Slow Motion cables

Hi all,
Someone the other day asked me about Slow motion cable sets, I have
finally found a supplier I can deal direct with, and have got about 20
pairs of 12" ones available, these are the flexible "coiled Spring"
type, as supplied on Helios EQ3 mounts, and Not the cheap**** plastic
ones, that break if you try and bend them, these will still work at
obtuse angles.
They aint cheap at £32/pair, but they are a hell of a Lot better than
the ones some cheaper scopes come with

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Not the cheap**** plastic ones, that break if you try and bend them,
these will still work at obtuse angles.

Working at obtuse angles is not exactly a severe test -- even the tacky
placcy ones will do that. A decent metal coil job should work at acute
angles.

They aint cheap at £32/pair,

No, they aren't, especially as places like BCF and Beacon Hill were
recently (may still be) doing them at £12 each.

Best,
Stephen

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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:08:19 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Hi all,
Someone the other day asked me about Slow motion cable sets, I have
finally found a supplier I can deal direct with, and have got about 20
pairs of 12" ones available, these are the flexible "coiled Spring"
type, as supplied on Helios EQ3 mounts, and Not the cheap**** plastic
ones, that break if you try and bend them, these will still work at
obtuse angles.
They aint cheap at £32/pair, but they are a hell of a Lot better than
the ones some cheaper scopes come with

Looking for astro bits and eyepieces?
http://www.stores.ebay.co.uk/astrobitsandpieces
http://members.ebay.co.uk/aboutme/orpheus1959

You just stepped over the line for commercial 'advertising'.
It is not allowed in this group. Please don't do it again.

ChrisH

UK Astro Ads: http://www.UKAstroAds.co.uk

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:29:49 +0100, lid
(ChrisH) wrote:


You just stepped over the line for commercial 'advertising'.
It is not allowed in this group. Please don't do it again.

That wasnt my intention,

It was an honest answer to a question which was asked in here,
Message-ID:
and I quote
Finally, I'd value your recommendation for quality slow motion
cables. I wouldn't know where to start looking for decent cables (as
opposed to rubbish)and badly need some. Can you recommend a UK
stockist that does mail order?

Thanks in advance
Chris.B
This was NOT unsolicited, and was merely answering a question that
had been asked, but I would welcome your views on when the line
between answering a question and blatant advertising occurs, and I
would also welcome your views on how this line is decided and defined,
As in IE when is it not acceptable to answer a question with a direct
answer.

I would also like to ask when you plan to amend the charter to state
quite clearly, when answering a question, you MUST never answer it by
mentioning any commercial ventures.

As you can see stated above by a more than regular poster in here, he
sounded desperate, and I merely tried to assist him.
what I should have done was to actually thread back and look at the
message and continued it in that thread, but to be brutally honest
with you, I couldnt be bothered, and i only keep about 3 days worth of
messages in any newsgroup.

I of course could have emailed that information, but i could never
have been certain he got it, and as his need was desperate, i thought
i was merely being helpful

Perhaps it would be helpful if i ran all my answers through you first,
so that you can edit the bits of answers to questions you find
offensive?


Looking for astro bits and eyepieces?
http://www.stores.ebay.co.uk/astrobitsandpieces
http://members.ebay.co.uk/aboutme/orpheus1959

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:13:57 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 19:29:49 +0100, lid
(ChrisH) wrote:


You just stepped over the line for commercial 'advertising'.
It is not allowed in this group. Please don't do it again.

That wasnt my intention,


But it happened - and I've gently pointed out the error.

It was an honest answer to a question which was asked in here,
Message-ID:
and I quote
Finally, I'd value your recommendation for quality slow motion
cables. I wouldn't know where to start looking for decent cables (as
opposed to rubbish)and badly need some. Can you recommend a UK
stockist that does mail order?

Thanks in advance
Chris.B
This was NOT unsolicited, and was merely answering a question that
had been asked, but I would welcome your views on when the line
between answering a question and blatant advertising occurs, and I
would also welcome your views on how this line is decided and defined,
As in IE when is it not acceptable to answer a question with a direct
answer.


That was a tongue-in-cheek question to my mind, but even if I were
wrong your response should have been via private mail.

I would also like to ask when you plan to amend the charter to state
quite clearly, when answering a question, you MUST never answer it by
mentioning any commercial ventures.


The charter is quite clear - have you read it?

As you can see stated above by a more than regular poster in here, he
sounded desperate, and I merely tried to assist him.
what I should have done was to actually thread back and look at the
message and continued it in that thread, but to be brutally honest
with you, I couldnt be bothered, and i only keep about 3 days worth of
messages in any newsgroup.

I of course could have emailed that information, but i could never
have been certain he got it, and as his need was desperate, i thought
i was merely being helpful


See above. If unsuccessful ask for his email address.

Perhaps it would be helpful if i ran all my answers through you first,
so that you can edit the bits of answers to questions you find
offensive?

That is not necessary, just stay within the charter. Do you see me
advertising? Do you see anyone else advertising? No - because we stick
by the rules. Those that don't tend to lose their ISP account PDQ.

ChrisH



UK Astro Ads: http://www.UKAstroAds.co.uk

lid (ChrisH) wrote in message

That was a tongue-in-cheek question to my mind, but even if I were
wrong your response should have been via private mail.

he sounded desperate

Who me? (Surreptitiously removes tongue from cheek.)

If unsuccessful ask for his email address.

My e-mail address flies at full-mast on every post.
Not that anyone would want to use it as such.
It's more of a warning marker that spam trawling is in progress.

Chris.B

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:28:02 +0100, lid
(ChrisH) wrote:


That was a tongue-in-cheek question to my mind, but even if I were
wrong your response should have been via private mail.

Well I re-read the charter and it doesnt say that tongue-in-cheek
questions were not to be answered.
Of course silly me thought the question was genuine and serious, and I
actually went out of my way somewhat to find this information out.

I would also like to ask when you plan to amend the charter to state
quite clearly, when answering a question, you MUST never answer it by
mentioning any commercial ventures.


The charter is quite clear - have you read it?

Yes, I have, and I refer you to my previous questions.

See above. If unsuccessful ask for his email address.


But how would i know if i was unsuccesful in answering his question?
as you can see from this quote

Not that anyone would want to use it as such.
It's more of a warning marker that spam trawling is in progress


That is not necessary, just stay within the charter. Do you see me
advertising?

umm YES most definately i see you advertising


By your definition advertising is answering a question pointing
someone to a "commercial website", well perhaps you remember saying
this on 13 oct 2003

I'll grant you have a point on the interface, AstroAds is, shall we
say, basic. Nevertheless it does the job. I look at Astromart on
occaision and yes, and it's a more professional layout. However,
people use AstroAds not to admire the graphics but to buy and sell
telescopes - rapidly, conveniently, and with the minimum of fuss. Many

or this on Jan 13 2003

Hi Dave, I bought the book about 12 months ago from Amazon

or perhaps this on 17 April 1999

of the filter wheel), it needs to be present all the time. There must
be many sources but I know True Technology offer good quality
interference filter set, look he
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~truetech/filters.htm

or this 1 Jul 1999

SkyMap will
definitely work with the LX200 and you can get the demo from
www.skymap.com

you also said this 30 oct 1999
This is silly, Chris made a simple announcement that was of potential
interest to many here. I don't have any difficulty differentiating
between what was said and blatent commercial advertising

And how does that compare with my answer?

on 1st July 1999 you also said this
No problem suggesting something else, no need to be 'clever' about it
- a 6" or 8" Dob or EQ Newt (yes, in the same price range in the UK
from Beacon Hill or Orion Optics). Or a 4" refractor (David Hinds or
Venturescope). Either of these would blow away the ETX.

Perhaps you forgot that on 5-8-2001 you also wrote this

http://security.norton.com does a very good job at testing your PC
security. I'm using ZoneAlarm and it passed all tests apart from the


Do you see anyone else advertising? No - because we stick
by the rules. Those that don't tend to lose their ISP account PDQ.

So yes I do see other people answering direct questions with direct
answers that tell them about a commercial venture

Unless of course advertising for true tech filters, Amazon, Norton
David Hinds, beacon hill or venturescope are allowed, but i didnt see
any reference to these in the charter

Oddly enough, ISPs have removed peoples account PDQ for making
malicious complaints.

I will argue with you on this one, there is a difference between
answering a question and advertising.


Looking for astro bits and eyepieces?
http://www.stores.ebay.co.uk/astrobitsandpieces
http://members.ebay.co.uk/aboutme/orpheus1959

wrote:

By your definition advertising is answering a question pointing
someone to a "commercial website",

There is a difference between pointing someone to the commercial
websites of others (which I would define as informing) and pointing
them at commercial goods on the posters own website (which I define as
advertising)

well perhaps you remember saying
this on 13 oct 2003

Not yet I don't, but I may come to remember it in 5 or 6 weeks.

There have been occasions when trolls have attacked Chris's site
pretty aggressively and things have been posted that are just plain
wrong - if Chris or any other corrects such misinformation, that is
not advertising.

ADVERT
www.charmectomy.con - it really works.
/ADVERT

Cheers

Martin

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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:09:17 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:28:02 +0100, lid
(ChrisH) wrote:


That was a tongue-in-cheek question to my mind, but even if I were
wrong your response should have been via private mail.

Well I re-read the charter and it doesnt say that tongue-in-cheek
questions were not to be answered.
Of course silly me thought the question was genuine and serious, and I
actually went out of my way somewhat to find this information out.


No you didn't. You never thought it was serious.
Your reply to the whole question was '...and your point is?' clearly
indicating you KNEW this.


Yes, I have, and I refer you to my previous questions.


What part of:-

Quote
ADVERTISING
Is forbidden except for short (less than 10 lines) private adverts
for astronomy related items (telescopes, eyepieces, software,
books etc.) and announcements of events relevant to astronomy
in the UK. Blatant off-topic and commercial advertising is
not permitted.
/Quote

..... are you having difficulty understanding?

See above. If unsuccessful ask for his email address.


But how would i know if i was unsuccesful in answering his question?
as you can see from this quote


That's your problem, and no excuse to post commercial adverts in this
group.


That is not necessary, just stay within the charter. Do you see me
advertising?

umm YES most definately i see you advertising


Inane examples snipped...

Do you see anyone else advertising? No - because we stick
by the rules. Those that don't tend to lose their ISP account PDQ.

So yes I do see other people answering direct questions with direct
answers that tell them about a commercial venture

Unless of course advertising for true tech filters, Amazon, Norton
David Hinds, beacon hill or venturescope are allowed, but i didnt see
any reference to these in the charter

Oddly enough, ISPs have removed peoples account PDQ for making
malicious complaints.

I will argue with you on this one, there is a difference between
answering a question and advertising.


No you don't see me advertising, and you do not see anyone else
advertising either. None of the 'examples' you quote could possibly be
construed as commercial advertising by anyone other than yourself.

Contrast that with your advert directly offering 20 pairs of
slow-motion cables at the price you indicate, and asking prospective
purchasers to contact you to buy them. Now THAT is commercial
advertising.

If you are so thick you can't understand the difference you really
have a problem and will no doubt reap the consequences. Trust me on
this.

ChrisH

UK Astro Ads: http://www.UKAstroAds.co.uk

ChrisH wrote:
You just stepped over the line for commercial 'advertising'. It is not
allowed in this group.

And, in every post, he contravenes eBay policy on promoting eBay
auctions/sales on USENET. (See:
URL:http://api-test.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html

[OB-ASTRO]
Sitting here at my desk, looking through the window to the south-east,
watching Sirius cleat the horizon murk -- my God, the seeing looks awful
-- glad I wasn't tempted to get up when I woke up at 03:30.

Best,
Stephen

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