Speed of gravity

On Nov 21, 9:32 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Don Stockbauer, the fortune teller, wrote:

Isaac Newton thought the influence of gravity was instantaneous, but
Einstein assumed it travelled at the speed of light and built this
into his 1915 story called general theory of relativity.

The fortune teller is completely ignorant. GR was built not because
with the speed of gravity in mind but a quest to find the holy grail
similar to the Poisson equation. shrug

However, now that the speed limit has been lifted, we should ask
heretical questions like: "What is the speed of gravity?"

Since gravity dilates time, a better question to ask is how
gravitational time dilation itself will affect the propagating effect
of gravity. Even GR is completely lost at this question. shrug

This problem was considered by Faraday. It was obvious to him that the
electric waves and gravity are the same.

This is just not true. Faraday only understood a quarter of the
mechanism that predicts light travels at the said speed of light in
vacuum. shrug

All waves attract bodies.

Waves are manifestations of mediums --- the Aether as the medium of
light propagation. shrug

"Koobee Wublee" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Nov 21, 9:32 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Don Stockbauer, the fortune teller, wrote:

Isaac Newton thought the influence of gravity was instantaneous, but
Einstein assumed it travelled at the speed of light and built this
into his 1915 story called general theory of relativity.

The fortune teller is completely ignorant. GR was built not because
with the speed of gravity in mind but a quest to find the holy grail
similar to the Poisson equation. shrug

However, now that the speed limit has been lifted, we should ask
heretical questions like: "What is the speed of gravity?"

Since gravity dilates time, a better question to ask is how
gravitational time dilation itself will affect the propagating effect
of gravity. Even GR is completely lost at this question. shrug

This problem was considered by Faraday. It was obvious to him that the
electric waves and gravity are the same.

This is just not true. Faraday only understood a quarter of the
mechanism that predicts light travels at the said speed of light in
vacuum. shrug

Faraday unerstood everything in that matter. He explained the light
polarisation. The light waves are the lateral waves not transversal.
http://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.html

Years later Hertz made the dipole and "produced" the damped waves exactly
like light.
Next Tesla made the monopole and produced waves exactly like sound waves.

All waves attract bodies.

Waves are manifestations of mediums --- the Aether as the medium of
light propagation. shrug

Waves are inherently asymmetrical. The point source attracts. It works in
industry.
S*

On Nov 23, 9:57*am, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:32 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Don Stockbauer, the fortune teller, wrote:
Isaac Newton thought the influence of gravity was instantaneous, but
Einstein assumed it travelled at the speed of light and built this
into his 1915 story called general theory of relativity.

The fortune teller is completely ignorant. *GR was built not because
with the speed of gravity in mind but a quest to find the holy grail
similar to the Poisson equation. *shrug


**** You are, and it is a special joy for me to communicate it, an
antisemitic shrugging twit.

Check those shoulders, kookoo.

Tonio


However, now that the speed limit has been lifted, we should ask
heretical questions like: "What is the speed of gravity?"

Since gravity dilates time, a better question to ask is how
gravitational time dilation itself will affect the propagating effect
of gravity. *Even GR is completely lost at this question. *shrug

This problem was considered by Faraday. It was obvious to him that the
electric waves and gravity are the same.

This is just not true. *Faraday only understood a quarter of the
mechanism that predicts light travels at the said speed of light in
vacuum. *shrug

All waves attract bodies.

Waves are manifestations of mediums --- the Aether as the medium of
light propagation. *shrug

On Nov 23, 2:17 am, "Peter Webb" wrote:
"Koobee Wublee" wrote:

The fortune teller is completely ignorant. GR was built not because
with the speed of gravity in mind but a quest to find the holy grail
similar to the Poisson equation. shrug

No.

Oh, why don’t show where the speed of gravity was concerned in 1915?
If you cannot, you are a very fvcking lousy historian on GR. shrug

Since gravity dilates time, a better question to ask is how
gravitational time dilation itself will affect the propagating effect
of gravity. Even GR is completely lost at this question. shrug

No. This is handled perfectly by GR. You should learn it before saying what
it does and does not include.

Well, how does GR handle perfectly with the speed of gravity under
gravitational time dilation? Stop lying for a change. shrug

This is just not true. Faraday only understood a quarter of the
mechanism that predicts light travels at the said speed of light in
vacuum. shrug

No. Faraday predates the full version of Maxwell's equations. He had no idea
of the relationship between light and magnetic and electric fields.

Nonsense. Faraday was an experimental physicist. He never had
Maxwell’s equations at hand before Maxwell. Again, stop making your
fictitious history. shrug

Waves are manifestations of mediums --- the Aether as the medium of
light propagation. shrug

No, waves are not manifestations of mediums. They are equations of state
with periodic solutions.

Well, just name a propagating wave that does not require a medium
other than light. shrug

You have managed to demonstrate that:

1. You know very little physics, and nothing about GR (eg see your bull****
about gravity speed not being explained by GR).

2. Know very little about the history of physics (eg see your remarks about
Faraday).

3. Know nothing about maths (eg see your definition of a wave which states
that it is a manifestation of a medium).

Which raises the question. If you know nothing about physics, history or
maths, why are you posting to a physics forum?

If you cannot properly answer all the questions that He has posted,
then you are ignorant of both science and history, and the proper
place for you as a piece of **** is in the toilet. shrug

where is teh absolute vacuum, taht aether is needed
to fulfill?

Pascal thought that there was such a beast, and
he was one of the greatest of mathematicical physicists;
however, he didn't know about partial pressures,
as in the column in the evacuated tube
o'er the mercury.

*shrug

On 27 nov, 20:10, Tonico wrote:
On Nov 23, 9:57*am, Koobee Wublee wrote:

On Nov 21, 9:32 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Don Stockbauer, the fortune teller, wrote:
Isaac Newton thought the influence of gravity was instantaneous, but
Einstein assumed it travelled at the speed of light and built this
into his 1915 story called general theory of relativity.

The fortune teller is completely ignorant. *GR was built not because
with the speed of gravity in mind but a quest to find the holy grail
similar to the Poisson equation. *shrug

**** You are, and it is a special joy for me to communicate it, an
antisemitic shrugging twit.

Check those shoulders, kookoo.

Tonio









However, now that the speed limit has been lifted, we should ask
heretical questions like: "What is the speed of gravity?"

Since gravity dilates time, a better question to ask is how
gravitational time dilation itself will affect the propagating effect
of gravity. *Even GR is completely lost at this question. *shrug

This problem was considered by Faraday. It was obvious to him that the
electric waves and gravity are the same.

This is just not true. *Faraday only understood a quarter of the
mechanism that predicts light travels at the said speed of light in
vacuum. *shrug

All waves attract bodies.

Waves are manifestations of mediums --- the Aether as the medium of
light propagation. *shrug

Majadero

On 27 nov, 20:10, Tonico wrote:
On Nov 23, 9:57*am, Koobee Wublee wrote:

On Nov 21, 9:32 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Don Stockbauer, the fortune teller, wrote:
Isaac Newton thought the influence of gravity was instantaneous, but
Einstein assumed it travelled at the speed of light and built this
into his 1915 story called general theory of relativity.

The fortune teller is completely ignorant. *GR was built not because
with the speed of gravity in mind but a quest to find the holy grail
similar to the Poisson equation. *shrug

**** You are, and it is a special joy for me to communicate it, an
antisemitic shrugging twit.

Check those shoulders, kookoo.

Tonio









However, now that the speed limit has been lifted, we should ask
heretical questions like: "What is the speed of gravity?"

Since gravity dilates time, a better question to ask is how
gravitational time dilation itself will affect the propagating effect
of gravity. *Even GR is completely lost at this question. *shrug

This problem was considered by Faraday. It was obvious to him that the

El "troleo" de la OEQDSD se puede observar en otros pasajes tales como
el que nos ofrece Michelson en su experimento de 1881: "Todos sabemos
que las estrellas se mueven a la mayor velocidad al amanecer".


Obvio, cuando obervamos un bastón sumergido en el agua, cambia la
metrica del observador, el fenómeno de refraccion distorsiona la
visón....
Bueno con matematicas podriamos decir que la visión no se
diatorsiona, y decir que lo que se distorsiona es el espacio, nada
nos
impediria introduccir una función en que la metrica fuera función del
espacio, pero seguro que tu y yo no nos dejariamos, porque el bastón
es el bastón el agua es el agua y el aire es el aire, "el sector de
espacio euclideo tridimensional" esta lleno de agua, aire y bastón.
Pero si tu y yo quisieramos engañar a todos esos Fisicos
relativistas, seguro que nos costaria muy poquito porque como se lo
dejaron hacer por Einstein, ....A ver por qué no se iban a dejar
hacer lo mismo por nosotros?
Menudo chollo seguro que si desarrollamos al idea hasta podriamos
compartir un Premio Nobel de fisica solo tendriamos que definir, y
cuantificar esa función de deformación espacio-temporal que
distorsiona la percepción del bastón.
¿Quieres que lo intentemos, a ver si los Fisicos de ahora son tan
gilipollas como los que habia en la epoca de Einstein?
Lo digo porque ya se cuidan muy bien los astronomos, diciendo que
el fondo de estrellas en el horizonte está deformado por un fenomeno
de refracción atmosferica, y que las distanciaas que se obserban
entre
las estrellas cambian 2algo parecido a como cuando se mira por una
lente.
Pues bien es sabido que la la Atmosfera terrestre es una birria,
comparada con la heliosfera terrestre.
¿Y que hace Einstein?
Pues ponerse a mirar el fondo de estrellas justo en la parte mas
densa
de la heliosfera solar en un eclipse de Sol.
Y observa como la posición relativa de las estrellas, y dice que
los rayos luninosos procedentes de las estrellas del fondo de
estrellas han sufrido una atracción gravitatoria, y que la metrica
espacio-temporal en las cercanias de esa estrella sufre una
distorsión
que justifica la rotación del perihelio de Mercurio.
En resumen que los Fisicos Ortodoxos son tan gilipollas, que
afirman que la birria de la Atmosfera terrestre, produce refracción
estelar en AM2 y que la Heliosfera no la produce. Y tienen la
ocurrencia de decir que los rayos del Sol se deforman por la
gravitación solar.
¡¡¡¡ Y EN 1916 SE CUNPLEN CIEN AÑOS DE LA METIRA !!!!!
Y como de costumbre media docena de especimenes mas tontos que la
madre que los parió, se ponen a seguirle el rollo a un palestino, y
los demás entran al trapo.
Estos palestinos son unos cracks motandose falsedades, y siempre
alguien estará adorando a un palestino ó a cualquier otra mentira
palestina que se tercie.
Parece como si estos palestinos tuvieran metida en la sangre la
fabricación de bromas pesadas y que encima fueran capaces de
establecer una estrategia de engaño piramidal que impregna todas las
capas de conocimienmto humano distorsionandolo y haciendolo obsoleto
e
inservible.
El absoluto incompetente astrónomo Michelson (Michelson es
especialista en óptica) confunde la aceleración aparente (no real) de
las posición de las estrellas con la velocidad real de dichas
estrellas.


No tan incompetente, tocar las narices a la plana mayor de la OEQDSD
y
encima que le den un Nobel y lo cobre que hoy viene a ser entorno a
UN
MILLON DE EUROS....
Por muchisimo menos atracan bares y joyerias y se llevan por
delante al dueño.
No te pienses que Michelson era tan estúpido.
Los estafadores no suelen ser estúpidos, estupidos son los que entran
al trapo de los estafadores, y si ya se organizan para
institucionalizar la estafa y celebralo....
Huy!!! ...pero si esto conecta con la constitución española que
parece haber sido redactada tambien por otro palestino.
¿Te extraña que se puedan hacer con tanta facilidad tranferencias
desde el gobierno a Palestina? ...y que yo cuando echo gasolina esté
manteniendo palestinos, mientras muchos de mis compatriotas entrados
en años van buscando por la basura?
Yo personalmente no creo en las coincidencias.
Otro si digo, que estoy de estos palestinos hasta la bola.
Tuvo que ser un astrónomo (D.C. Miller) el que "pusiera firmes" a
Michelson, pero ello no ocurrió hasta 1928, poco antes de que
Michelson falleciera.
Y la OEQDSD cien años después aún no se ha molestado en corregir a
Michelson. Michelson recibió INMERECIDAMENTE un premio Nobel en 1907.


Que le quiten lo bailao.
Otro "troleo" de la OEQDSD nos lo ofrece C. Coulomb en sus
experimentos con la balanza de torsión cuando dice:"Evidentemente la
fuerza de torsión es proporcional al ángulo girado por la balanza".
Lo que es evidente es que la energía de torsión (trabajo) es
proporcional al ángulo girado por la balanza. Coulomb confunde fuerza
con trabajo y la OEQDSD lleva más de 200 años sin querer corregir el
error.


Con los pares de fuerzas hemos topado.
Seguro que el fenomeno torsión no es lineal y como todo fenomeno
fisico para alcanzar la objetividad plena exije TABULACION.
¿Gilipollas?
Ni estan todos los que son, ni son todos los que están.

electric waves and gravity are the same.

This is just not true. *Faraday only understood a quarter of the
mechanism that predicts light travels at the said speed of light in
vacuum. *shrug

All waves attract bodies.

Waves are manifestations of mediums --- the Aether as the medium of
light propagation. *shrug