[GENESIS] Update on Genesis impact

....What is known at this time:

* Drogue should have deployed long before long range cameras picked up
capsule. Previous report that drogue was deployed was NASA PAO gaffe.

* Impact was at ~100 MPH.

* No guesses as to why chutes did not deploy.

* Capsule impacted rather near a road, which should facilitate
recovery.

OM

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On 9/8/04 9:07 AM, in article ,
"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

...What is known at this time:

* Drogue should have deployed long before long range cameras picked up
capsule. Previous report that drogue was deployed was NASA PAO gaffe.

* Impact was at ~100 MPH.

* No guesses as to why chutes did not deploy.

* Capsule impacted rather near a road, which should facilitate
recovery.


Close-up photos show many cracks, lid knocked off, etc. - about like you
would expect. Total loss, I would guess.

Brett

OM wrote:
...What is known at this time:

* Drogue should have deployed long before long range cameras picked up
capsule. Previous report that drogue was deployed was NASA PAO gaffe.

* Impact was at ~100 MPH.

* No guesses as to why chutes did not deploy.

* Capsule impacted rather near a road, which should facilitate
recovery.

OM


What was the last mission that failed due to chute malfunction? Komarov
on Soyuz 1?

"Harald Kucharek" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
OM wrote:
...What is known at this time:

* Drogue should have deployed long before long range cameras picked up
capsule. Previous report that drogue was deployed was NASA PAO gaffe.

* Impact was at ~100 MPH.

* No guesses as to why chutes did not deploy.

* Capsule impacted rather near a road, which should facilitate
recovery.

OM


What was the last mission that failed due to chute malfunction? Komarov
on Soyuz 1?


No, there was an ESA-Probe in the 90th that crashed in Western Africa.

Jens Roser wrote:
"Harald Kucharek" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

OM wrote:

...What is known at this time:

* Drogue should have deployed long before long range cameras picked up
capsule. Previous report that drogue was deployed was NASA PAO gaffe.

* Impact was at ~100 MPH.

* No guesses as to why chutes did not deploy.

* Capsule impacted rather near a road, which should facilitate
recovery.

OM


What was the last mission that failed due to chute malfunction? Komarov
on Soyuz 1?



No, there was an ESA-Probe in the 90th that crashed in Western Africa.


I only remember it came down in the wrong place. But did also the chutes
didn't open?

Brett Buck wrote in message ...
On 9/8/04 9:07 AM, in article ,
"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

...What is known at this time:

* Drogue should have deployed long before long range cameras picked up
capsule. Previous report that drogue was deployed was NASA PAO gaffe.

* Impact was at ~100 MPH.

* No guesses as to why chutes did not deploy.

* Capsule impacted rather near a road, which should facilitate
recovery.


Close-up photos show many cracks, lid knocked off, etc. - about like you
would expect. Total loss, I would guess.

Brett


As I understand it. The capsule impacting the ground with the chute
deployed would have shattered the payload disks, hence the planned air
recovery. So it follows an impact without the chute deployed would
result in as you say a total loss.

My condolences to the team of this project. I cannot imagine what they
are going through. So close, yet so, so far.

On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Christian Ramos wrote:

Brett Buck wrote in message ...
On 9/8/04 9:07 AM, in article ,
"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

...What is known at this time:

* Drogue should have deployed long before long range cameras picked up
capsule. Previous report that drogue was deployed was NASA PAO gaffe.

* Impact was at ~100 MPH.

* No guesses as to why chutes did not deploy.

* Capsule impacted rather near a road, which should facilitate
recovery.


Close-up photos show many cracks, lid knocked off, etc. - about like you
would expect. Total loss, I would guess.

Brett


As I understand it. The capsule impacting the ground with the chute
deployed would have shattered the payload disks, hence the planned air
recovery. So it follows an impact without the chute deployed would
result in as you say a total loss.

My condolences to the team of this project. I cannot imagine what they
are going through. So close, yet so, so far.


All may not be lost just yet. The latest report from Spaceflight Now
states that the capsule and canister, while cracked and broken, has
allowed a view inside, and that it appears that some of the collector
surfaces are intact on the structure in which they are mounted. The
biggest concern is, of course, contamination of the sample surfaces, if
they are indeed still intact.
-Mike

On 9/8/04 6:40 PM, in article ,
"Mike Dicenso" wrote:



On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Christian Ramos wrote:

Brett Buck wrote in message
...
On 9/8/04 9:07 AM, in article ,
"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

...What is known at this time:

* Drogue should have deployed long before long range cameras picked up
capsule. Previous report that drogue was deployed was NASA PAO gaffe.

* Impact was at ~100 MPH.

* No guesses as to why chutes did not deploy.

* Capsule impacted rather near a road, which should facilitate
recovery.


Close-up photos show many cracks, lid knocked off, etc. - about like you
would expect. Total loss, I would guess.

Brett


As I understand it. The capsule impacting the ground with the chute
deployed would have shattered the payload disks, hence the planned air
recovery. So it follows an impact without the chute deployed would
result in as you say a total loss.

My condolences to the team of this project. I cannot imagine what they
are going through. So close, yet so, so far.


All may not be lost just yet. The latest report from Spaceflight Now
states that the capsule and canister, while cracked and broken, has
allowed a view inside, and that it appears that some of the collector
surfaces are intact on the structure in which they are mounted. The
biggest concern is, of course, contamination of the sample surfaces, if
they are indeed still intact.
-Mike

Hard to make much sense of it with 3 grains of solar material, and half a
pound of desert sand and salt. But it does sort of stand to reason that the
aerogel could survive a pretty good hit. 300g's * nothing is still nothing.


Maybe they can tell the difference between captured material and
post-crash contamination by seeing noting how long the tracks in the gel
are.
Brett

Brett Buck wrote:
Hard to make much sense of it with 3 grains of solar material, and half a
pound of desert sand and salt. But it does sort of stand to reason that the
aerogel could survive a pretty good hit. 300g's * nothing is still nothing.

Maybe they can tell the difference between captured material and
post-crash contamination by seeing noting how long the tracks in the gel
are.

Genesis doesn't use aerogel, you're thinking of Stardust.

Genesis uses ultra-pure crystalline disks made of
Silicon, Germanium, etc. During exposure to the high
speed ions in the solar wind those ions become
*embedded* within the crytalline matrices of the disks.
It is enormously likely that a substantial volume of
science data can still be gathered from these samples.
However, they will not be the be-all, end-all of
Solar Wind samples that the mission planners had hoped.
Their original goals included creating a set of samples
which were so pure, so clean, and so well preserved
that they would essentially be a "Solar Wind sample on
the shelf" for any new instrumentation or new technique
which came along that could be used to study their
composition in greater detail than we can now. That
goal has been quite handedly smashed to pieces, but
there is undoubtedly still good science left to be
done.

Think of it as, perhaps, Galileo with a stuck antenna
(and other problems). Flawed and crippled, but still
functional and potentially ground breaking in what it
can reveal.

In article ,
"Christopher M. Jones" writes:

Think of it as, perhaps, Galileo with a stuck antenna
(and other problems). Flawed and crippled, but still
functional and potentially ground breaking in what it
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can reveal.

In generatl I agree with you. But perhaps your choice of phrasing
could be a little different.

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