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Hallo All,
First of all, please excuse this rather long post. I have cross-posted to sci.astro.amateur. I am currently living in Massachusetts, USA and have recently resumed my astronomy hobby after a bit of a gap since I first took it up when I was a 15 year-old boy living in England using a 60mm shop-bought "department store" scope. (Despite the almost universal criticism of these, my little refractor fired my interest - I got educated by it at a time when I couldn't afford a better intrument). But, to the point: I now live about 40 miles West of Boston and own better optics ![]() easily-reached observing sites away from Boston itself and the inevitable light pollution. After some scouting, we found an open field near the Tufts University campus in North Grafton; it's on high ground and offers reasonable all-round views of the sky (in Massachusetts, it's hard to escape from the dense concentration of trees - one can feel really "shut-in" here sometimes when one is used to more open land!). At any rate, we've been there a few times and set up our scopes in variable seeing conditions thus far. As I have implied, it's not the ideal location by any means: the glow in the NW from Worcester and in the E from the more distant conurbations closer to Boston itself is pretty bad; the site abuts Route 30; and the Milky Way has been barely visible. Problems also include passing vehicles' headlights, and a minority of drivers who honk their horns when they see us, turn on their hazards when passing by, and indulge in other silly behaviour, like shouting profanities (I'm at a loss as to why they do this - truck drivers are by far the worst at this). But we have persisted in the absence of practical alternatives. Anyway, last weekend we were set up in the field with our telescopes trained on Mars, and at around 22:30 a Tufts Campus Policeman pulled up in his SUV, shone a brilliant searchlight onto us (eek!) and said we'd "have to move on soon". He was perfectly polite, but seemed somehow puzzled by our presence - as if we were doing something rather weird. I suppose we should be grateful that we weren't arrested on the grounds of whatever law the policeman might actually have been purporting to enforce. I am told by my American friends that this policeman would have had an entire arsenal of ordinances upon which to base at least the threat of an arrest. In fact, on the broader issue of personal liberty, I have found, at diametric odds to my personal expectation, that US society can be profoundly authoritarian in many ways, notwithstanding America's truer, libertarian, roots. Local/State laws here now reach deep into areas which, by European standards, would seem petty and yet at the same time bear a vague stamp of totalitarianism. In the Land of the Free, "go figure", as they say here ![]() At any rate, we gathered up our stuff and left, feeling downhearted that the only practical observing option - imperfect that it was - had been in effect closed to us. So, what now? Well, the following day, we looked at local maps and decided to drive to the summit of Wachusett Mountain (a Public State Park at 2000+ ft above sea level) thinking this would be a great place from which to observe. Driving time is about 45 mins to one hour from home. And it turned out to be quite stunning, with 60+ miles of 360 degree vistas in the daytime; and unlit car parking. We were dead excited: it must be a spectacular observing site at night! "NO" comes the official reply from the Ranger on being asked whether we could set up our scopes there at night. He says..."you will be chased out at sunset - no exceptions". I was astonished by this. It's OUR land - OUR mountain, not some bureacracy's, controlling it supposedly in OUR name! (And, for any nationalist nitpickers out there, the "OUR" here refers to my American friend, not to me - though as an inhabitant of the Earth, I feel it right to include myself too!) All I wanted in the first place was to observe the Night Sky; to see it unmolested by light pollution and interference from those who might not share our interest in the Universe. Now it seems we must add to that unhappy list those who occupy positions of power over ordinary people - who want to control every aspect of our lives. Has this unhealthy tendency got worse post 9/11? Or has it been in evidence for longer? Whatever, it seems to me that there are many rather wider issues worthy of debate in all of this: from the causes of light pollution to fundamental principles of personal liberty - freedom to pursue one's peaceful interests in natural places which are not under the kind of control and exclusion akin to the past, vast Estates in private ownership. One is reminded slightly of the Kinder Trespass. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...689869,00.html Have we come full-circle? As a footnote, a friend of mine was in Toronto Canada during the recent East Coast Blackout. She told me that for the first time in recent memory, residents of Toronto and its environs were exposed to the majestic sight of the Milky Way (casting its reflection on the ground by some accounts). Needless to say, there was AWE for a few hours, followed by the return of the handful of stars visible when the lights came back on! Regards, Anthony |
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If you had called the main office at Tuff's and told them what you wanted to do,
they most likly would have granted you the OK to set your scopes at night. Out here in the Mojave Desert where I live, I've got any number of places I can go set up to view the sky, even right outside the back end of my trailer. But most times I can be found set up in the full glair of the major street lights as I am a Sidewalk Astronomer. -- "In this universe the night was falling,the shadows were lengthening towards an east that would not know another dawn. But elsewhere the stars were still young and the light of morning lingered: and along the path he once had followed, man would one day go again." Arthur C. Clarke, The City & The Stars SIAR www.starlords.org Freelance Writers Shop http://www.freelancewrittersshop.netfirms.com Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord "Anthony PDC" lound_at_charter.net wrote in message ... Hallo All, First of all, please excuse this rather long post. I have cross-posted to sci.astro.amateur. I am currently living in Massachusetts, USA and have recently resumed my astronomy hobby after a bit of a gap since I first took it up when I was a 15 year-old boy living in England using a 60mm shop-bought "department store" scope. (Despite the almost universal criticism of these, my little refractor fired my interest - I got educated by it at a time when I couldn't afford a better intrument). But, to the point: I now live about 40 miles West of Boston and own better optics ![]() easily-reached observing sites away from Boston itself and the inevitable light pollution. After some scouting, we found an open field near the Tufts University campus in North Grafton; it's on high ground and offers reasonable all-round views of the sky (in Massachusetts, it's hard to escape from the dense concentration of trees - one can feel really "shut-in" here sometimes when one is used to more open land!). At any rate, we've been there a few times and set up our scopes in variable seeing conditions thus far. As I have implied, it's not the ideal location by any means: the glow in the NW from Worcester and in the E from the more distant conurbations closer to Boston itself is pretty bad; the site abuts Route 30; and the Milky Way has been barely visible. Problems also include passing vehicles' headlights, and a minority of drivers who honk their horns when they see us, turn on their hazards when passing by, and indulge in other silly behaviour, like shouting profanities (I'm at a loss as to why they do this - truck drivers are by far the worst at this). But we have persisted in the absence of practical alternatives. Anyway, last weekend we were set up in the field with our telescopes trained on Mars, and at around 22:30 a Tufts Campus Policeman pulled up in his SUV, shone a brilliant searchlight onto us (eek!) and said we'd "have to move on soon". He was perfectly polite, but seemed somehow puzzled by our presence - as if we were doing something rather weird. I suppose we should be grateful that we weren't arrested on the grounds of whatever law the policeman might actually have been purporting to enforce. I am told by my American friends that this policeman would have had an entire arsenal of ordinances upon which to base at least the threat of an arrest. In fact, on the broader issue of personal liberty, I have found, at diametric odds to my personal expectation, that US society can be profoundly authoritarian in many ways, notwithstanding America's truer, libertarian, roots. Local/State laws here now reach deep into areas which, by European standards, would seem petty and yet at the same time bear a vague stamp of totalitarianism. In the Land of the Free, "go figure", as they say here ![]() At any rate, we gathered up our stuff and left, feeling downhearted that the only practical observing option - imperfect that it was - had been in effect closed to us. So, what now? Well, the following day, we looked at local maps and decided to drive to the summit of Wachusett Mountain (a Public State Park at 2000+ ft above sea level) thinking this would be a great place from which to observe. Driving time is about 45 mins to one hour from home. And it turned out to be quite stunning, with 60+ miles of 360 degree vistas in the daytime; and unlit car parking. We were dead excited: it must be a spectacular observing site at night! "NO" comes the official reply from the Ranger on being asked whether we could set up our scopes there at night. He says..."you will be chased out at sunset - no exceptions". I was astonished by this. It's OUR land - OUR mountain, not some bureacracy's, controlling it supposedly in OUR name! (And, for any nationalist nitpickers out there, the "OUR" here refers to my American friend, not to me - though as an inhabitant of the Earth, I feel it right to include myself too!) All I wanted in the first place was to observe the Night Sky; to see it unmolested by light pollution and interference from those who might not share our interest in the Universe. Now it seems we must add to that unhappy list those who occupy positions of power over ordinary people - who want to control every aspect of our lives. Has this unhealthy tendency got worse post 9/11? Or has it been in evidence for longer? Whatever, it seems to me that there are many rather wider issues worthy of debate in all of this: from the causes of light pollution to fundamental principles of personal liberty - freedom to pursue one's peaceful interests in natural places which are not under the kind of control and exclusion akin to the past, vast Estates in private ownership. One is reminded slightly of the Kinder Trespass. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...689869,00.html Have we come full-circle? As a footnote, a friend of mine was in Toronto Canada during the recent East Coast Blackout. She told me that for the first time in recent memory, residents of Toronto and its environs were exposed to the majestic sight of the Milky Way (casting its reflection on the ground by some accounts). Needless to say, there was AWE for a few hours, followed by the return of the handful of stars visible when the lights came back on! Regards, Anthony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 |
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Anthony,
Why don't you contact the Harvard Observatory and see if they can recommend some spots. Also check out other local organizations, such as Sky and Telescope, which I think is local, also. -- ___________________________ Bonnie Granat Granat Editorial Services http://www.editors-writers.info Fast | Accurate | Affordable |
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If you had called the main office at Tuff's and told them what you wanted to do,
they most likly would have granted you the OK to set your scopes at night. Out here in the Mojave Desert where I live, I've got any number of places I can go set up to view the sky, even right outside the back end of my trailer. But most times I can be found set up in the full glair of the major street lights as I am a Sidewalk Astronomer. -- "In this universe the night was falling,the shadows were lengthening towards an east that would not know another dawn. But elsewhere the stars were still young and the light of morning lingered: and along the path he once had followed, man would one day go again." Arthur C. Clarke, The City & The Stars SIAR www.starlords.org Freelance Writers Shop http://www.freelancewrittersshop.netfirms.com Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord "Anthony PDC" lound_at_charter.net wrote in message ... Hallo All, First of all, please excuse this rather long post. I have cross-posted to sci.astro.amateur. I am currently living in Massachusetts, USA and have recently resumed my astronomy hobby after a bit of a gap since I first took it up when I was a 15 year-old boy living in England using a 60mm shop-bought "department store" scope. (Despite the almost universal criticism of these, my little refractor fired my interest - I got educated by it at a time when I couldn't afford a better intrument). But, to the point: I now live about 40 miles West of Boston and own better optics ![]() easily-reached observing sites away from Boston itself and the inevitable light pollution. After some scouting, we found an open field near the Tufts University campus in North Grafton; it's on high ground and offers reasonable all-round views of the sky (in Massachusetts, it's hard to escape from the dense concentration of trees - one can feel really "shut-in" here sometimes when one is used to more open land!). At any rate, we've been there a few times and set up our scopes in variable seeing conditions thus far. As I have implied, it's not the ideal location by any means: the glow in the NW from Worcester and in the E from the more distant conurbations closer to Boston itself is pretty bad; the site abuts Route 30; and the Milky Way has been barely visible. Problems also include passing vehicles' headlights, and a minority of drivers who honk their horns when they see us, turn on their hazards when passing by, and indulge in other silly behaviour, like shouting profanities (I'm at a loss as to why they do this - truck drivers are by far the worst at this). But we have persisted in the absence of practical alternatives. Anyway, last weekend we were set up in the field with our telescopes trained on Mars, and at around 22:30 a Tufts Campus Policeman pulled up in his SUV, shone a brilliant searchlight onto us (eek!) and said we'd "have to move on soon". He was perfectly polite, but seemed somehow puzzled by our presence - as if we were doing something rather weird. I suppose we should be grateful that we weren't arrested on the grounds of whatever law the policeman might actually have been purporting to enforce. I am told by my American friends that this policeman would have had an entire arsenal of ordinances upon which to base at least the threat of an arrest. In fact, on the broader issue of personal liberty, I have found, at diametric odds to my personal expectation, that US society can be profoundly authoritarian in many ways, notwithstanding America's truer, libertarian, roots. Local/State laws here now reach deep into areas which, by European standards, would seem petty and yet at the same time bear a vague stamp of totalitarianism. In the Land of the Free, "go figure", as they say here ![]() At any rate, we gathered up our stuff and left, feeling downhearted that the only practical observing option - imperfect that it was - had been in effect closed to us. So, what now? Well, the following day, we looked at local maps and decided to drive to the summit of Wachusett Mountain (a Public State Park at 2000+ ft above sea level) thinking this would be a great place from which to observe. Driving time is about 45 mins to one hour from home. And it turned out to be quite stunning, with 60+ miles of 360 degree vistas in the daytime; and unlit car parking. We were dead excited: it must be a spectacular observing site at night! "NO" comes the official reply from the Ranger on being asked whether we could set up our scopes there at night. He says..."you will be chased out at sunset - no exceptions". I was astonished by this. It's OUR land - OUR mountain, not some bureacracy's, controlling it supposedly in OUR name! (And, for any nationalist nitpickers out there, the "OUR" here refers to my American friend, not to me - though as an inhabitant of the Earth, I feel it right to include myself too!) All I wanted in the first place was to observe the Night Sky; to see it unmolested by light pollution and interference from those who might not share our interest in the Universe. Now it seems we must add to that unhappy list those who occupy positions of power over ordinary people - who want to control every aspect of our lives. Has this unhealthy tendency got worse post 9/11? Or has it been in evidence for longer? Whatever, it seems to me that there are many rather wider issues worthy of debate in all of this: from the causes of light pollution to fundamental principles of personal liberty - freedom to pursue one's peaceful interests in natural places which are not under the kind of control and exclusion akin to the past, vast Estates in private ownership. One is reminded slightly of the Kinder Trespass. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...689869,00.html Have we come full-circle? As a footnote, a friend of mine was in Toronto Canada during the recent East Coast Blackout. She told me that for the first time in recent memory, residents of Toronto and its environs were exposed to the majestic sight of the Milky Way (casting its reflection on the ground by some accounts). Needless to say, there was AWE for a few hours, followed by the return of the handful of stars visible when the lights came back on! Regards, Anthony --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/03 |
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Anthony,
Why don't you contact the Harvard Observatory and see if they can recommend some spots. Also check out other local organizations, such as Sky and Telescope, which I think is local, also. -- ___________________________ Bonnie Granat Granat Editorial Services http://www.editors-writers.info Fast | Accurate | Affordable |
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