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Old December 4th 10, 08:44 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
David M. Palmer
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In article
,
William Mook wrote:

Even while the NYT has written major articles about minor inventions
of mine;
They have ignored what I consider more important stories, like this
one which was pulled;


Just because you hire Heather Fletcher of Target Marketing
http://www.targetmarketingmag.com/docs/editstaff
to write an advertising puff-piece doesn't mean that the NYT "pulled
the story" when it didn't reprint it verbatim.

AMERICAN MAKES OIL FOR OPEC

By Heather Fletcher

Munching on eggs and bacon, one of America 's newest billionaires


Well congratulations. Have you alerted Forbes so that they can put you
on the list? They have never heard of you.

detailed his plan to build petroleum plants that would help free the
country from dependence on foreign oil while creating fewer fumes than
those emanating from his Midtown diner meal.

"I've been thinking about this for years, and all we needed was a
customer to pull the trigger," said Bill Mook, CEO of Columbus,
Ohio-based Mok Industries and inventor of a coal-to-oil conversion
process that Indonesian businessmen recently paid him $13.6 billion to
build. "My goal, originally, was to make the U.S. dominant in oil
production again. My goal has always been to invest in the U.S. "


That's quite a coup for a company that has an estimated 2 employees and
$3M in annual sales according to the internet (probably from a common
source)
http://www.allbusiness.com/companypr...Llc/B8BB8AA719
5343124C99362382C25F75-1.html
http://www.hoovers.com/search/compan...03765-1.html?t
ype=company&term=Mok%20Industries,%20Llc
http://www.manta.com/c/mml8b50/mok-industries-llc


You may want to do a google search on yourself and your company every
now and again to see what people are saying about you.

--
David M. Palmer (formerly @clark.net, @ematic.com)
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Old December 4th 10, 11:12 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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David's highly prejudicial analysis of his flawed Google search is
really meaningless.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...ument/Coal.pdf


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Old December 5th 10, 08:54 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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On Dec 4, 6:15*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote:
David's highly prejudicial analysis of his flawed Google search is
really meaningless.


http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...www.bni.co.id/...


You know OTHER people can't read YOUR Google Docs, right, Mookie?

What YOU claim has been shown to be a bunch of puffed up bull****. *No
one was surprised.

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
*soul with evil."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Socrates


What? What the hell are you talking about Fred?

haha - you're a credit analyst now? lol.

Obviously not.

Clearly, you don't know a damn thing about project financing which is
based upon the value of a project. Project value is based on the
project's revenue discounted for the level of risk. The highest
discount rate is Venture Capital rates of return which is 40% per
year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_finance

So, for example, we have a desalination plant going in on a Caribbean
island. It costs $15.7 million and will be done in three years. The
system produces 1.25 million gallons per day from sunlight and
seawater - and sells it to hotels, cruise ships and others at an
average price of $20 per thousand gallons. The total cost of
operations is $800,000 per year. This is an EBITDA of $8.3 million
per year. Discounted at 6.5% this revenue has a net present value at
switch-on of $108.8 million.

As I mentioned the production cost for the 5.8 ha system is $15.7
million using a gas fired generator converted to hydrogen - producing
1.8 metric tons of hydrogen per day from 16.2 kL of DI water per day.
A 1.27 MW generator along with the waste heat desalinates 5,115 kL of
sea water per day.

http://www.idswater.com/Common/Paper...l ination.htm

The project takes four years to install and has the following payout;

INVEST RETURN

$1.57 $6.03
$3.14 $8.62
$4.71 $9.23
$6.28 $8.79

$15.70 $32.67

NPV $108.80
OWNERSHIP 30.03%

So, a 30% ownership of the revenue stream obtains a 40% annualized
rate of return for invested capital.

The balance is owned by Mok Energy which is worth over $70 million.
This is enough to pay for our supply chain

http://www.scribd.com/doc/43547498/Mok-Capabilities

Which supports other processes.

Consider a project I'm working on today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntly_Power_Station

A 1,000 MW power plant that is converted to burn hydrogen gas. This
requires 66.25 metric tons of hydrogen per hour. This is generated
from 595.25 kilo-liters of water per hour - displacing all carbon
fuels. Sold at $0.20 per kWh this is worth $200,000 per hour. In
addition the 410.75 tons of coal per hour stranded by the process is
converted to 2,793 barrels of syncrude per hour by the addition of
34.25 metric tons of hydrogen per hour. The value of the oil at $80
per barrel is worth $223,440 per hour. A total of $423,440 per
hour. This is an annual rate of $3.7 billion per year. This is
worth $48.4 billion when discounted at bank rate for the life time of
the revenue stream - assuming no price increases.

This project will take four years to bring to operation and cost $5
billion.

INVEST RETURN YR

$ 500 $ 1,920 YR1
$1,000 $ 2,744 YR2
$1,500 $ 2,940 YR3
$2,000 $ 2,800 YR4

$5,000. $10,404 TOTAL
$48,400 NPV
21.50% OWNERSHIP

Selling 21.5% of the revenue stream provides a 40% annualized rate of
return for investors.

The 78.5% retained revenue pays for expansion of the supply chain.

And the execution of a more interesting program of development that
expands our presence in the energy markets

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33089455/sunoco-2
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Old December 5th 10, 04:19 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Dec 5, 12:54*am, William Mook wrote:
On Dec 4, 6:15*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:

William Mook wrote:
David's highly prejudicial analysis of his flawed Google search is
really meaningless.


http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...www.bni.co.id/...


You know OTHER people can't read YOUR Google Docs, right, Mookie?


What YOU claim has been shown to be a bunch of puffed up bull****. *No
one was surprised.


--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
*soul with evil."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Socrates


What? * What the hell are you talking about Fred?

haha - you're a credit analyst now? *lol.

Obviously not.

Clearly, you don't know a damn thing about project financing which is
based upon the value of a project. *Project value is based on the
project's revenue discounted for the level of risk. *The highest
discount rate is Venture Capital rates of return which is 40% per
year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_finance

So, for example, we have a desalination plant going in on a Caribbean
island. *It costs $15.7 million and will be done in three years. *The
system produces 1.25 million gallons per day from sunlight and
seawater - and sells it to hotels, cruise ships and others at an
average price of $20 per thousand gallons. *The total cost of
operations is $800,000 per year. *This is an EBITDA of $8.3 million
per year. *Discounted at 6.5% this revenue has a net present value at
switch-on of $108.8 million.

As I mentioned the production cost for the 5.8 ha system is $15.7
million using a gas fired generator converted to hydrogen - producing
1.8 metric tons of hydrogen per day from 16.2 kL of DI water per day.
A 1.27 MW generator along with the waste heat desalinates 5,115 kL of
sea water per day.

http://www.idswater.com/Common/Paper...0Status%20of%2...

The project takes four years to install and has the following payout;

INVEST *RETURN

$1.57 * $6.03
$3.14 * $8.62
$4.71 * $9.23
$6.28 * $8.79

$15.70 *$32.67

NPV * * $108.80
OWNERSHIP * * * 30.03%

So, a 30% ownership of the revenue stream obtains a 40% annualized
rate of return for invested capital.

The balance is owned by Mok Energy which is worth over $70 million.
This is enough to pay for our supply chain

http://www.scribd.com/doc/43547498/Mok-Capabilities

Which supports other processes.

Consider a project I'm working on today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntly_Power_Station

A 1,000 MW power plant that is converted to burn hydrogen gas. * This
requires 66.25 metric tons of hydrogen per hour. *This is generated
from 595.25 kilo-liters of water per hour - displacing all carbon
fuels. *Sold at $0.20 per kWh this is worth $200,000 per hour. *In
addition the 410.75 tons of coal per hour stranded by the process is
converted to 2,793 barrels of syncrude per hour by the addition of
34.25 metric tons of hydrogen per hour. *The value of the oil at $80
per barrel is worth $223,440 per hour. * A total of $423,440 per
hour. *This is an annual rate of *$3.7 billion per year. *This is
worth $48.4 billion when discounted at bank rate for the life time of
the revenue stream - assuming no price increases.

This project will take four years to bring to operation and cost $5
billion.

INVEST * RETURN YR

$ * 500 $ *1,920 *YR1
$1,000 *$ *2,744 *YR2
$1,500 *$ *2,940 *YR3
$2,000 *$ *2,800 *YR4

$5,000. $10,404 *TOTAL
* * * * * * * * $48,400 *NPV
* * * * * * * * 21.50% *OWNERSHIP

Selling *21.5% of the revenue stream provides a 40% annualized rate of
return for investors.

The 78.5% retained revenue pays for expansion of the supply chain.

And the execution of a more interesting program of development that
expands our presence in the energy markets

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33089455/sunoco-2


Fred is a free agent hired by those you claim don't exist, in order to
topic/author stalk and bash for all their mainstream status-quo is
worth.

If Fred were anymore ZNR, he'd be Hitler.

~ BG
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Old December 5th 10, 04:22 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Dec 4, 12:44*pm, "David M. Palmer" wrote:
In article
,

William Mook wrote:
Even while the NYT has written major articles about minor inventions
of mine;
They have ignored what I consider more important stories, like this
one which was pulled;


Just because you hire Heather Fletcher of Target Marketing
http://www.targetmarketingmag.com/docs/editstaff
to write an advertising puff-piece doesn't mean that the NYT "pulled
the story" when it didn't reprint it verbatim.

AMERICAN MAKES OIL FOR OPEC


By Heather Fletcher


Munching on eggs and bacon, one of America 's newest billionaires


Well congratulations. *Have you alerted Forbes so that they can put you
on the list? *They have never heard of you.

detailed his plan to build petroleum plants that would help free the
country from dependence on foreign oil while creating fewer fumes than
those emanating from his Midtown diner meal.


"I've been thinking about this for years, and all we needed was a
customer to pull the trigger," said Bill Mook, CEO of Columbus,
Ohio-based Mok Industries and inventor of a coal-to-oil conversion
process that Indonesian businessmen recently paid him $13.6 billion to
build. "My goal, originally, was to make the U.S. dominant in oil
production again. My goal has always been to invest in the U.S. "


That's quite a coup for a company that has an estimated 2 employees and
$3M in annual sales according to the internet (probably from a common
source)
http://www.allbusiness.com/companypr...Llc/B8BB8AA719
5343124C99362382C25F75-1.html
http://www.hoovers.com/search/compan...03765-1.html?t
ype=company&term=Mok%20Industries,%20Llc
http://www.manta.com/c/mml8b50/mok-industries-llc

You may want to do a google search on yourself and your company every
now and again to see what people are saying about you.

--
David M. Palmer (formerly @clark.net, @ematic.com)


Mook has many names and plays along with the offshore tax avoidance
game, so it's always hard to tell where the truth begins and ends,
just like with religion, politics and science.

~ BG
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Old December 5th 10, 04:27 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Dec 4, 3:15*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote:
David's highly prejudicial analysis of his flawed Google search is
really meaningless.


http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...www.bni.co.id/...


You know OTHER people can't read YOUR Google Docs, right, Mookie?

What YOU claim has been shown to be a bunch of puffed up bull****. *No
one was surprised.

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
*soul with evil."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Socrates


I looked, and those pages are very readable. It must be your voodoo
ZNR internet provider that's blocking or filtering out whatever
contains too much truth.

~ BG
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Old December 5th 10, 06:52 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 5, 12:28*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:

Fred is a free agent hired by those you claim don't exist, in order to
topic/author stalk and bash for all their mainstream status-quo is
worth.


The Guthball is a delusional phuquewit.



If Fred were anymore ZNR, he'd be Hitler.


If there WERE a 'ZNR', you'd be sane. *You're not.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


fred how do you get internet access from a prison? or did they move
you to a mental hospital?

either way your a nutcase.
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Old December 5th 10, 09:08 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Dec 5, 9:28*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:

Fred is a free agent hired by those you claim don't exist, in order to
topic/author stalk and bash for all their mainstream status-quo is
worth.


The Guthball is a delusional phuquewit.



If Fred were anymore ZNR, he'd be Hitler.


If there WERE a 'ZNR', you'd be sane. *You're not.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


So you still can't get it up. Doesn't that mean you should be put out
to pasture?

~ BG
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Old December 5th 10, 09:11 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 5, 10:52*am, " wrote:
On Dec 5, 12:28*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:



Brad Guth wrote:


Fred is a free agent hired by those you claim don't exist, in order to
topic/author stalk and bash for all their mainstream status-quo is
worth.


The Guthball is a delusional phuquewit.


If Fred were anymore ZNR, he'd be Hitler.


If there WERE a 'ZNR', you'd be sane. *You're not.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


fred how do you get internet access from a prison? or did they move
you to a mental hospital?

either way your a nutcase.


Without internet access and those of us for him to topic/author stalk
and bash, they'd have to double his medication dosage, and that could
be lethal..

~ BG
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Old December 6th 10, 01:07 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Dec 5, 7:52*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 5, 10:52 am, " wrote:
On Dec 5, 12:28 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:


Brad Guth wrote:


Fred is a free agent hired by those you claim don't exist, in order to
topic/author stalk and bash for all their mainstream status-quo is
worth.


The Guthball is a delusional phuquewit.


If Fred were anymore ZNR, he'd be Hitler.


If there WERE a 'ZNR', you'd be sane. You're not.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine


fred how do you get internet access from a prison? or did they move
you to a mental hospital?


either way your a nutcase.


Without internet access and those of us for him to topic/author stalk
and bash, they'd have to double his medication dosage, and that could
be lethal..


Nah. *Double zero is still zero. *Everyone is not taking the levels of
psychotropic drugs that you and Mr Haller apparently are.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


so does the insane asylum your secured in provide good drugs?
 




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