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February 13th 04, 09:11 PM
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let's be humble !
I found this "true color" images of the spherules, it uses 3 images with L4 L5 and L6 filters and the corrections looks almost perfect
(the calibration seems to be almost perfect with L4 L5 and L6 filters http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/me...5M1_L4L5L6.jpg) The terrain in true colors (from opportunity day 11) is really interesting http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/me...5M1_L4L5L6.jpg 1. The just emerging ones are ALL white. 2. ALL the small debris are blue. The "minerals"  ) spherules are turning from white to blue when they fade, Oooops could minerals grow and die ? On the microscopic images faded spherules (and pieces of faded spherules) are quite evident compared to the "budding" ones. http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...B019R1_br2.jpg http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...P2932M1M1.HTML I know that most of you just can't admit, or even envisage, that these spherules are life. Let's try to forget what we think we know, we are probably at the stone age of sciences, let's be humble ! Most of us were prepared to the discovery of life traces, but why should life had disappeared ? What do we know about life as a phenomenon ? Nearly nothing, let's be humble ! Life may have perfectly adapted across millions of years ! Why not ? )Eric We should keep in mind that Einstein had put imagination ahead of knowledge. The best "true colors" MER images available at the moment : http://mars.gh.wh.uni-dortmund.de/mer/opportunity/008/ (from Germany) 
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February 13th 04, 09:56 PM
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let's be humble !
Eric Pouhier wrote:
1. The just emerging ones are ALL white. 2. ALL the small debris are blue. The "minerals" ) spherules are turning from white to blue when theyfade, Oooops could minerals grow and die ? I disagree with your analysis. Some of the rocks appear to have a coating of fine, brighter particles. Perhaps from the weathering of the outcrop. Those buried in the soil don't seem to have this coating. I could be wrong, but there are plenty of other explanations that involve various stages of weathering. I know that most of you just can't admit, or even envisage, that these spherules are life. Let's try to forget what we think we know, we are probably at the stone age of sciences, let's be humble ! How about not making such extreme assumptions about people you don't know and their motives? Perhaps that would be more humble of you. There are other very legitimate reasons to think these are just rocks, although you seem to have done your best to cast aspersions against anyone who might dare suggest it. Most of us were prepared to the discovery of life traces, but why should life had disappeared ? What do we know about life as a phenomenon ? Nearly nothing, let's be humble ! Life may have perfectly adapted across millions of years ! Why not ? )Why assume the least likely explanation? My definition of being "humble" would be to assume the most likely explanations rather than the most interesting. It is highly unlikely these are anything other than rocks. How humble is it to think you know better than the trained geologists looking at these things? If they aren't rocks, they'll figure that out--scientifically, without jumping to unwarranted conclusions. We should keep in mind that Einstein had put imagination ahead of knowledge. Imagination is fine when trying to solve a problem that cannot be solved via tried, traditional means. But it has no place when the problem can explained easily and simply in terms of things we already know. That is, if you are more interested in the truth than in entertaining yourself... -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools Software for the Observer: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Skyhound Observing Pages: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html To reply remove spleen
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February 13th 04, 09:56 PM
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let's be humble !
Eric Pouhier wrote:
1. The just emerging ones are ALL white. 2. ALL the small debris are blue. The "minerals" ) spherules are turning from white to blue when theyfade, Oooops could minerals grow and die ? I disagree with your analysis. Some of the rocks appear to have a coating of fine, brighter particles. Perhaps from the weathering of the outcrop. Those buried in the soil don't seem to have this coating. I could be wrong, but there are plenty of other explanations that involve various stages of weathering. I know that most of you just can't admit, or even envisage, that these spherules are life. Let's try to forget what we think we know, we are probably at the stone age of sciences, let's be humble ! How about not making such extreme assumptions about people you don't know and their motives? Perhaps that would be more humble of you. There are other very legitimate reasons to think these are just rocks, although you seem to have done your best to cast aspersions against anyone who might dare suggest it. Most of us were prepared to the discovery of life traces, but why should life had disappeared ? What do we know about life as a phenomenon ? Nearly nothing, let's be humble ! Life may have perfectly adapted across millions of years ! Why not ? )Why assume the least likely explanation? My definition of being "humble" would be to assume the most likely explanations rather than the most interesting. It is highly unlikely these are anything other than rocks. How humble is it to think you know better than the trained geologists looking at these things? If they aren't rocks, they'll figure that out--scientifically, without jumping to unwarranted conclusions. We should keep in mind that Einstein had put imagination ahead of knowledge. Imagination is fine when trying to solve a problem that cannot be solved via tried, traditional means. But it has no place when the problem can explained easily and simply in terms of things we already know. That is, if you are more interested in the truth than in entertaining yourself... -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools Software for the Observer: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Skyhound Observing Pages: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html To reply remove spleen
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February 14th 04, 04:18 AM
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let's be humble !
We should keep in mind that Einstein
had put imagination ahead of knowledge. This was from a man who had the confidence to go where his intelligence led him. Imagination without knowledge is simply fantasy. Marty
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February 14th 04, 04:18 AM
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let's be humble !
We should keep in mind that Einstein
had put imagination ahead of knowledge. This was from a man who had the confidence to go where his intelligence led him. Imagination without knowledge is simply fantasy. Marty
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February 14th 04, 08:37 AM
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let's be humble !
Hi Greg,
You are right, I should be more humble myself, but we should all be much much humble in front the universe and in front of life. We should all remember that humans had long beleived that the earth was the center of the universe, today we assume that life needs water and THIS might be a serious lake of humility. On mars life may have perfectly adapted across millions of years ! Why should life disappear ! Life may be much stronger that our mortal human nature could let us imagine. There is (the same ?) blue Spherules at spirit site too ! http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...EFF0500P2399R1 M1.JPG Best regards, Eric Pouhier We should keep in mind that Einstein had put imagination ahead of knowledge. "Greg Crinklaw" a écrit dans le message news: ... Eric Pouhier wrote: 1. The just emerging ones are ALL white. 2. ALL the small debris are blue. The "minerals" ) spherules are turning from white to blue when theyfade, Oooops could minerals grow and die ? I disagree with your analysis. Some of the rocks appear to have a coating of fine, brighter particles. Perhaps from the weathering of the outcrop. Those buried in the soil don't seem to have this coating. I could be wrong, but there are plenty of other explanations that involve various stages of weathering. I know that most of you just can't admit, or even envisage, that these spherules are life. Let's try to forget what we think we know, we are probably at the stone age of sciences, let's be humble ! How about not making such extreme assumptions about people you don't know and their motives? Perhaps that would be more humble of you. There are other very legitimate reasons to think these are just rocks, although you seem to have done your best to cast aspersions against anyone who might dare suggest it. Most of us were prepared to the discovery of life traces, but why should life had disappeared ? What do we know about life as a phenomenon ? Nearly nothing, let's be humble ! Life may have perfectly adapted across millions of years ! Why not ? )Why assume the least likely explanation? My definition of being "humble" would be to assume the most likely explanations rather than the most interesting. It is highly unlikely these are anything other than rocks. How humble is it to think you know better than the trained geologists looking at these things? If they aren't rocks, they'll figure that out--scientifically, without jumping to unwarranted conclusions. We should keep in mind that Einstein had put imagination ahead of knowledge. Imagination is fine when trying to solve a problem that cannot be solved via tried, traditional means. But it has no place when the problem can explained easily and simply in terms of things we already know. That is, if you are more interested in the truth than in entertaining yourself... -- Greg Crinklaw Astronomical Software Developer Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m) SkyTools Software for the Observer: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html Skyhound Observing Pages: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html To reply remove spleen
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February 14th 04, 08:44 AM
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url link updated sorry for that !
There is (the same ?) blue Spherules at spirit site too !
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...0P2399R1M1.JPG
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February 14th 04, 08:44 AM
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url link updated sorry for that !
There is (the same ?) blue Spherules at spirit site too !
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...0P2399R1M1.JPG
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February 14th 04, 08:55 AM
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let's be humble !
Hi Marty,
He never said Imagination without knowledge, but just that imagination is more important that knowledge in the process of understanding. Cheers, ERic "Marty" a écrit dans le message news: ... We should keep in mind that Einstein had put imagination ahead of knowledge. This was from a man who had the confidence to go where his intelligence led him. Imagination without knowledge is simply fantasy. Marty
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