GUTH Venus is way too hot for even Bad Astronomy

Since most of the 'sci.skeptic' and multiple other such sci.all-knowing
forums as 'badastronomy' that usually suck are not really honest
'skeptics', 'science', 'physics', or even wizards about squat, in fact
they're mostly mainstream dog-wagging spinners of hype and
damage-control borgs functioning on behalf of contributing whatever
suits their pagan God(NASA/Apollo). I've noticed how they've buckled
under questioning, by way of their usually going off-topic and/or not
answering specific questions, other than quoting from their scripted and
thereby pre-approved NASA/Apollo bible.

Such as; I've never had problems with images of our moon obtained from
orbit, not from anything Apollo while in orbit, via Hubble or the likes
of KECK, as they each depict a mostly basalt dark moon as it should be,
in places as little as 3%(coal like) reflective, at best 25% reflecting
in only an extremely few maximum lunar white-out zones.

Why did there seem to be so much terrain that was 55+% reflective once
upon the lunar surface?

How is it that selective portions of their lunar terrain were
retro-reflective?

Why was there's never darker substances exposed under and/or all about
those undocumented landers, as depicted from images obtained from orbit
that clearly indicated 5% or less reflective index wherever NASA/Apollo
pointed out as being official landing sites?

Why wasn't it much hotter than reported while supposedly walking on the
actual dark lunar surface?

At 1.4 kw/m2 worth of continual influx, and doesn't IR energy reflect?

Why was the Kodak eye (unfiltered except for a full spectrum band-pass
polarised filter) so unable to record the 256 fold increase in near-UV
and UV/a energy?

Where the heck was the Sirius star system all of this time?

Where was good old blazing Venus all of this time?

Why was the film exposure to the 'blue' of our American flag subdued?

How did the raw solar spectrum become so nicely xenon like?

Why was the 3+g/cm lunar basalt and other supposedly heavier substance
so none-reactive?

Where did all the meteorites and their impact strewn shards go?

Why was there never once a dust-bunny impacting at 30 km/s or even 3
km/s?

Why is there still nothing of interactive scientific instrumentation
deployed upon the moon?

What's the secondary difference between the illuminated side of the moon
as compared to the nighttime side, or didn't our command modules (on 7+
Apollo occasions) and numerous other robotic missions before and after
ever once bother to record squat as to such raw surface emissions of
thermal and radiation levels that should have been rather easily
recorded differentials from such a 100+km orbit?

In further retrospect; exactly how long does it require for ice to
vaporise in space?

The same goes for dry-ice(frozen CO2), how much time per ccm or per m3
into vapor?

In spite of all the orchestrated flak imposed against my suggestions on
behalf of seriously accomplishing nothing but good and honorable things
with ISS, I also have managed to create a few other related topics,
several of which are not specifically about our moon or Titan, though in
more than a few ways offering just about everything under the sun on
behalf of improving future space exploration and just plain old space
travel bang for the buck/euro that's at least indirectly related to
folks utilizing our moon as a rather necessary gravitational booster
shot. Of such missions passing as close to the moon as possible hasn't
even been such a new idea, it just so happens to coincide with the even
better physics and science logic and numerous other values of what the
LSE-CM/ISS is good for.

"Terraforming the moon, before doing Mars or Venus"
"The Moon, LSE-CM/ISS, Venus and beyond, with He3 to burn"
"Lunar/Moon Space Elevator, plus another ISS within the CM"
"Space Policy Sucks, while there's Life on Venus"
"Ice Ages directly regulated by Sirius"
"SETI/GUTH Venus, no kidding"
"Terraforming the moon"
"Relocate ISS to ME-L1"

Relocation of ISS to ME-L1 is certainly much easier said than done, but
at least it's something that's been doable. For the benefit of salvaging
our environment, extracting and exporting helium-3(He3/3He) to Earth is
just offering a little beneficial fusion icing on the cake.

Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm


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I have no freaking idea as to how or why the previous reply got so
screwed up. Perhaps I'll have to repost, along with a few testy
improvement.

In the meanwhile it's lose cannon time again.
Since folks haven't been playing by the rules, by way of their not
accomplishing a damn honest thing except reinforcing upon their
mainstream status quo or bust, which represents that they're knowingly
remaining as pro perpetrated cold-war(s) and thereby pro upon every
dastardly aspect that goes along with it. As such, I may have to post
the following on behalf of someone other that actually matters, of
getting their attention focused upon the truth of what's obtainable on
roughly one cent upon the dollar, or rather on a payback of perhaps
10:1 if the LSE-CM/ISS and of interplanetary communications is only
worth 10% of what I've anticipated. Do the math.

Discrediting the LSE-CM/ISS from what's technically obtainable, and
then especially discounting Venus from the zone of life is about as
intellectually pathetic as milking a cow and then eating the damn cow
so that via evidence exclusion one can deny where that milk ever came
from.

In so many different words, I'll 'say it again Sam'; there's no law of
physics nor other scientific exclusionary interpretations that forbids
other life from coexisting upon Venus, and to even think otherwise is
being borg-like arrogant and/or illusionary if not criminally insane.

The likes of F.W. Taylor, P.L. Read, S.R. Lewis, John Ackerman and
James McCanney haven't gone so far as to exclude other life, especially
other evolution that's survival smarter than humanity (how hard could
that be?), thus along with a little intelligent design and if need be
applied technology as for accommodating other life upon Venus isn't
impossible. Persay, these individuals are not even your average village
idiots, nor are there none others accepting towards an alternative view
of Venus, as well as upon the positive notions of what our moon has to
offer. So, what's your problem?

Of course, and whatever you do, don't bother telling anything to our
NASA because, they still think the moon is nothing but a worthless mass
of something ejected from the core of mother Earth, and that it can be
safely walked upon for days on end while in essentially an EVA
birthday-suit, just like they think Mars and Venus are essentially the
same age as Earth, and that our solar system has never been anywhere
near the Sirius star system, much less arriving on any 105,000 year
orbit association with Sirius.

So, unless you have some new and improved interpretations of the laws
of physics, biology and/or that of applied technology that couldn't
persay be of any value nor even adapted as to function upon Venus, as
please do contribute whatever it is that you've got. Otherwise, and if
need be just for the sporting fun of it all, contribute something on
behalf of the positive side of these can-do topics, which isn't
stipulating that you or anyone other has to concur entirely with my
interpretations, although it might be a little nice if you were at
least somewhere in the ballpark.

Regards, Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm

Try bouncing your world and moon off Jupiter, and see what happens.

And I bet you think that my notions are strange about Venus, just wait
until you read into what 'John Ackerman' has to offer that's based as
much as possible upon his hard-science matter of fact interpretations
as to what a few instruments have told us about Venus, and otherwise of
what the oral and reinterpreted recorded history of events that seem to
indicate Venus wasn't always with us, which even somewhat ties into my
weird science logic of what our 750,000 year time-line of CO2 and of
other atmospheric elements having suggested our close association with
the near-UV and UV/a likes of the Sirius star system seems to remain as
the one and only viable external alternative for qualifying the
long-term (105,000 year) cycle of the ice-ages and otherwise
responsible for the necessary window timeline of massive growth cycles
for the likes of diatoms that very much appreciated the longer days
that were absolutely chuck full of near-UV and UV/a photons like we've
never seen before.

Although I don't entirely agree with the Jupiter impact logic, at least
it could have easily represented the massive red zone having been
created upon Jupiter and, it would certainly have represented why our
Venus is so relatively newish in geological terms, and just possibly of
where our moon was derived from. As certainly if the moon of Venus came
along for the ride, after bouncing off Jupiter it certainly would not
have retained the same degree of gravitational association with it's
mother world as those two badly damaged orbs passed nearby Earth.

This sort makes for another terrific super-computer model of
accomplishing all the variables and then watching where each of the
marbles eventually ends up. Since this can be accomplished and it seems
decades after the facts as odd that it hasn't been run through the
mill. Lo and behold, it must therefore represent that it's a darn good
chance of being every bit if not a whole lot better off than the
physics joke of having Earth giving birth to our moon in order that the
supposed moon rocks appear as nearly identical to those of Earth.

At the same time, of what 'John Ackerman' has to offer isn't ruling out
other life, at least not if it were that of imported/visiting ETs or
possibly the remote chance of whatever surviving DNA having come back
to life after their home world bounced off Jupiter. Brother, talk about
folks and their DNA having a seriously bad day, year, century next to
forever after surviving that little happenstance from hell.

http://www.firmament-chaos.com/recent_papers.html
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
John Ackerman, An Alternate View of Venus - July 2002
"Summary: Venus is a hot new planet due to its recent catastrophic
birth from an impact on Jupiter. Evidence presented is based on NASA
Pioneer Venus and Soviet Venera data. Its great internal heat is being
transferred through the crust by the high speed venting of S8, a
staggered ring molecule, via over 200,000 'small domes.' Although S8
dominates the lower atmosphere it was not detected because its mass was
beyond the range of the PV mass spectrometer. S8 crystallizes at
exactly the temperature of the lower cloud layer. It is the great mass
of these heavy molecules and crystals that load the lower atmosphere
and cause the high atmospheric pressure (~91 atm.) at the surface, not
CO2. Radiation from raw lava exposed in surface cracks was registered
by the sensitive radiometer as the main probe passed through the lower
cloud layer, but was arbitrarly thrown out by the scientists "because
signals in all channels increased unreasonably." Much of the other data
was dismissed or misinterpreted in order to be consistent with the
assumed uniformitarian paradigm "

This science author sort of makes the notion of surviving Earth
throughout the worst possible dark ages, mutiple ice-ages and at some
point being pulverized by nearly moon sized meteors a freaking walk in
the park, and that's even if you've been pointed out as hiding WMD and
Osama bin Laden, as I'd rather take on the task of surviving Venus than
the lose cannon wrath of warlord GW Bush, or even if you were a Cathar
with a Pope hot on your trail.

Unfortunately, there's a good amount of what 'John Ackerman' has to say
about Venus that's holding water sort of speak. Although, I personally
believe the crust of Venus is a whole lot more robust than a mere
killometer thick, as per even 10 km thickness is still going to be more
than capable of transfering thermal core energy like there's no
tomarrow. In fact, I'd tend to be on the average of 100 km chrust
thickness side of his relatively short geological timeline argument,
which is not to say there aren't a few remaining one killometer
hot-spots that should be avoided at all cost.

On the flip side of my lose cannon scientific methods, since I'm not
nearly as warm and fuzzy as are these cloned wizards of this and so
many other forums that usually suck, whereas in spite of their
orchestrated flak I'll still offer a few too many of my very own testy
topics (some of which may have timed out) dealing with the likes of our
moon, others with regard to photons, and of course as to the other life
that's existing upon Venus which probably ****ed you off simply because
you hadn't thought of it or otherwise so much as considered of what's
been possible all along;

Photons/Universe or Neutrinos/Universe
How much of Earth is shrinking; 10 mm/year?
Terraforming the moon, before doing Mars or Venus
Anti-Matter/Photons as Blackholes, or 1e100 photons/atom
The Moon, LSE-CM/ISS, Venus and beyond, with He3 to burn
Lunar/Moon Space Elevator, plus another ISS within the CM
Ice Ages directly regulated by Sirius
SETI/GUTH Venus, no kidding
Terraforming the moon
Relocate ISS to ME-L1
MAILGATE sucks, or at least NSA/MI6 sucks
Space Policy Sucks, while there's Life on Venus
Censorship of ET truth and nothing but the truth

Otherwise perform a basic search for 'brad guth', or just about
anything including 'guth'.

BTW; If none of those topics are worth your valuable time or within
your expertise, in that case I have a few dozen other topics I'd like
nothing better than improved upon the math and of whatever otherwise
makes the most sense, of which having to make sense doesn't necessarily
have to be whatever the status quo has been insisting, as God forbid
should they be even 1% wrong or perhaps telling the truth and nothing
but the truth and it's 'nondisclosure' self-destruct time.

Basic township that's situated upon Venus:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Basic LSE (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Other available topics by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm