The second step would be to allow private property ownership of
celestial bodies and of regions in space

But the US has a bad example with its property law.

Bull****. The US has 4% of the world's population and 5% of its
surface area, yet comprises 25% of its wealth. So, if the goal is to
create wealth the US is a good example.

This is something
that if initiated by the US it could be carried out in less than a
year. After that, there would be an anti-competitive monopolization
rush for Mars and other celestial bodies.

Depends on the details. The new science of emerging systems provides a
wide range of solutions to allow the markets do all we expect of them
in creating efficient solutions to complex problems of wealth creation.

The things we talk about
here, and more besides, stuff that seem like speculation as usual
now,
would become the central activity of the gangsta world.

The point is no matter how you characterize the interests of those with
capital, capital would flow naturally into space development once the
changes I outline were adopted, which is the point of this post.
Trillions of dollars per year would be invested and as this enterprise
grew, hundreds of trillions of dollars would eventually flow to space
development, producing tens of quadrillions of dollars of value for
humanity - making everyone alive a millionaire or better by today's
standards.

With that,
trillions of dollars would be cornered by the privateering markets.

So? They deserve it for putting money at risk.