Oh no, not again

A former NASA scientists claims UFOs really are alien spacecraft, and the government has been covering it up...

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/30/ex-na...ments-7672163/

John Savard

On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 06:17:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
wrote:

A former NASA scientists claims UFOs really are alien spacecraft, and the government has been covering it up...

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/30/ex-na...ments-7672163/

Less "ex-NASA" and more "ex-scientist".

(Nobody denies UFOs are real. The claim that they're alien visitors is
a pretty good litmus test for insanity, though.)

On Saturday, 30 June 2018 15:38:11 UTC+2, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 06:17:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
wrote:

A former NASA scientists claims UFOs really are alien spacecraft, and the government has been covering it up...

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/30/ex-na...ments-7672163/

Less "ex-NASA" and more "ex-scientist".

(Nobody denies UFOs are real. The claim that they're alien visitors is
a pretty good litmus test for insanity, though.)

Early critics of the potential dangers of high speeds on human passengers of early steam trains are now seen as completely bizarre. The fears of achieving what was then "warp speed" behind Stephenson's Rocket were very real at the time.

Doesn't the mere fact that UFO sightings are classified by most governments make them far more serious [and thereby interesting?] Than if they had always been in the public domain as fascinating but inexplicable phenomenon? How many far better sightings or images exist but are never reported out of fear of ridicule?

An explanation for the dark, featureless, "cheese wedge" which cruised slowly over our garden is still awaited decades later. Was there any relationship with our being on the normal flight path from a local, major airfield? Will the "black triangles" ever be de-classified? They would seem to offer very little danger given the total lack of photon torpedo attacks on any known, sensitive targets.

Or should we now all become totally paranoid about "time travelers" instead of space traveling aliens? Glimpses "across the mists of time" might well fill in a lot of the present blanks regarding our UFO sightings. Not to mention many inexplicable artifacts in human art. Not to mention the odd-god legends.

Time is sometimes referred to as only a human perception of reality. Might time be prone to interference effects, refraction, diffraction or distortion? These exist in high gravity situations. Why not around small, random, sub-micro singularities? Perhaps they pass through us constantly, like neutrinos and only occasionally affect the brain in some strange way?

"A half pint of Matrix Best Ale, please?"

Calling anything "nuts" is hardly a scientific approach. Unless, of course, you are discussing 1347½ ravings from the bottom of his creaking and rotting beer crate. Or some of the paranoid numbsculls peddling their wares on YT in exchange for advertising revenue?

"More Blood Wine, bartender and make it quick!! Glory awaits those who dare!" ;-)

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 7:38:11 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 06:17:24 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
wrote:

A former NASA scientists claims UFOs really are alien spacecraft, and
the government has been covering it up...

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/30/ex-na...ments-7672163/

Less "ex-NASA" and more "ex-scientist".

Shades of Bob Lazar!

(Nobody denies UFOs are real. The claim that they're alien visitors is
a pretty good litmus test for insanity, though.)

Mars is approaching opposition again. It is a bright jewel in the early
morning sky ...

On Saturday, 30 June 2018 09:17:26 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
A former NASA scientists claims UFOs really are alien spacecraft, and the government has been covering it up...

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/30/ex-na...ments-7672163/

John Savard

Why not? They believe in man-made global warming.

On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 04:52:26 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Saturday, 30 June 2018 09:17:26 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
A former NASA scientists claims UFOs really are alien spacecraft, and the government has been covering it up...

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/30/ex-na...ments-7672163/

John Savard

Why not? They believe in man-made global warming.

Yeah. And they believe the Sun is the center of the Solar System, and
that the Earth is spherical. What's next?!

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 2:05:04 PM UTC+1, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 04:52:26 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Saturday, 30 June 2018 09:17:26 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
A former NASA scientists claims UFOs really are alien spacecraft, and the government has been covering it up...

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/30/ex-na...ments-7672163/

John Savard

Why not? They believe in man-made global warming.

Yeah. And they believe the Sun is the center of the Solar System, and
that the Earth is spherical. What's next?!


There is no 'belief' requirement for a Sun centered solar system, there are however specific observations which determine the Sun is central and that the Earth is moving between a faster moving Venus and a slower moving Mars.


". . . the ancient hypotheses clearly fail to account for certain important matters. For example, they do not comprehend the causes of the numbers, extents and durations of the retrogradations and of their agreeing so well with the position and mean motion of the sun. Copernicus alone gives an explanation to those things that provoke astonishment among other astronomers, thus destroying the source of astonishment, which lies in the ignorance of the causes." Kepler , Mysterium Cosmographicum, 1596


Sadly the space agency doesn't seem to be up to the proof of the Earth's orbital motion which relies on the transition of the stars from the left to right of the Sun when its stationary position is used as a foreground reference -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeQwYrfmvoQ&t=3s

Without this principle it becomes impossible to refer the direct/retrograde motions of Venus and Mercury as they run their faster circuits within smaller orbital circumferences as seen from the wider orbit of the Earth.


Declaring what NASA does or does not know may seem authoritative but people should know the partitioning of direct/retrogrades by faster and slower motions even without knowing where it came from is all that matters.

On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 13:00:33 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher
wrote:

There is no 'belief' requirement for a Sun centered solar system...

Tell that to His Assholliness Urban VIII.

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 4:55:11 AM UTC-6, Gary Harnagel wrote:
On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 7:38:11 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

(Nobody denies UFOs are real. The claim that they're alien visitors is
a pretty good litmus test for insanity, though.)

Mars is approaching opposition again. It is a bright jewel in the early
morning sky ...

No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth
century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by
intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that
as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were
scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with
a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm
and multiply in a drop of water.

John Savard

On Sunday, 1 July 2018 09:05:04 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 04:52:26 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

On Saturday, 30 June 2018 09:17:26 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
A former NASA scientists claims UFOs really are alien spacecraft, and the government has been covering it up...

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/30/ex-na...ments-7672163/

John Savard

Why not? They believe in man-made global warming.

Yeah. And they believe the Sun is the center of the Solar System, and
that the Earth is spherical. What's next?!

Hopefully, less sloppy science, cherry-picked data and fewer extra-NASA agenda-driven goals.