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I realize that all spacecraft require some degree of radiation hardening,
but within reasonable limits, what are the altitude ranges that might be recommended for earth satellites for equatorial orbit? I understand that there are two particularly intense belts of radiation; at what altitudes might they best be avoided? Jim McCauley |
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"Jim McCauley" wrote in message
... I realize that all spacecraft require some degree of radiation hardening, but within reasonable limits, what are the altitude ranges that might be recommended for earth satellites for equatorial orbit? I understand that there are two particularly intense belts of radiation; at what altitudes might they best be avoided? Jim McCauley Equatorial orbit (geosynchronous orbit) is *only* at (approx) 35,000km. Ken |
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Jim McCauley wrote: I realize that all spacecraft require some degree of radiation hardening... LEO satellites don't really need anything beyond error-correcting memory... and in an equatorial orbit, probably not even that. (Almost all of the bit-flips in memory occur during passage through either the South Atlantic Anomaly or one of the auroral ovals, and an equatorial orbit encounters neither.) ...within reasonable limits, what are the altitude ranges that might be recommended for earth satellites for equatorial orbit? The fast answer is that anything between 1000km and geostationary altitude (about 36000km) needs serious radiation hardening and is best avoided. Those boundaries are fuzzy; sensitive applications (e.g. manned) would want to give either a somewhat wider berth, while mildly hardened satellites can intrude on either somewhat. And the outer region of the belts is quite dynamic. -- "Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer -- George Herbert | |
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On 2005-02-28, Ken Taylor wrote:
"Jim McCauley" wrote in message ... I realize that all spacecraft require some degree of radiation hardening, but within reasonable limits, what are the altitude ranges that might be recommended for earth satellites for equatorial orbit? I understand that there are two particularly intense belts of radiation; at what altitudes might they best be avoided? Equatorial orbit (geosynchronous orbit) is *only* at (approx) 35,000km. Note that whilst geosynchronous orbits are equatorial, equatorial orbits do not have to be geosynchronous; you can quite happily have a satellite in LEO, just at an orbital inclination of zero degrees. -- -Andrew Gray |
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Henry Spencer wrote:
In article , Jim McCauley wrote: I realize that all spacecraft require some degree of radiation hardening... LEO satellites don't really need anything beyond error-correcting memory... and in an equatorial orbit, probably not even that. (Almost all of the bit-flips in memory occur during passage through either the South Atlantic Anomaly or one of the auroral ovals, and an equatorial orbit encounters neither.) This is a very optimistic statement! Bit flips may occur in memories already when you are flying in a passenger aircraft across the poles. IIRC the shuttle computers get a couple of hundred bit flips per mission at 28 degrees inclination, even more at ISS orbit inclination. -- th |
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In sci.space.science th wrote:
This is a very optimistic statement! Bit flips may occur in memories already when you are flying in a passenger aircraft across the poles. IIRC the shuttle computers get a couple of hundred bit flips per mission at 28 degrees inclination, even more at ISS orbit inclination. Heck, terrestrial computers were/are getting bit flips and whatnot in their caches and such even in places like Denver, necessitating ECC on the caches and the like. With enough bits sitting there waiting to be flipped...? rick jones -- a wide gulf separates "what if" from "if only" these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... ![]() feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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"Andrew Gray" wrote in message
. .. On 2005-02-28, Ken Taylor wrote: "Jim McCauley" wrote in message ... I realize that all spacecraft require some degree of radiation hardening, but within reasonable limits, what are the altitude ranges that might be recommended for earth satellites for equatorial orbit? I understand that there are two particularly intense belts of radiation; at what altitudes might they best be avoided? Equatorial orbit (geosynchronous orbit) is *only* at (approx) 35,000km. Note that whilst geosynchronous orbits are equatorial, equatorial orbits do not have to be geosynchronous; you can quite happily have a satellite in LEO, just at an orbital inclination of zero degrees. -- -Andrew Gray Touché. Mental note - keep fingers off keyboard before second cuppa. Ken |
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JRS: In article , dated
Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:05:56, seen in news:sci.space.science, Andrew Gray posted : On 2005-02-28, Ken Taylor wrote: "Jim McCauley" wrote in message ... I realize that all spacecraft require some degree of radiation hardening, but within reasonable limits, what are the altitude ranges that might be recommended for earth satellites for equatorial orbit? I understand that there are two particularly intense belts of radiation; at what altitudes might they best be avoided? Equatorial orbit (geosynchronous orbit) is *only* at (approx) 35,000km. But 35,000 km from where? Either "altitude" or "radius" is needed. Note that whilst geosynchronous orbits are equatorial, equatorial orbits do not have to be geosynchronous; you can quite happily have a satellite in LEO, just at an orbital inclination of zero degrees. Surely it is only geostationary orbits that have to be equatorial; and they must also be circular. Any orbit with a period of one day can reasonably be termed geosynchronous. -- © John Stockton, Surrey, UK. Turnpike v4.00 MIME. © Web URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/ - FAQqish topics, acronyms & links; Astro stuff via astron-1.htm, gravity0.htm ; quotings.htm, pascal.htm, etc. No Encoding. Quotes before replies. Snip well. Write clearly. Don't Mail News. |
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In article ,
th wrote: LEO satellites don't really need anything beyond error-correcting memory... and in an equatorial orbit, probably not even that. (Almost all of the bit-flips in memory occur during passage through either the South Atlantic Anomaly or one of the auroral ovals, and an equatorial orbit encounters neither.) This is a very optimistic statement! Bit flips may occur in memories already when you are flying in a passenger aircraft across the poles. IIRC the shuttle computers get a couple of hundred bit flips per mission at 28 degrees inclination, even more at ISS orbit inclination. Please read what I wrote: the auroral ovals (around the magnetic poles) and the South Atlantic Anomaly (which both a 28deg orbit and the ISS orbit pass through) are the big hot spots for radiation effects. If you plot memory errors vs. location on a map, they're very obvious. An equatorial orbit *doesn't pass through those hot spots*. Now, if I were building a satellite for an equatorial LEO, I probably *would* put error-correcting memory in it, just on general principles. But one might well be able to get away without it. The severity of the radiation problem in space is much exaggerated. The MOST astronomy satellite, in about the worst possible LEO -- relatively high and polar -- has error-correcting memory, and some care was taken in the design of its electronics, but it has no rad-hard parts. (The project couldn't afford them.) It's coming up on two years in orbit, and the only radiation effect yet visible is some drift in the calibration of some sensors. -- "Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer -- George Herbert | |
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th wrote:
Henry Spencer wrote: LEO satellites don't really need anything beyond error-correcting memory... and in an equatorial orbit, probably not even that. (Almost all of the bit-flips in memory occur during passage through either the South Atlantic Anomaly or one of the auroral ovals, and an equatorial orbit encounters neither.) This is a very optimistic statement! Bit flips may occur in memories already when you are flying in a passenger aircraft across the poles. IIRC the shuttle computers get a couple of hundred bit flips per mission at 28 degrees inclination, even more at ISS orbit inclination. And error correcting memories can correct for bit flips as long as the rate is not too high. Specifically, given a rate of buildup, a rate of cycling the memory and correcting flips, and a degree of error correction you arrive at a specific probability of memory corruption over a specific time period given the known characteristics of the radiation environment. You can then adjust, if possible, the degree of error correction used to give your mission a certain probability of memory corruption during the mission (e.g. one in a million). If you cannot adjust the amount of error correction you use sufficiently to meet your reliability goals, then you need to switch to different hardware or accept different goals. Of course, this is a simplified analysis, and there are other important details, but that's the meat of the problem, I think. |
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