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http://www.lowell.edu/press_room/rel...rES-1_rls.html
For Immediate Release Lowell Observatory August 24, 2004 This is a joint announcement from the Astrophysical Institute of the Canaries (IAC), National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA), Lowell Observatory, and California Institute of Technology. Note to Editors: High-resolution artwork and animation of the newly discovered planet TrES-1 is posted online at http://www.lowell.edu/press_room/TrES-1_images.html Network of Small Telescopes Discovers Distant Planet Flagstaff, AZ - Fifteen years ago, the largest telescopes in the world had yet to locate a planet orbiting another star. Today telescopes no larger than those available in department stores are proving capable of spotting previously unknown worlds. A newfound planet detected by a small, 4-inch-diameter telescope demonstrates that we are at the cusp of a new age of planet discovery. Soon, new worlds may be located at an accelerating pace, bringing the detection of the first Earth-sized world one step closer. "This discovery demonstrates that even humble telescopes can make huge contributions to planet searches," says Guillermo Torres of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA), a co-author on the study. This is the first extrasolar planet discovery made by a dedicated survey of many thousands of relatively bright stars in large regions of the sky. It was made using the Trans-Atlantic Exoplanet Survey (TrES), a network of small, relatively inexpensive telescopes designed to look specifically for planets orbiting bright stars. A team of scientists co-led by Edward Dunham of Lowell Observatory, Timothy Brown of NCAR, and David Charbonneau (CfA), developed the TrES network. The network's telescopes are located in Palomar Observatory (California, USA), Lowell Observatory (Arizona, USA), and the Canary Islands (Spain). "The advantage of working as a network is that we can 'stretch the night' and monitor our fields for a longer time, increasing our chance of discovering a planet," says Georgi Mandushev (Lowell Observatory), a co-author of the paper. This research study will be posted online at http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0408421 and will appear in an upcoming issue of The Astrophysical Journal Letters. "It took several Ph.D. scientists working full-time to develop the data analysis methods for this search program, but the equipment itself uses simple, off-the-shelf components," says co-author David Charbonneau (CfA/Caltech). Although the small telescopes of the TrES network made the initial discovery, follow-up observations at other facilities were required. Observations at the W. M. Keck Observatory which operates the world's two largest telescopes in Hawaii for the University of California, Caltech, and NASA, were particularly crucial in confirming the planet's existence. Planet Shadows The newfound planet is a Jupiter-sized gas giant orbiting a star located about 500 light years from the Earth in the constellation Lyra. This world circles its star every 3.03 days at a distance of only 4 million miles (6 million kilometers), much closer and faster than the planet Mercury in our solar system. Although such planets are relatively common, astronomers used an uncommon technique to discover it. This world was found by the "transit method," which looks for a dip in a star's brightness when a planet crosses directly in front of the star and casts a shadow. A Jupiter-sized planet blocks only about 1/100th of the light from a Sun-like star, but that is enough to make it detectable. "This Jupiter-sized planet was observed doing the same thing that happened in June when Venus moved across (or transited) the face of our Sun," says Mandushev. "The difference is that this planet is outside our solar system, roughly 500 light years away." To be successful, transit searches must examine many stars because we only see a transit if a planetary system is located nearly edge-on to our line of sight. A number of different transit searches currently are underway. Most examine limited areas of the sky and focus on fainter stars because they are more common, thereby increasing the chances of finding a transiting system. However the TrES network concentrates on searching brighter stars in larger swaths of the sky because planets orbiting bright stars are easier to study directly. "All that we have to work with is the light that comes from the star," says Tim Brown (NCAR), a study co-author. "It's much harder to learn anything when the stars are faint." Most known extrasolar planets were found using the "Doppler method," which detects a planet's gravitational effect on its star by looking for shifts in the star's spectrum, or rainbow of colors. However, the information that can be gleaned about a planet using the Doppler method is limited. For example, only a lower limit to the mass can be determined because the angle at which we view the system is unknown. A high-mass brown dwarf whose orbit is highly inclined to our line of sight produces the same signal as a low-mass planet that is nearly edge-on. "When astronomers find a transiting planet, we know that its orbit is essentially edge-on, so we can calculate its exact mass. From the amount of light it blocks, we learn its physical size. In one instance, we've even been able to detect and study a giant planet's atmosphere," says Charbonneau. Sorting Suspects The TrES survey examined approximately 12,000 stars in 36 square degrees of the sky (about half of the size of the bowl of the Big Dipper) in the constellation of Lyra. Roi Alonso (IAC), a graduate student of Brown's, identified 16 possible candidates for planet transits. "The TrES survey gave us our initial line-up of suspects. Then, we had to make a lot of follow-up observations to eliminate the imposters," says co-author Alessandro Sozzetti (University of Pittsburgh/CfA). After compiling the list of candidates in late April, the researchers used telescopes at CfA's Whipple Observatory in Arizona, Oak Ridge Observatory in Massachusetts, and Lowell Observatory in Arizona to obtain additional photometric (brightness) observations, as well as spectroscopic observations that eliminated eclipsing binary stars. In a matter of two month's time, the team had zeroed in on the most promising candidate. High-resolution spectroscopic observations by Torres and Sozzetti using time provided by NASA on the 10-meter-diameter Keck I telescope in Hawaii clinched the case. "Without this follow-up work the photometric surveys can't tell which of their candidates are actually planets. The proof of the pudding is a spectroscopic orbit for the parent star. That's why the Keck observations of this star were so important in proving that we had found a true planetary system," says co-author David Latham (CfA). Remarkably Normal The planet, called TrES-1, is much like Jupiter in mass and size. It is likely to be a gas giant composed primarily of hydrogen and helium, the most common elements in the Universe. But unlike Jupiter, it orbits very close to its star, giving it a temperature of around 1500 degrees F. Astronomers are particularly interested in TrES-1 because its structure agrees so well with theory, in contrast to the first discovered transiting planet, HD 209458b. The latter world contains about the same mass as TrES-1, yet is around 30% larger in size. Even its proximity to its star and the accompanying heat don't explain such a large size. "Finding TrES-1 and seeing how normal it is makes us suspect that HD 209458b is an 'oddball' planet," says Charbonneau. TrES-1 orbits its star every 72 hours, placing it among a group of similar planets known as "hot Jupiters." Such worlds likely formed much further away from their stars and then migrated inward, sweeping away any other planets in the process. The many planetary systems found to contain hot Jupiters indicate that our solar system may be unusual for its relatively quiet history. Both the close orbit of TrES-1 and its migration history make it unlikely to possess any moons or rings. Nevertheless, astronomers will continue to examine this system closely because precise photometric observations may detect moons or rings if they exist. In addition, detailed spectroscopic observations may give clues to the presence and composition of the planet's atmosphere. The paper, "TrES-1: The Transiting Planet of a Bright K0V Star," descibing these results is authored by: Roi Alonso (IAC); Timothy M. Brown (NCAR); Guillermo Torres and David W. Latham (CfA); Alessandro Sozzetti (University of Pittsburgh/CfA); Georgi Mandushev (Lowell Observatory), Juan A. Belmonte (IAC); David Charbonneau (CfA/Caltech); Hans J. Deeg (IAC); Edward W. Dunham (Lowell Observatory); Francis T. O'Donovan (Caltech); and Robert Stefanik (CfA). The W.M. Keck Observatory is operated by the California Association for Research in Astronomy, a scientific partnership of the California Institute of Technology, the University of California, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). Funding for the research that led to this planet's discovery was provided by NASA's Origins of Solar Systems Program. Founded in 1894, Lowell Observatory pursues the study of astronomy, conducts pure research in astronomical phenomena, and maintains quality public education and outreach programs. #END# contact: Steele Wotkyns Public Relations Manager (928) 233-3232 www.lowell.edu For additional information: This research study, "TrES-1: The Transiting Planet of a Bright K0V Star," will be posted online at http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0408421 and will appear in an upcoming issue of The Astrophysical Journal Letters. High-resolution artwork and animation of the newly discovered planet TrES-1 is online at http://www.lowell.edu/press_room/TrES-1_images.html Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics press release http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/ep/pressrel.html National Center for Atmospheric Research press release http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/ Astrophysical Institute of the Canaries press release http://www.iac.es/gabinete/noticias/noticias.htm |
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It is certainly inspiring to learn that one can discover extrasolar
planets using a telescope with a roughly 4 inch aperture. I think I understand why three different telescopes at three different sites were needed to discover it, since they had to sift through so many candidates and this helped with the process of weeding out false alarms. However, now that it has been discovered and its discovery confirmed, what are the difficulties one would face in using a beginner's telescope, say one of the $200 computer controlled models from Mead, to look at the star in question and confirm the observations oneself? That seems like a more tractable project than discovering it or proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is correct. I looked at the article of Torres et al and didn't find as much detail as I hoped for about the light gathering equipment and analytical techniques. I think the basic reference for the equipment was Latham 1992. Is there some kind of standard attachment one can add to the, say, Mead mentioned above that is adequate to collect the light and send the information to one's laptop for analysis? It is nice to know it was done with a small telescope, but it would be nicer to know that all the equipment one needs to duplicate the observation and analysis could be equally humble. -- Ignorantly, Allan Adler * Disclaimer: I am a guest and *not* a member of the MIT CSAIL. My actions and * comments do not reflect in any way on MIT. Also, I am nowhere near Boston. |
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Allan Adler wrote in message ...
It is certainly inspiring to learn that one can discover extrasolar planets using a telescope with a roughly 4 inch aperture. I think I understand why three different telescopes at three different sites were needed to discover it, since they had to sift through so many candidates and this helped with the process of weeding out false alarms. However, now that it has been discovered and its discovery confirmed, what are the difficulties one would face in using a beginner's telescope, say one of the $200 computer controlled models from Mead, to look at the star in question and confirm the observations oneself? That seems like a more tractable project than discovering it or proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is correct. I looked at the article of Torres et al and didn't find as much detail as I hoped for about the light gathering equipment and analytical techniques. I think the basic reference for the equipment was Latham 1992. Is there some kind of standard attachment one can add to the, say, Mead mentioned above that is adequate to collect the light and send the information to one's laptop for analysis? It is nice to know it was done with a small telescope, but it would be nicer to know that all the equipment one needs to duplicate the observation and analysis could be equally humble. Hi, Allan, I'm not much more of an expert on this subject than you are, but what the heck. Sci.astro desperately needs an increase in its signal:noise ratio. There are amateurs observing known extrasolar planetary occulations. You can find out more about them and their work at the American Association of Variable Star Observers (http://www.aavso.org). If you want to look for a *known* exoplanet, you stand a decent chance of finding it. I have a friend who is a member of this organization. He owns a Meade 8" Schmidt-Cassegrain reflector, and a hand-made CCD camera which saw its first light a few months ago. I work with microscopes more than telescopes. Still, many of the issues surrounding getting a good quantitative image are the same. You won't see these exoplanet transits by eye. Only a few extrasolar planets have been observed by occultation so far. When these planets pass in front of their parent stars, the light loss is pretty small, peaking at around 2%. So you need to make really accurate measurements of the intensity. Twinkling and other atmospheric variations are a problem. The pixels on a CCD are not perfectly uniform, either. How sharp is your focus? Is the light of your star falling exactly on one pixel, or on several? What if the voltage that you supply to the CCD varies a bit from time to time? Then, successive images of the star would not be directly comparable. Have you saturated any pixels? Is your CCD response linear? Is your analog to digital conversion 8-bit or 12-bit? To compensate for all of these possible problems, you would probably want to image a star field that includes at least a few reference stars that you do not expect to vary. You would want to take many images, at a few different exposure times. Then you would need to do a fair amount of math to tease out the variations as a function of time. I suspect that the use of three observing sites in the TReS study improved the observations in at least three ways. First, one site would often be able to observe when another was clouded out. Second, the Canary Islands site and the Western U.S. sites were several time zones apart, allowing almost 24-hour observations. Third, there would be times of overlap, when light curves from multiple observing sites could be compared. So, can you go hunting for NEW expolanets yourself? Maybe. But having a friend on another continent or two would help. And the software to analyze the images is critical. (Proposal for an amateur exoplanet hunting network: observers in California, Chile, Canary Islands or Spain, South Africa, Japan, and Australia.) -- Rainforest laid low. "Wake up and smell the ozone," Says man with chainsaw. John J. Ladasky Jr., Ph.D. |
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(John Ladasky) writes:
There are amateurs observing known extrasolar planetary occulations. You can find out more about them and their work at the American Association of Variable Star Observers (http://www.aavso.org). If you want to look for a *known* exoplanet, you stand a decent chance of finding it. Thanks for the pointer. It looks very interesting. I have a friend who is a member of this organization. He owns a Meade 8" Schmidt-Cassegrain reflector, and a hand-made CCD camera which saw its first light a few months ago. I work with microscopes more than telescopes. Still, many of the issues surrounding getting a good quantitative image are the same. I didn't know one could make one's own CCD camera. Is that more expensive than buying one? When these planets pass in front of their parent stars, the light loss is pretty small, peaking at around 2%. So you need to make really accurate measurements of the intensity. Twinkling and other atmospheric variations are a problem. The pixels on a CCD are not perfectly uniform, either. How sharp is your focus? Is the light of your star falling exactly on one pixel, or on several? What if the voltage that you supply to the CCD varies a bit from time to time? Then, successive images of the star would not be directly comparable. Have you saturated any pixels? Is your CCD response linear? Is your analog to digital conversion 8-bit or 12-bit? Presumably one also uses suitable software to analyze the light falling on the CCD. Apart from spectral analysis of the light, it seems that the software would be designed to deal with these issues. At any rate, Torres et al used CfA Digital Speedometers (whatever they are) and compared their "observed spectra with synthetic spectra calculated by J. Morse using Kurucz models (Morse & Kurucz, private communication)" (whatever that means). I'm just referring to stuff done with the little scope. Their photometric and radial velocity data (on a big scope?) are supposed to be at: http://www.hao.ucar.edu/public/resea...data/TrES1.asc They didn't say anything about pixels or CCD cameras. I just did a google search for CfA Digital Speedometers. CfA apparently stands for "Center for Astrophysics". Then I went to http://adsabs.harvard.edu and searched for digital speedometer in the abstracts. The earlilests reference so far involving the CfA is in the Bulletin of the American Astronomical Society, vol.14, p.82, and I'm now downloading it. Since it is so specialized to the CfA, I gather that one can't simply order the equivalent from a catalogue. I suspect that the use of three observing sites in the TReS study improved the observations in at least three ways. First, one site would often be able to observe when another was clouded out. Second, the Canary Islands site and the Western U.S. sites were several time zones apart, allowing almost 24-hour observations. Third, there would be times of overlap, when light curves from multiple observing sites could be compared. One of the special features of this observation, according go the article, is the fact that the exosolar planet takes 3.03 days to go around the star. Apparently, the fact this is so close to an integral number of days placed severe constraints on the places where one could observe the transits. So, can you go hunting for NEW expolanets yourself? Maybe. But having a friend on another continent or two would help. And the software to analyze the images is critical. I have no budget for astronomy and don't even own a scope. I have an old pair of 10x50 binoculars and no mount for them. I rely on friends who have telescopes to do any observing, by looking through their scopes when they have them set up. However, I try to inform myself about what things cost and at what point they become feasible, just so that if I ever have any kind of budget for astronomy, I'll know what is and what is not within that budget. The CfA digital speedometers sound like they wouldn't be. So it's good to know about the viability of CCD cameras for planet hunting. -- Ignorantly, Allan Adler * Disclaimer: I am a guest and *not* a member of the MIT CSAIL. My actions and * comments do not reflect in any way on MIT. Also, I am nowhere near Boston. |
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Allan Adler wrote in message ...
(John Ladasky) writes: There are amateurs observing known extrasolar planetary occulations. You can find out more about them and their work at the American Association of Variable Star Observers (http://www.aavso.org). If you want to look for a *known* exoplanet, you stand a decent chance of finding it. Thanks for the pointer. It looks very interesting. I have a friend who is a member of this organization. He owns a Meade 8" Schmidt-Cassegrain reflector, and a hand-made CCD camera which saw its first light a few months ago. I work with microscopes more than telescopes. Still, many of the issues surrounding getting a good quantitative image are the same. I didn't know one could make one's own CCD camera. Is that more expensive than buying one? Perhaps, but you won't be able to do much stellar photometry with an off-the-shelf digital camera. The OTS digicams use decent CCD chips, but there are others out there that are larger, and can gather more light, if you are willing to pay. Also, the digicam CCD chips have patterned RGB color masks in front of the pixels. What this means is that in any one color range, only 1/3 of the chip is actually receiving light. For some photometry work, you want to capture every photon. The RGB chips throw 2/3 of them away. Finally, there's the issue of thermal noise. A cold camera generates less background signal. Consumer digicams aren't actively cooled. My friend's custom rig uses a high-sensitivity CCD chip from Kodak, one that doesn't have the color masks. He added an external color filter wheel, for those rare times when he actually might want to exclude certain colors, and a Peltier cooling device. Can you buy a camera like this? It's similar in many ways to the cameras we use for microscopes. We certainly buy those. But they'll cost a lot more than your 10 X 50 binocs. When these planets pass in front of their parent stars, the light loss is pretty small, peaking at around 2%. So you need to make really accurate measurements of the intensity. Twinkling and other atmospheric variations are a problem. The pixels on a CCD are not perfectly uniform, either. How sharp is your focus? Is the light of your star falling exactly on one pixel, or on several? What if the voltage that you supply to the CCD varies a bit from time to time? Then, successive images of the star would not be directly comparable. Have you saturated any pixels? Is your CCD response linear? Is your analog to digital conversion 8-bit or 12-bit? Presumably one also uses suitable software to analyze the light falling on the CCD. Apart from spectral analysis of the light, it seems that the software would be designed to deal with these issues. At any rate, Torres et al used CfA Digital Speedometers (whatever they are) and compared their "observed spectra with synthetic spectra calculated by J. Morse using Kurucz models (Morse & Kurucz, private communication)" (whatever that means). I'm just referring to stuff done with the little scope. Their photometric and radial velocity data (on a big scope?) are supposed to be at: http://www.hao.ucar.edu/public/resea...data/TrES1.asc They didn't say anything about pixels or CCD cameras. O.K., you're jumping to the second part of the TrES project -- looking at Doppler velocity changes. Once you see a periodic, small change in a star's light curve, you can't be SURE that it's due to a planet. Suppose that you have two stars of almost equal intensity eclipsing each other? Or a periodic, variable star? How can you distinguish these possibilities from a planet? This is what the radial velocity study will tell you. You can tell whether a star is moving towards you or away from you by looking at the blue-shifting and red-shifting of the star's light. A solitary, variable star is not expected to move back and forth. Two stars orbiting each other will fling each other back and forth hard -- the velocity can change by tens of km/sec over the orbital period. A planet will tug on its parent star fairly gently, resulting in velocity changes which generally won't exceed 1 km/sec. Velocity measurements are taken with spectrographs, rather than imaging cameras. That's why you aren't seeing references to CCD's and pixels in that part of the report. There is a VERY dedicated group of amateurs trying to do Doppler velocimetry: http://www.spectrashift.com/ But take a look at their work... thirty years ago, this project would have been worthy of an NSF grant! I just did a google search for CfA Digital Speedometers. CfA apparently stands for "Center for Astrophysics". Then I went to http://adsabs.harvard.edu and searched for digital speedometer in the abstracts. The earlilests reference so far involving the CfA is in the Bulletin of the American Astronomical Society, vol.14, p.82, and I'm now downloading it. Since it is so specialized to the CfA, I gather that one can't simply order the equivalent from a catalogue. I haven't followed your link, but I'm guessing that the "digital speedometer" is probably the spectrograph that they use to reference atomic absorption lines in the star's spectrum against a laboratory spectrum reference (like an arc lamp). I suspect that the use of three observing sites in the TReS study improved the observations in at least three ways. First, one site would often be able to observe when another was clouded out. Second, the Canary Islands site and the Western U.S. sites were several time zones apart, allowing almost 24-hour observations. Third, there would be times of overlap, when light curves from multiple observing sites could be compared. One of the special features of this observation, according go the article, is the fact that the exosolar planet takes 3.03 days to go around the star. Apparently, the fact this is so close to an integral number of days placed severe constraints on the places where one could observe the transits. Some other planets will eventually be found that have more accomodating periods, and thus can be seen more readily from all the sites. So, can you go hunting for NEW exoplanets yourself? Maybe. But having a friend on another continent or two would help. And the software to analyze the images is critical. I have no budget for astronomy and don't even own a scope. I have an old pair of 10x50 binoculars and no mount for them. I rely on friends who have telescopes to do any observing, by looking through their scopes when they have them set up. However, I try to inform myself about what things cost and at what point they become feasible, just so that if I ever have any kind of budget for astronomy, I'll know what is and what is not within that budget. The CfA digital speedometers sound like they wouldn't be. So it's good to know about the viability of CCD cameras for planet hunting. And now you also know that variation in the light intensity of a star isn't enough, by itself, to be sure that you have seen a planetary transit. Have fun. Astronomy is addictive! -- Rainforest laid low. "Wake up and smell the ozone," Says man with chainsaw. John J. Ladasky Jr., Ph.D. |
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Thanks for answering my questions. I looked up the website of the
amateur spectroscopers and I'll read more of it later. Regarding the home made CCD camera, where would one read detailed instructions on how to do that? I like to read detailed instructions on how to do things, even if I lack the skill or resources to actually do them. -- Ignorantly, Allan Adler * Disclaimer: I am a guest and *not* a member of the MIT CSAIL. My actions and * comments do not reflect in any way on MIT. Also, I am nowhere near Boston. |
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Allan Adler writes: I didn't know one could make one's own CCD camera. Is that more expensive than buying one? (I'm following up to this message because it's convenient, but I'll also be commenting on earlier messages in the thread.) There is at least one company (Santa Barbara Instrument Group) that claims to sell near-research-grade CCD cameras. There may be others; check the ads in Sky and Telescope. I have never used any of these products, so don't take this as a recommendation, but on paper the cameras look promising. I have no idea of prices, but in general building one's own electronics will be more expensive than buying off-the-shelf products. When these planets pass in front of their parent stars, the light loss is pretty small, peaking at around 2%. So you need to make really accurate measurements of the intensity. Twinkling and other atmospheric variations are a problem. Also transparency variations from very think clouds, guiding errors, and probably other things. I don't think it is possible to measure at the sub-1% level with a single detector, either PIN diode or photomultiplier. It is possible with a CCD because most of the variations affect all the stars on the frame the same way. The pixels on a CCD are not perfectly uniform, either. How sharp is your focus? Is the light of your star falling exactly on one pixel, or on several? For accurate photometry, one generally wants to make sure the light is spread over at least four pixels. What if the voltage that you supply to the CCD varies a bit from time to time? I think CCD's are relatively insensitive to bias voltage variations, but the temperature has to be stabilized. In any case, gain variations should affect all stars on the frame the same way, and thus _relative_ photometry should be unaffected. Then, successive images of the star would not be directly comparable. Have you saturated any pixels? Is your CCD response linear? Is your analog to digital conversion 8-bit or 12-bit? I would expect 16-bit conversion to be needed. Otherwise there simply isn't enough dynamic range. Presumably one also uses suitable software to analyze the light falling on the CCD. There are free (but hard to use) packages and (I think) commercial packages, which I have never used. I would expect camera sellers to offer software packages, but my expectations are often wrong. At any rate, Torres et al used CfA Digital Speedometers (whatever they are) and compared their "observed spectra with synthetic spectra calculated by J. Morse using Kurucz models (Morse & Kurucz, private communication)" This sounds like spectrographs that measure radial velocity. The analysis technique is to cross-correlate a theoretical ("synthetic") spectrum of the star with the measured spectrum. The cross-correlation is maximum when the velocity exactly matches the stellar velocity. This bit is custom software, but it isn't what you would use for measuring magnitudes. "Kurucz models" are the output of a widely-used stellar atmosphere code (written by Robert Kurucz, as it happens); I believe the code is public. About converting magnitudes to photon rates: you don't want a bolometric magnitude, you want an apparent magnitude at whatever color you plan to measure (maybe B, V, R, or I). Then you need to know the flux density in physical units for zero magnitude at that wavelength. Then just use the usual magnitude formula, and convert watts to photons per second via Planck's constant. I have a table of flux density for zero mag at home but not with me. A quick ADS search finds Gray (1998 AJ 116, 482) for Stromgren uvby, Fukugita et al. (1996 AJ 111, 1748) for the Sloan filters (but check their web site sdss.org for updates), but nothing recent for B and V. The classic reference for these is Schild & Oke (1970 ApJ 162, 361). The HST web site probably has zero points for the HST filters. I expect all the stars with known extrasolar planets will be pretty bright -- they had to be bright enough to get good spectra. -- Steve Willner Phone 617-495-7123 Cambridge, MA 02138 USA (Please email your reply if you want to be sure I see it; include a valid Reply-To address to receive an acknowledgement. Commercial email may be sent to your ISP.) |
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Steve Willner wrote:
In article , Allan Adler writes: I didn't know one could make one's own CCD camera. Is that more expensive than buying one? (I'm following up to this message because it's convenient, but I'll also be commenting on earlier messages in the thread.) There is at least one company (Santa Barbara Instrument Group) that claims to sell near-research-grade CCD cameras. There may be others; check the ads in Sky and Telescope. I have never used any of these products, so don't take this as a recommendation, but on paper the cameras look promising. I have no idea of prices, but in general building one's own electronics will be more expensive than buying off-the-shelf products. We've just ordered one of SBIG's high-end cameras, so should know in a few months how robust they are in student hands. About converting magnitudes to photon rates: you don't want a bolometric magnitude, you want an apparent magnitude at whatever color you plan to measure (maybe B, V, R, or I). Then you need to know the flux density in physical units for zero magnitude at that wavelength. Then just use the usual magnitude formula, and convert watts to photons per second via Planck's constant. I have a table of flux density for zero mag at home but not with me. A quick ADS search finds Gray (1998 AJ 116, 482) for Stromgren uvby, Fukugita et al. (1996 AJ 111, 1748) for the Sloan filters (but check their web site sdss.org for updates), but nothing recent for B and V. The classic reference for these is Schild & Oke (1970 ApJ 162, 361). The HST web site probably has zero points for the HST filters. A table I've pieced together for zero-magnitude flux includes: Band Eff lambda Zero point: F-lambda F-nu U 0.36 mu 4.35(-9) 1.88(-23) B 0.44 7.20(-9) 4.44(-23) V 0.55 3.92(-9) 3.81(-23) R 0.70 1.76(-9) 3.01(-23) I 0.90 8.3(-10) 2.43(-23) J 1.25 3.4(-10) 1.77(-23) K 2.2 3.9(-11) 6.3(-24) L 3.4 8.1(-12) 3.1(-24) M 5.0 2.2(-12) 1.8(-24) N 10.2 1.23(-13) 4.3(-25) for F-lambda in erg/cm**2 s A F-nu in W/m**2 Hz For ISO/ESO system: Band Eff lambda Delta lambda F0(Jy) J 1.24mu 0.2 1587 H 1.64 0.3 1074 K 2.18 0.4 653 L' 3.76 0.7 253 M 4.69 0.5 150 N 10.3 5.2 29.4 N1 8.38 0.8 48.7 N2 9.67 1.6 34.9 N3 12.9 3.7 19.7 Q 18.6 5.6 9.5 And from the Fukugita et al. paper: Band W(eff) FWHM Weff(Vega) Flam(Vega) Fnu(Vega) mag AB Johnson U 3652 526 3709 4.28e-9 1.89e-20 -0.181 0.710 B 4448 1008 4393 6.18 4.02 -0.342 -0.110 V 5505 827 5439 3.60 3.59 0.083 0.011 Cousins R 6588 1568 6410 2.15 3.02 0.399 0.199 I 8060 1542 7977 1.11 2.38 0.752 0.456 Johnson R 6930 2096 6688 1.87 2.89 0.473 0.249 I 8785 1706 8571 0.912 2.28 0.805 0.504 Sandage/Smith u 3647 595 3710 4.30 1.89 b 4466 1028 4407 6.10 3.97 v 5423 823 5368 3.75 3.64 r 6712 969 6628 1.96 2.90 Stromgren u 3465 363 3496 3.24 1.31 v 4109 197 4119 7.21 4.12 b 4668 176 4666 5.68 4.15 y 5459 244 5455 3.62 3.60 Kron Uk 3656 566 3737 4.32 1.93 -0.195 0.689 Jk 4625 1550 4537 5.54 3.82 -0.256 -0.056 Fk 6168 1330 5978 2.64 3.25 0.271 0.120 Nk 7953 1786 7838 1.17 2.44 0.723 0.434 Couch/Newell Bj 4604 1490 4515 5.73 3.95 -0.281 -0.091 Rf 6694 517 6679 1.92 2.86 0.481 0.259 Thuan/Gunn u 3536 412 3542 3.33 1.38 0.000 1.049 v 3992 469 4013 6.62 3.50 -0.440 0.041 g 4927 709 4888 4.84 3.89 -0.126 -0.075 r 6538 893 6496 2.09 2.96 0.429 0.221 Schneider g4 5147 913 5083 4.34 3.78 -0.047 -0.043 r4 6659 1028 6600 1.99 2.92 0.455 0.236 i4 8056 1604 7942 1.13 2.41 0.739 0.445 z4 9141 1472 9071 0.797 2.20 0.851 0.545 PFUEI g 5238 882 5166 4.14 3.74 -0.016 -0.031 r 6677 916 6602 1.98 2.91 0.458 0.241 i 7973 1353 7876 1.16 2.43 0.730 0.437 z 9133 984 9054 0.798 2.19 0.853 0.547 Tyson Bj 4614 1215 4562 5.46 3.80 R 6585 1373 6503 2.08 2.97 I 8668 1725 8532 0.928 2.28 WFPC2 F555W 5536 1480 5387 3.62 3.60 0.069 0.009 F606W 6102 2050 5901 2.73 3.28 0.250 0.111 F702W 6979 1957 6826 1.77 2.82 0.511 0.275 F814W 8092 1653 7906 1.14 2.43 0.726 0.434 POSS II g 5154 942 5121 4.25 3.74 -0.035 -0.034 r 6696 1050 6632 1.96 2.90 0.459 0.244 i 7837 1469 7756 1.14 2.46 0.709 0.424 SDSS u 3585 556 3594 3.67 1.54 -0.077 0.928 g 4858 1297 4765 5.11 3.93 -0.178 -0.087 r 6290 1358 6205 2.40 3.12 0.342 0.163 i 7706 1547 7617 1.28 2.51 0.687 0.401 z 9222 1530 9123 0.783 2.19 0.855 0.549 Bill Keel |
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![]() "Steve Willner" wrote in message ... ... About converting magnitudes to photon rates: you don't want a bolometric magnitude, you want an apparent magnitude at whatever color you plan to measure (maybe B, V, R, or I). The rate will depend both on the filter and the colour of the star so for a general guide I thought I would start with bolometric to get an upper limit on the rate as a guide to bandwidth if photon counting was to be tried. Then you need to know the flux density in physical units for zero magnitude at that wavelength. Then just use the usual magnitude formula, and convert watts to photons per second via Planck's constant. That's my self-imposed homework question, I learn best by working through things myself. I have a table of flux density for zero mag at home but not with me. A quick ADS search finds Gray (1998 AJ 116, 482) for Stromgren uvby, Fukugita et al. (1996 AJ 111, 1748) for the Sloan filters (but check their web site sdss.org for updates), but nothing recent for B and V. The classic reference for these is Schild & Oke (1970 ApJ 162, 361). The HST web site probably has zero points for the HST filters. Thanks to you and Bill Keel for the pointers, they will be bookmarked! best regards George |
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