Specific Impulse of cyclic ozone?

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-05e.html
The attached article notes that Dr. Robert Levis et al
at Temple University's Center for Advanced Photonics
Research is attempting to manufacture cyclic ozone.

It goes on to state that while mundane ozone contains
about 1.5 volts in its molecular bonds, cyclic ozone
has about 3.0 volts. Utilized as an oxidizer
with hydrogen fuel, "rockets could be able to carry
one-third more payload".

Does anybody have any figures on the approximate
specific impulse of a hydrogen-cyclic ozone rocket?

Wow, I didn't know anyone was still seriously considering something
like this. Ozone is bad news - it is explosive pretty much by itself!
This stuff sounds like it would be like nitroglycerin!

If they could stabilize it, it would be interesting. My guess would be
that it could take hydrocarbons to the 450s, hydrogen to the 500s. I
don't know if you can get more than guesses without more information
(thus the research, I suppose).

I doubt they will be able to stabilize it, though. Most people just
think it is the nature of Ozone to explode...

-David

Nyrath the nearly wise wrote:

Does anybody have any figures on the approximate
specific impulse of a hydrogen-cyclic ozone rocket?

I seem to recall reading that ozone/hydrogen would have a specific
impulse of about 520.

Mike Miller, Materials Engineer

Nyrath the nearly wise wrote in
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http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-05e.html

Liquid ozone has a notorious reputation for extreme and
explosive instability; I'm not sure how this 'cyclic'
ozone is supposed to be more stable, if it's going to be
useable at all.

Might be nice if it were, and could be economically
produced in the required quantities. Trouble is, usually
the more energetic the chemistry, the less stable it
is.

Is 'normal' ozone more of a radical, with one of the
oxygen atoms loosely bound, and 'cyclic' ozone more
securely bound?


--Damon

In article ,
Nyrath the nearly wise wrote:
It goes on to state that while mundane ozone contains
about 1.5 volts in its molecular bonds, cyclic ozone
has about 3.0 volts...
Does anybody have any figures on the approximate
specific impulse of a hydrogen-cyclic ozone rocket?

Considering that regular ozone is not used as an oxidizer because it is
a powerful and touchy explosive, I don't even want to *think* about a
version packing twice as much energy...
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"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nyrath the nearly wise wrote:
It goes on to state that while mundane ozone contains
about 1.5 volts in its molecular bonds, cyclic ozone
has about 3.0 volts...
Does anybody have any figures on the approximate
specific impulse of a hydrogen-cyclic ozone rocket?

Considering that regular ozone is not used as an oxidizer because it is
a powerful and touchy explosive, I don't even want to *think* about a
version packing twice as much energy...

But can it be passivated? (PS: how does passivation work?)

(Henry Spencer) writes:

In article ,
Nyrath the nearly wise wrote:
It goes on to state that while mundane ozone contains
about 1.5 volts in its molecular bonds, cyclic ozone
has about 3.0 volts...
Does anybody have any figures on the approximate
specific impulse of a hydrogen-cyclic ozone rocket?

Considering that regular ozone is not used as an oxidizer because it is
a powerful and touchy explosive, I don't even want to *think* about a
version packing twice as much energy...


Oh, come now, of *course* you want to *think* about it. And I, at least,
want to *think* about making it entirely from Oxygen-14, for that extra
dose of insanity...

Might this be the Holy Grail, the propellant that fits all nine DOT/UN
hazard categories simultaneously?


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Damon Hill wrote:

Liquid ozone has a notorious reputation for extreme and
explosive instability; I'm not sure how this 'cyclic'
ozone is supposed to be more stable, if it's going to be
useable at all.

Extremely dumb question:

would the cyclic physical format (isomer?), which I assume is an equilateral
triangle, make it more stable than a normal linear ozone molecule?

Malcolm

(Sorry, *hated* chemistry at uni so didn't take in as much as I should have)

Henry Spencer wrote:
Considering that regular ozone is not used as an oxidizer because it
is a powerful and touchy explosive, I don't even want to *think*
about a version packing twice as much energy...

A peanut gallery question - would it be more touchy than antimatter?

rick jones
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Roger Stokes wrote:

"Henry Spencer" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nyrath the nearly wise wrote:
It goes on to state that while mundane ozone contains
about 1.5 volts in its molecular bonds, cyclic ozone
has about 3.0 volts...
Does anybody have any figures on the approximate
specific impulse of a hydrogen-cyclic ozone rocket?

Considering that regular ozone is not used as an oxidizer because it is
a powerful and touchy explosive, I don't even want to *think* about a
version packing twice as much energy...

But can it be passivated? (PS: how does passivation work?)

You add anger management chemicals.