God or the Big Bang

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caz

There is a difference?

Intelligent design or happy accident would you be able to tell the
difference? And would it matter?

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:10:06 +0100, "caz" wrote:

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I'll go with GOD.

"Dave Fouchey" wrote in message
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There is a difference?

Intelligent design or happy accident would you be able to tell the
difference? And would it matter?


Yes there is. If you believe in God you believe in the Bible. In the Bible
all things were created by God just simply speaking in six literal days. You
can't mix evolution with the Bible. You either believe in God and six
literal days or you don't believe in any god whatsoever and believe in
evolution or you believe is some other religion.

I don't believe in any god and think evolution is the best possible theory
with our current small understanding of science.



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On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:29:57 -0400, "GO VOLS!"
wrote:

Yes there is. If you believe in God you believe in the Bible. In the Bible
all things were created by God just simply speaking in six literal days. You
can't mix evolution with the Bible.

Not so. For one thing, the Hebrew word commonly translated as "day"
can apparently also be translated as "epoch", which allows Creation to
take a sensible amount of time, and indeed the official position of
the Vatican is that "Let there be light" refers to the Big Bang.

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(Russell Wallace) wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:29:57 -0400, "GO VOLS!"
wrote:

Yes there is. If you believe in God you believe in the Bible. In the Bible
all things were created by God just simply speaking in six literal days. You
can't mix evolution with the Bible.

Not so. For one thing, the Hebrew word commonly translated as "day"
can apparently also be translated as "epoch", which allows Creation to
take a sensible amount of time, and indeed the official position of
the Vatican is that "Let there be light" refers to the Big Bang.

Be sure you don't get caught gathering firewood during that 7th "epoch."

(Russell Wallace) wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:29:57 -0400, "GO VOLS!"
wrote:

... the official position of
the Vatican is that "Let there be light" refers to the Big Bang.

Is this so? Can you provide documentation (preferably with a nihil
obstat attached)?

A cursory search through the Vatican Web site, the NCCB/USCC Web site,
and the official _Catechism_ turned up nothing--and i would have been
surprised had i found any definitive pronouncement. The NCCB/USCC Web
site mentions the Big Bang, but without ruling on its truthfulness.
The _Catechism_ takes the attitude of let the scientists be
scientists, without mentioning any specific theory.

The best that i'm aware of is that the Church doesn't consider the Big
Bang to be in conflict with "Let there be light." That's not to say
that the Church endorses this interpretation. IMHO, that would be
same mistake that the Church authorities made with Galileo and
Bruno--a mistake that i think the Magisterium has learned from. Since
all scientific theory is open to review, and no scientific theory is
advanced by authority, it wouldn't make sense for the Church to rule
on this as a theological matter.


Clear skies!

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(Cousin Ricky) wrote in message . com...
(Russell Wallace) wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:29:57 -0400, "GO VOLS!"
wrote:

... the official position of
the Vatican is that "Let there be light" refers to the Big Bang.

OOOPS! Shawn did *not* write the preceding. My sincere apology for
the misattribution.


Clear skies!

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On 8 Sep 2003 14:27:22 -0700, (Cousin Ricky)
wrote:

Is this so? Can you provide documentation (preferably with a nihil
obstat attached)?

Sorry, nope, I'm not a theologian, just passing on what I've been
told. (I don't even know what a nihil obstat is )

The best that i'm aware of is that the Church doesn't consider the Big
Bang to be in conflict with "Let there be light."

Fair enough - this would still mean that as far as the official
position is concerned, it's not either-or, which was my main point.

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If you believe in God you believe in the Bible.

No, not necessarily true. One can believe in God without believing the Bible
is the literal truth; it may be that one believes both in God and the literal
truth of the Bible, but this doesn't follow from necessity. For the record,
I'm agnostic, leaning towards no God if I had to make a guess... the scientist
in me, though, says that since I can't prove there's no God, I can't know
there's no God.