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I have a very long page at:
http://astroneu.com/plasma-redshift-1/ concerning two theories by which light is redshifted by a plasma which is of such a low density that the inter-particle spacing generally exceeds the coherence length of the light. This leads the wavefront to travel in an inhomogenous medium: primarily vacuum with occasional discrete interactions with particles which slow down parts of the wavefront. I point to Ari Brynjolfsson's highly mathematically developed theory: Redshift of photons penetrating a hot plasma http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401420 and discuss my own, which is far less developed, but probably easier to understand. These are tired light theories and I have written to Ned Wright asking him to link to my page from his critique: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/tiredlit.htm If a theory such as plasma redshift turns out to be valid, then the Big Bang theory would probably be shown to be largely or wholly invalid. But the Big Bang theory creates many problems, particularly for explaining quasars, because of the extreme distances and luminosities the theory insists on for these objects. These problems include the Compton catastrophe, the rapid variations in flux and the commonplace so-called "superluminal" motion of jet components - all of which will probably be resolved if high redshift quasars are considered to be at distances comparable to lower redshift galaxies. Plasma redshift would explain most of the redshift of quasars as occurring close to them in a locally concentrated zone of IGM. The cosmological redshift of galaxies would probably be shown to be plasma redshift, rather than Doppler shift due to their recession from us, AKA "the expansion of the Universe". There are a number of really important, well observed phenomena which we do not currently understand at all. I think these should be well understood before anyone is confident about a theory such as the Big Bang. These problems include the missing mass of galaxies (to explain their rotation and probably their velocities in clusters), the heating of the solar corona and the acceleration of the solar wind. I think that the failure to find the transverse proximity effect with a foreground quasar is a robust challenge to the conventional view of redshift and the velocities and distances of quasars and galaxies. Disproving a theory and replacing it with nothing more than a realisation that we don't have a good theory is perfectly good scientific progress. Nonetheless it is customary and persuasive to provide a new theory as a drop-in replacement and to use that theory as the foundation of new and more elegant explanations of observations which were previously explained with the old theory. I show that once the Universe is considered to be *lot* older than 15 billion years, it is not hard to think of plausible-sounding mechanisms to explain observations such as the foam-like large-scale structure and the CMB. There's a lot of material on my page which will hopefully be interesting, but it may lead to blood-pressure anisotropy in those who are sick of critiques of the Big Bang theory. This page is a work-in-progress so please let me know your critiques, suggestions for improvement etc. via email or via sci.astro.research. Below I list some topics my page covers. - Robin Coronal heating and solar wind acceleration. Spicules and prominences. The energy of light encountered by each particle (electron, proton, ion etc.) close to the Sun is about 64 microwatts - the amount of sunlight on Earth which passes through a hole 0.24 mm in diameter. I estimate the redshift of light required to heat the solar corona etc. is at least 3 parts per million - but this is not observed in the redshift of photospheric absorption lines. I give a potential explanation based on the long coherence length of these lines request that critics cut this young theory some slack for a while regarding this apparent discrepancy. (This is for my theory - Ari Brynjolfsson has other mechanisms besides plasma redshift for heating and acceleration. It seems that the gravitational redshift is not observed in photospheric lines either - he has a theory why.) If plasma redshift can redshift light by one part in 13 billion (a millimetre in the diameter of the Earth) for every year it spends travelling in the Inter Galactic Medium, then there's no reason to believe that the cosmological redshift is caused by Doppler movement / expansion of the Universe. Combining the catalogues of the 2dFGRS and 2QZ surveys. The CMB may be caused by black dwarfs and their collision fragments - a dark matter halo around galaxies. (Galaxies can be plenty old enough to produce a vast graveyard of black dwarfs once we accept that the Universe is far older than the Big Bang theory suggests.) Largescale structure of the Universe (Be sure to see the "3D" rotating visualisation of the CfA galaxy redshifts: http://www.allthesky.com/various/cfa.html ) X-ray background suggests Void IGM is at 440,000,000K - which could be explained by plasma redshift. Such temperatures lead to pressures which corral galaxies into clusters in the spaces between the void "bubbles". I suggest the void does this by constraining denser Intra-Cluster IGM, which is somehow gravitationally and/or frictionally coupled to the visible galaxies and their dark matter halos. Some inconclusive thoughts on the Fingers of God galaxy redshift scatter effect. Failure to find the Transverse Proximity Effect (AKA Foreground Proximity Effect) with a foreground quasar leads the researchers to contemplate three implausible and probably provably wrong explanations within conventional Big Bang cosmology. However they do not seem to consider that this well-established failure to find the predicted effect constitutes solid evidence that quasars are not at the distances they believe them to be. (I wrote to the researchers a few weeks ago.) I propose that most of the redshift of high redshift quasars is caused by a more concentrated IGM (gravitationally - the quasar feeds on it) around the quasar, leading to more plasma redshift per parsec than is usual in the Void IGM. Some speculative thoughts on low-FIP fractionation of elements in the solar upper chromosphere and on the variations in wind speed according to the state of the atmosphere from which it originates. Possible indirect lab tests of plasma redshift and/or the role of low-coherence light (sunlight) in chromospheric element fractionation. |
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Robin Whittle wrote:
These are tired light theories and I have written to Ned Wright asking him to link to my page from his critique: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/tiredlit.htm Tired light theories have very serious problems, as described on Prof. Wright's pages. The identification of new putative mechanisms for the light to tire does not get around the problems. Paul |
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Robin,
You may want to check out my discussion 'Redshift Mechanisms and Supernova Lightcurves' ( http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl...erv.aei.mpg.de ). My own suggestion for the 'cosmological' redshift is also a plasma theory dependent on the interparticle distance but it uses solely the wave theory of light and involves no scattering and collision processes at all (which certainly would have observable consequences). With regard to the 'Coronal Heating' problem you may want to check out my webpage http://www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research/sun.htm . Basically, its point is that the coronal temperature is in fact the 'natural' temperature of the sun (as given by the gravitational potential) and the photosphere is a region cooled by inelastic collisions. Best regards, Thomas P.S.: Please note that I have blocked the mailbox given above due to spam. If you want to contact me directly, go to the website for contact details. |
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Paul and Gordon, my page points to Ned Wright's tired light
critique and acknowledges that if distant supernovae light curves are genuinely stretched in direct proportion to the observed redshift then this constitutes an excellent disproof of any tired light theory explaining that redshift. My initial impression was that this approach could be subject to errors regarding proper correction for extinction etc. I will try to scrutinise the key papers listed at: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#TD What do you think about the failure to find the Transverse Proximity Effect with a foreground quasar? If Big Bang cosmology is correct, then the redshift of light from distant quasars occurs in easily predicted locations along the sightline from the quasar to Earth. This would mean that the failure to find the transverse proximity effect with a foreground quasar must be explained by one or more of three extremely unlikely (considering that the effect has not been found in any of the cases examined in detail) or provably non-existent (in a particular case) mechanisms. The TPE effect is expected according to Big Bang cosmology - the foreground quasar is believed to lie close to the sightline to a background quasar and the foreground quasar is predicted to ionize all neutral H in its vicinity, which should result in an absence of Lyman alpha absorption in the spectrum of the background quasar at a wavelength corresponding to the redshift of the foreground quasar. The repeated failure to find this effect leaves investigators to choose between three alternatives, which can be identified, if not fully described as: 1 - The foreground quasar turns on and off - and was off at the time it would have had to be on to ionize the neutral H in the sightline to the background quasar. 2 - The foreground quasar's light (UV at least) is beamed towards us and does not affect the sightline to the background quasar. 3 - The foreground quasar is surrounded by a cloud which prevents its light from ionizing the neutral H in the sightline to the background quasar. However, a simpler explanation is that the redshift of light from these quasars happens primarily near them (due to plasma redshift or some other such process) so firstly the quasars are closer than usually assumed and secondly the redshift along the sightline doesn't happen in a linear or easily predictable fashion. In this explanation, we have no clear idea of the distances to the quasars. Maybe the so-called "background" quasar, the one with the higher redshift, is closer than the lower redshift quasar, but has more of its total redshift occurring in the region close to it. The most recent papers on the failure to find the Transverse Proximity Effect with a foreground quasar have not yet been published, but the pre-prints, and a PhD thesis by Michael Schirber are pointed to from: http://astroneu.com/plasma-redshift-1/#TPE and are listed below. - Robin Michael Schirber's thesis, section 8, page 160 (page 175 in the PDF): Sources, Sinks and Scatterers of the Ultra-Violet Background http://www.ohiolink.edu/etd/view.cgi?osu1072842778 http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~astro/thesis.pdf The Transverse Proximity Effect: A Probe to the Environment, Anisotropy, and Megayear Variability of QSOs Michael Schirber, Jordi Miralda-Escude, Patrick McDonald http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0307563 Ionizing radiation fluctuations and large-scale structure in the Lyman-alpha forest Rupert A.C. Croft http://astrophysics.phys.cmu.edu/~rcroft/ http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310890 |
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Hi Thomas,
My page http://astroneu.com/plasma-redshift-1/#Other-theories links to the discussion you cite and to your site http://www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research/#A11 . I can't follow your mathematics or understand your theory on a physical basis. How close is your theory to Ari Brynjolfsson's or mine? I haven't linked to or discussed your theory about the temperature of the solar corona: http://www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research/sun.htm because my cursory reading of it gave me the impression you are explaining a static temperature which is simply cooled at the photosphere. I believe that what really needs to be explained is how cooler material from the chromosphere is dramatically heated and blasted out into space on a continual basis, a process which seems to involve an energy budget of at least 3 parts per million of the total solar flux. Estimates of the total coronal heating energy requirement, including active regions, are much higher than this. Does your theory attempt to explain the heating and accelleration of the corona and solar wind, from the transition region out to way beyond 1AU? - Robin |
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Robin Whittle wrote:
Paul and Gordon, my page points to Ned Wright's tired light critique and acknowledges that if distant supernovae light curves are genuinely stretched in direct proportion to the observed redshift then this constitutes an excellent disproof of any tired light theory explaining that redshift. That is not the only argument against tired light. The argument from the CMB radiation is also very strong (tired light does not preserve 'black body'-ness of a radiation bath, but the CMB is thermal to very high precision, requiring incredible coincidences for TL to work.) Paul |
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(Eric Flesch) writes:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 08:12:45 GMT, (Gordon D. Pusch) wrote: The obvious problem with all non-Doppler redshift theories is that the Type Ia Supernova (SnIa) observations clearly show an observed time dilation effect that is completely consistent with their observed redshift. Whilst appreciating the importance of this point, has the SNIa time dilation ever been formally analyzed or refereed? ... Yes. [ ref. 1 ] Craig References 1. Goldhaber et al 2001 , ApJ, 558, 359 (astro-ph/0104382) |
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(Eric Flesch) writes:
On Tue, 11 May 2004 08:12:45 GMT, (Gordon D. Pusch) wrote: The obvious problem with all non-Doppler redshift theories is that the Type Ia Supernova (SnIa) observations clearly show an observed time dilation effect that is completely consistent with their observed redshift. Whilst appreciating the importance of this point, has the SNIa time dilation ever been formally analyzed or refereed? Back in 1998 when Leibundgut's High-z Supernova search team and Perlmutter's Supernova Cosmology group were starting operations, the standard modus operandi was to apply the time dilation to the supernova curves as an assumed fact. This method was not really questioned; I remember Leibundgut had some qualms about this but he seems to have fallen into step with the others. However, not all papers apply this technique; specifically, astro-ph/0309368 shows 11 unadjusted light curves in a range of z=.35 to z=.86, and I see no z-dependence on the light curve widths. At least, I think those curves are unadjusted; I see no mention of applying any z-correction. Unfortunately, the human eye is not particularly good at picking out that sort of thing from a set of dozens of independent "thumbnail" plots, as presented in this paper. The differences become much more obvious when they are all plotted on the same scale, as in the second figure on http://www.nd.edu/~kkrisciu/supernovae.html. A pointer to any formal analysis on this question in a published paper would be much appreciated. Go back to the paper you cited, and re-read the discussion of the "light curve template fitting procedure" in the bottom paragraph of the left column of p.8, where it states "The light curve model has four parameters [...]: The time of rest-frame B-band maximum light, [...] and timescale stretch `s'." (See also the definition of their "corrected" observer-frame time t' in terms of the redshift and fitted B-band "stretch" factors, halfway down the right column of p.8) -- Gordon D. Pusch perl -e '$_ = \n"; s/NO\.//; s/SPAM\.//; print;' |
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