Observing Visit to Mauna Kea

Last week I vacationed in Hawaii and met some friends for observing at the 9000 ft level of Mauna Kea, somewhat below the 14,700 ft summit where all the large observatories are located. The Visitor Center is located at this level, and every night hundreds of people converge on the parking lot outside the Vis to look thru a bunch of telescopes that the staff sets up. Chris Erickson drove us up there with his Astronomy Van and brought his C14 on his 1100 mount.

This first image shows two SCTs on equatorial mounts getting set up for the tourist onslaught that happens every night, 365 days of the year. In the background is the most massive mountain on Earth - Mauna Loa - rising above the marine layer (the peak is unfortunately hidden behind a nearby hill).

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As twilight fades, visitors line up behind the scopes to look thru the eyepieces of various scopes set up by staff and amateur volunteers. This C14 is Chris Erickson's, who sets up his scope pretty much every Tuesday and helps people to look thru the eyepiece and explains what they are seeing. This night it was Jupiter and then the Moon.

People are delighted to see the Moon, even when full, and all you hear are gasps and WOWs as they see it for the first time at 80x. Chris even shows them how to take I-phone pictures of what they have seen. Chris is the one facing away from the scope, holding a quite bright red light so that people don't run into the tripod.

I was at another C14 and showed people the open clusters in Auriga. Celestron donated the tube assemblies for several C14s and C11s. The mounts came from AP. 900, 110 and 1200 equatorials on Losmandy tripod-piers. There is also a Televue 127 and various medium size Dobs for those who want to sail among the stars at lower powers.

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During the early evening the sky was dark enough before the Moon rose to show the Zodiacal light with incredible clarity and brightness. I have seen it several times at the Mauna Kea Vis (short for Visitor center), but never got it quite right with my little Sony digital camera.

So here it is, my feeble attempt to capture this beautiful light show. Visually it reached up to the zenith, right past the Pleiades. On another occasion I also saw the Gegenschein past midnight, but not this night because of the Moon that rose later on.

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On 3/14/16 9:07 PM, SlurpieMcDoublegulp wrote:

Last week I vacationed in Hawaii and met some friends for observing at the 9000 ft level of Mauna Kea

Thanks for the report. I've never been up the mountain for observing;
your report has re-kindled my interest.

Given that there have been some difficulties regarding the importance of Mauna
Kea to Hawai'ian traditional beliefs, I was wondering if a new mountain could
be added to those already available.

For the Canada Winter Games in 1971, being held in Saskatchewan - a province
topographically similar to Kansas - an "artificial mountain" was built.

However, that mountain was just 45 metres high, according to the Wikipedia page
about it, although this page

http://www.canadagames.ca/1971-canad...ames-saskatoon

gives it 100 metres.

In any case, that's high enough to do some skiing, but not really enough to
make a difference to a telescope.

John Savard

On Wednesday, 16 March 2016 15:10:43 UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
Given that there have been some difficulties regarding the importance of Mauna
Kea to Hawai'ian traditional beliefs, I was wondering if a new mountain could
be added to those already available.

For the Canada Winter Games in 1971, being held in Saskatchewan - a province
topographically similar to Kansas - an "artificial mountain" was built.

However, that mountain was just 45 metres high, according to the Wikipedia page
about it, although this page

http://www.canadagames.ca/1971-canad...ames-saskatoon

gives it 100 metres.

In any case, that's high enough to do some skiing, but not really enough to
make a difference to a telescope.

John Savard

Ask the natives exactly HOW a telescope is going to make their FICTIONAL gods angry? Are they always against learning new things? Reminds me of the Star Trek ep. where the albinos were kept in ignorant fear of "Val."

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:45:59 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

Ask the natives exactly HOW a telescope is going to make their FICTIONAL gods
angry? Are they always against learning new things? Reminds me of the Star
Trek ep. where the albinos were kept in ignorant fear of "Val."

Not all the Hawai'ians are in agreement on this. Many welcome the telescope.

As it happens, they _own_ the mountain, so that changes the issue a bit.

But basically the idea is that the mountain is sacred, and thus building
permanent structures on it is inappropriate.

John Savard

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 4:59:29 PM UTC-7, Quadibloc wrote:
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:45:59 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

Ask the natives exactly HOW a telescope is going to make their FICTIONAL gods
angry? Are they always against learning new things? Reminds me of the Star
Trek ep. where the albinos were kept in ignorant fear of "Val."

Not all the Hawai'ians are in agreement on this. Many welcome the telescope.

As it happens, they _own_ the mountain, so that changes the issue a bit.

But basically the idea is that the mountain is sacred, and thus building
permanent structures on it is inappropriate.

As if another telescope would make any difference. There are already (9) optical/infrared and (4) submillimeter/radio telescopes there. Perhaps it will come down, somehow, to money...

On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:45:56 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

Ask the natives exactly HOW a telescope is going to make their FICTIONAL gods angry?

An awful lot of bad public policy comes from worrying about fictional
gods. Not just in Hawaii.

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:59:29 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:45:59 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

Ask the natives exactly HOW a telescope is going to make their FICTIONAL gods
angry? Are they always against learning new things? Reminds me of the Star
Trek ep. where the albinos were kept in ignorant fear of "Val."

Not all the Hawai'ians are in agreement on this. Many welcome the telescope.

As it happens, they _own_ the mountain, so that changes the issue a bit.

But basically the idea is that the mountain is sacred, and thus building
permanent structures on it is inappropriate.

There are environmental concerns too:

http://www.civilbeat.com/2015/04/doe...nmental-risks/

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:16:47 UTC+1, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:59:29 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:45:59 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

Ask the natives exactly HOW a telescope is going to make their FICTIONAL gods
angry? Are they always against learning new things? Reminds me of the Star
Trek ep. where the albinos were kept in ignorant fear of "Val."

Not all the Hawai'ians are in agreement on this. Many welcome the telescope.

As it happens, they _own_ the mountain, so that changes the issue a bit.

But basically the idea is that the mountain is sacred, and thus building
permanent structures on it is inappropriate.

There are environmental concerns too:

http://www.civilbeat.com/2015/04/doe...nmental-risks/

What if the mountain in question was in the US and owned by native Indians?

Where's the cavalry when you need them?

"Got to have a massacre or two... tra-la."

On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 3:31:18 AM UTC-4, Chris.B wrote:
On Thursday, 17 March 2016 15:16:47 UTC+1, wsne... wrote:
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 7:59:29 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:45:59 PM UTC-6, RichA wrote:

Ask the natives exactly HOW a telescope is going to make their FICTIONAL gods
angry? Are they always against learning new things? Reminds me of the Star
Trek ep. where the albinos were kept in ignorant fear of "Val."

Not all the Hawai'ians are in agreement on this. Many welcome the telescope.

As it happens, they _own_ the mountain, so that changes the issue a bit.

But basically the idea is that the mountain is sacred, and thus building
permanent structures on it is inappropriate.

There are environmental concerns too:

http://www.civilbeat.com/2015/04/doe...nmental-risks/

What if the mountain in question was in the US and owned by native Indians?

Where's the cavalry when you need them?

"Got to have a massacre or two... tra-la."

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwor...way-back-59109

and perhaps less positive:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!ms...U/iqcsOY4iBQAJ


You might try educating yourself about American culture before commenting on it.