Manned Mars Mission

On Friday, July 26, 2013 8:20:55 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote:
"Greg (Strider) Moore" wrote in message

...

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/602/1







Some good stuff in there. I'll note they make a decent case for why ISRU

for the Moon is probably pointless, and developing that technology does

you no good on Mars.



Having an atmosphere on Mars, even the one it has, makes a HUGE

difference.









Since that article was written, the evidence for near polar ice on the Moon

has gotten stronger. Also some of these sites are near locations of near

continual solar illumination so stations there could be powered by solar

power.

The advantage of getting the propellant from the Moon is that you could

have nearly unlimited amount of propellant available for the mission, which

is not the case if that huge amount of propellant had to be launched from

Earth's deep gravity well.





Bob Clark

Once underground, almost anyplace within the moon is going to make for a terrific oasis, not to mention utilizing the zero delta-v of the Earth-moon L1 OASIS/Gateway.

On Monday, September 2, 2013 10:30:14 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Friday, July 26, 2013 8:20:55 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote:

"Greg (Strider) Moore" wrote in message



...



http://www.thespacereview.com/article/602/1















Some good stuff in there. I'll note they make a decent case for why ISRU



for the Moon is probably pointless, and developing that technology does



you no good on Mars.







Having an atmosphere on Mars, even the one it has, makes a HUGE



difference.



















Since that article was written, the evidence for near polar ice on the Moon



has gotten stronger. Also some of these sites are near locations of near



continual solar illumination so stations there could be powered by solar



power.



The advantage of getting the propellant from the Moon is that you could



have nearly unlimited amount of propellant available for the mission, which



is not the case if that huge amount of propellant had to be launched from



Earth's deep gravity well.











Bob Clark



Once underground, almost anyplace within the moon is going to make for a terrific oasis, not to mention utilizing the zero delta-v of the Earth-moon L1 OASIS/Gateway.

So Guthball, how are you going to GET to the Earth-Moon L1?

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:34:53 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:
On Monday, September 2, 2013 10:30:14 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:

On Friday, July 26, 2013 8:20:55 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote:



"Greg (Strider) Moore" wrote in message







...







http://www.thespacereview.com/article/602/1































Some good stuff in there. I'll note they make a decent case for why ISRU







for the Moon is probably pointless, and developing that technology does







you no good on Mars.















Having an atmosphere on Mars, even the one it has, makes a HUGE







difference.







































Since that article was written, the evidence for near polar ice on the Moon







has gotten stronger. Also some of these sites are near locations of near







continual solar illumination so stations there could be powered by solar







power.







The advantage of getting the propellant from the Moon is that you could







have nearly unlimited amount of propellant available for the mission, which







is not the case if that huge amount of propellant had to be launched from







Earth's deep gravity well.























Bob Clark







Once underground, almost anyplace within the moon is going to make for a terrific oasis, not to mention utilizing the zero delta-v of the Earth-moon L1 OASIS/Gateway.



So Guthball, how are you going to GET to the Earth-Moon L1?

You've got to be kidding. Didn't you get yourself past 4th grade?

On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:31:40 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:34:53 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:

On Monday, September 2, 2013 10:30:14 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Friday, July 26, 2013 8:20:55 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote:

"Greg (Strider) Moore" wrote in message

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/602/1


Some good stuff in there. I'll note they make a decent case for why ISRU


for the Moon is probably pointless, and developing that technology does


you no good on Mars.

Having an atmosphere on Mars, even the one it has, makes a HUGE

difference.



Since that article was written, the evidence for near polar ice on the Moon




has gotten stronger. Also some of these sites are near locations of near


continual solar illumination so stations there could be powered by solar


power.


The advantage of getting the propellant from the Moon is that you could


have nearly unlimited amount of propellant available for the mission, which



is not the case if that huge amount of propellant had to be launched from



Earth's deep gravity well.


Bob Clark


Once underground, almost anyplace within the moon is going to make for a terrific oasis, not to mention utilizing the zero delta-v of the Earth-moon L1 OASIS/Gateway.


So Guthball, how are you going to GET to the Earth-Moon L1?



You've got to be kidding. Didn't you get yourself past 4th grade?

Another question answered with a question. So you don't know.

On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:46:42 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:
On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:31:40 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:34:53 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:



On Monday, September 2, 2013 10:30:14 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:

On Friday, July 26, 2013 8:20:55 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote:



"Greg (Strider) Moore" wrote in message



http://www.thespacereview.com/article/602/1





Some good stuff in there. I'll note they make a decent case for why ISRU





for the Moon is probably pointless, and developing that technology does





you no good on Mars.



Having an atmosphere on Mars, even the one it has, makes a HUGE



difference.







Since that article was written, the evidence for near polar ice on the Moon









has gotten stronger. Also some of these sites are near locations of near





continual solar illumination so stations there could be powered by solar





power.





The advantage of getting the propellant from the Moon is that you could





have nearly unlimited amount of propellant available for the mission, which







is not the case if that huge amount of propellant had to be launched from







Earth's deep gravity well.





Bob Clark





Once underground, almost anyplace within the moon is going to make for a terrific oasis, not to mention utilizing the zero delta-v of the Earth-moon L1 OASIS/Gateway.





So Guthball, how are you going to GET to the Earth-Moon L1?







You've got to be kidding. Didn't you get yourself past 4th grade?


Another question answered with a question. So you don't know.

You've been here for years, though having accomplished absolutely nothing of any notable value, and you've seen and having gone through my topics and replies every bit as often as anyone. Are you experiencing old-fart memory issues?

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:27:47 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:46:42 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:

On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:31:40 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:



On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 7:34:53 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:







On Monday, September 2, 2013 10:30:14 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:



On Friday, July 26, 2013 8:20:55 AM UTC-7, Robert Clark wrote:







"Greg (Strider) Moore" wrote in message







http://www.thespacereview.com/article/602/1











Some good stuff in there. I'll note they make a decent case for why ISRU











for the Moon is probably pointless, and developing that technology does











you no good on Mars.







Having an atmosphere on Mars, even the one it has, makes a HUGE







difference.















Since that article was written, the evidence for near polar ice on the Moon



















has gotten stronger. Also some of these sites are near locations of near











continual solar illumination so stations there could be powered by solar











power.











The advantage of getting the propellant from the Moon is that you could











have nearly unlimited amount of propellant available for the mission, which















is not the case if that huge amount of propellant had to be launched from















Earth's deep gravity well.











Bob Clark











Once underground, almost anyplace within the moon is going to make for a terrific oasis, not to mention utilizing the zero delta-v of the Earth-moon L1 OASIS/Gateway.











So Guthball, how are you going to GET to the Earth-Moon L1?















You've got to be kidding. Didn't you get yourself past 4th grade?





Another question answered with a question. So you don't know.



You've been here for years, though having accomplished absolutely nothing of any notable value, and you've seen and having gone through my topics and replies every bit as often as anyone. Are you experiencing old-fart memory issues?

And there's the third time you answered a question with a question. Brad, everyone realizes you are a cut & paste fraud.

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:03:07 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:
On Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:27:47 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:


You've been here for years, though having accomplished absolutely nothing of any notable value, and you've seen and having gone through my topics and replies every bit as often as anyone. Are you experiencing old-fart memory issues?



And there's the third time you answered a question with a question. Brad, everyone realizes you are a cut & paste fraud.

Your pathetic method of quoting everything is proof that you have no control over anything you contribute.

To a serial topic/author stalker that has never contributed anything positive nor constructive, why should anyone care whatever you think is proper?

What exactly do you have to offer this or any other topic?

Justify as to why anyone should ever do as you ask of them?

On Friday, September 13, 2013 1:10:11 PM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:
On Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:03:07 AM UTC-7, Dean wrote:

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 2:27:47 AM UTC-4, Brad Guth wrote:





You've been here for years, though having accomplished absolutely nothing of any notable value, and you've seen and having gone through my topics and replies every bit as often as anyone. Are you experiencing old-fart memory issues?







And there's the third time you answered a question with a question. Brad, everyone realizes you are a cut & paste fraud.



Your pathetic method of quoting everything is proof that you have no control over anything you contribute.



To a serial topic/author stalker that has never contributed anything positive nor constructive, why should anyone care whatever you think is proper?



What exactly do you have to offer this or any other topic?



Justify as to why anyone should ever do as you ask of them?

And there's the fourth time you've answered with a question!

On Friday, September 13, 2013 12:10:11 PM UTC-5, Brad Guth babbled:
To a serial topic/author stalker that has never contributed anything positive nor constructive, why should anyone care whatever you think is proper?

....Otay, then take a strong bit of advice from someone who *has* contributed positively to this group, not only through several hundred threads, but a certain FAQ published during the worst event this hierarchy experienced: Go away. Whether it's to just go away, or **** off and die, is mox nix. Your presence has been unwanted for over a decade, and were this the Usenet before "Eternal September", you'd have been permanently banned by Spaf or Tale, just like Tim Maroney was.

So again, leave. Depart. Vanish. **** off. A dozen years of your psychotic crap is more than enough.

OM