Magnetic aka Gorelik aka Doctor Dark Energy makes the Register

On Dec 8, 12:15*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 7, 1:25*pm, PD wrote:



On Dec 7, 2:38*pm, BradGuth wrote:

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On Dec 7, 1:54*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 7, 10:41*am, PD wrote:

On Dec 7, 12:25*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 7, 9:24*am, PD wrote:

On Dec 7, 10:59*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 7, 7:47*am, PD wrote:

On Dec 6, 5:14*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 6, 10:02*am, "Dr Ivan D. Reid" wrote:

On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:37:28 -0800 (PST), BradGuth
*wrote in :

On Dec 6, 8:38*am, "Dr Ivan D. Reid" wrote:
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 04:29:27 -0800 (PST), Magnetic
*wrote in :
December, 6, 2009. 06.30 GMT.
Both beams have four bunches of protons.
* * * * You keep repeating that. *Do you know what it _means_?
He seems to know and/or realize more than most of us.

* * * * No, he doesn't. *He just keeps on parroting snippets he sees on
planning sites with no understanding, no insight.

What's his motive (other than saving Earth)?

* * * * His motive is to prove he's smarter than the rest of us; unfortunately
all he's done so far is to show that he's an ignorant ****wit.
Dame Edna ...and I mean that in the nicest possible way, possums... /DE

--
Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ *CMS Collaboration,
Brunel University. * ] * *Room 40-1-B12, CERN
* * * * KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

How interesting. *How much did you teach Einstein and others as smart
or smarter than?

How do we know that new laws of physics can't apply?

How do we know the LHC can't possibly produce a single double-mass
proton?

*~ BG

How do we know that the sun won't spontaneously collapse in the next
15 minutes due to unknown physics processes?

So, you favor the ends always justify the means. *Does this represent
that you'd support Hitler or any other bipolar nutjob that comes
along?

Not at all. What justifiable end would Hitler or some other bipolar
nutjob be a permissible means to?

Global domination, just like the Zionist Nazis wanted. *Don't you want
global domination in your likeness? (your actions certainly suggest
that you want nothing less than absolute obedience as either minions
or Einsteins, and nothing in between)

It seems all that "Magnetic" is aggressively pointing out is that
there are certain limits within reasonable physics that shouldn't be
ignored or taken lightly.

Nor was it taken lightly. The calculations on the likelihood of a
disaster scenario were in fact calculated by physicists, and they were
incredibly, incredibly small. Gorelik spewed some "calculated"
likelihoods of disaster that were dramatically larger, but declined to
show the calculations that led to them. What calculations he HAS shown
are demonstrably wrong.

And you gave him those supposedly obvious and well established
corrections in a positive/constructive format?

He cites them himself on his own web page!
Not all communication happens here.

So, you're just a devout critic and not ever a teacher?

There is no point in trying to teach someone with foam on his lips.
If it is YOU that wants to be taught, then the simplest thing for you
to do is to make a new thread on this newsgroup, perhaps with the
title, "What calculations have been done that show the LHC is safe?"

Why of course, we can get all the necessary LHC failsafe data from
yourself and rabbi Saul Levy. *Why the hell didn't "Magnetic" think of
that?

I don't know WHY he didn't think of it. The calculations have been
published. You can get it too.

Now, you are asking the question, "Well, what if something COMPLETELY
UNKNOWN is about to happen that would change those likelihoods?" Well,
if they're completely unknown, then you can't calculate them, can
you?

Except that "Magnetic" was offering his honest what-if versions or
interpretations that you and others of your all-knowing kind summarily
kicked in the teeth and butt at the same time.

I disagree that they were honest. He was quoting probabilities of
disaster. He claimed that those quoted probabilities were justifiable
by calculations. He has yet to produce a justifying calculation..
Quoting a probability to give the false impression that it has been
supported by calculations when this is not the case is deception, and
that is dishonest. His actions are identical to those of fear-mongers
and propagandists, who don't care what they say as long as the words
have the desired effect, which in this case is to shut down a machine
he is afraid of. Those tactics are not only dishonest but they are
worth being held up for exposure as the fraud they are.

And you constructively pointed all of this out, without being a Usenet/
newsgroup bully?

I certainly have asked politely more than a half-dozen times for his
calculations, yes.
When it became obvious that he was a fraud, then I see no reason for
continued politeness, do you?

Yes, because you have nothing invested and "Magnetic" has a
considerable amount invested", so you had nothing whatsoever to lose
and everything to gain.

Just because an individual has skewed math or is lacking information
is not grounds for terminating or trashing such independent research.

He doesn't have skewed math. He is LYING about having justified his
concerns with calculations.

He doesn't seem to agree with that, not even half way.

Nor do you expect a lying ranter to agree with it. When was the last
time you encountered a lying ranter who said, "Whoops, I guess your
right. My numbers don't make any sense. I'll be quiet now."

If you were around when the not-so-clever Einstein started out,
obviously it would have been your name and not his that anyone
remembered.

Neither can you calculate the likelihood that the very next person we
inject with a smallpox vaccine won't produce a mutation that will be
both virulent and 100% deadly, due to some completely unknown process.
Nor can you calculate the likelihood that the sun will collapse in the
next few days due to some completely unknown process. Nor can you
calculate the likelihood that the laser in your CD drive won't
initiate a black hole where you are sitting due to some completely
unknown process. Does this mean that we should sit on our hands and do
nothing, due to the possibility of completely unknown processes?

Except that's not at all what "Magnetic" had suggested. *What he
suggested and ranted about was pertaining to using extreme caution
above a specified level of collision energy, because of a number of
what-ifs or unknowns, that if such LHC events were bad could become
seriously bad news for all of us.

Then by that rule, as I've pointed out, we should be using "extreme
caution" in EVERYTHING we do, including inserting a CD in our computer
CD-drive, because of a number of what-ifs or unknowns that could
become seriously bad news for all of us.

That's rather silly, but that's also you and your all or nothing
mindset (pretty much exactly like William Mook).

Why is it silly? Where is the line for you about what should be
worried about and what should not?

Deductive formulated ideas are where it all starts. *With yourself
there apparently are no such new or revisable ideas (once again,
exactly like William Mook and most every other brown-nosed mindset
clown of the mainstream status quo).

If you are going to say, "Well, it's just the physicists that do
spooky things that are worth worrying about," then I'd ask YOU to
justify THAT remark.

Physicists that do spooky things on their own taxable nickle, and well
enough out of harms way to others that might have second thoughts, is
perfectly fine and dandy by my standards.

So do scientists of all disciplines, not to mention just regular
industry.
You probably knew, for example, that H1N1 originated in a pig farm in
the southeastern U.S. Now, let's compare

...
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density.
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...levitation.jpg


This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.

The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.

-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

On Dec 9, 1:46*am, Magnetic wrote:
..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density.
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

That's pretty grim. Let us hope your math is in error.


This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.

I think that's not likely. You may want to adjust that outcome for
those much higher collision energies yet to come.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Frog_diamagn...

This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.

The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.

Sounds like a good movie plot.


-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

You could eventually be right, though perhaps for now we're safe until
those double-mass protons start showing up.

~ BG

On Dec 9, 9:51*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 9, 1:46*am, Magnetic wrote:

..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density.
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

That's pretty grim. *Let us hope your math is in error.



This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.

I think that's not likely. *You may want to adjust that outcome for
those much higher collision energies yet to come.







http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Frog_diamagn...

This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.

The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.

Sounds like a good movie plot.







-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

You could eventually be right, though perhaps for now we're safe until
those double-mass protons start showing up.

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

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Historically, the more they smash things up,
the more pieces they find.
So, I anticipate they will find yet more pieces.

Whether this will finally show them that you
can't learn everything by smashing things,
I don't know.

john

BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 9, 1:46 am, Magnetic wrote:
..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density.
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

That's pretty grim. Let us hope your math is in error.

And what's the chances of that eh?


--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On Dec 9, 9:51*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 9, 1:46*am, Magnetic wrote:

..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density.
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

That's pretty grim. *Let us hope your math is in error.


It is.



This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.

And if this doesn't happen, is this an indication that the
calculations were wrong?


I think that's not likely. *You may want to adjust that outcome for
those much higher collision energies yet to come.





http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Frog_diamagn...

This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.

The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.

Sounds like a good movie plot.





-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

You could eventually be right, though perhaps for now we're safe until
those double-mass protons start showing up.

*~ BG

On Dec 9, 8:24*am, john wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:51*am, BradGuth wrote:



On Dec 9, 1:46*am, Magnetic wrote:

..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density.
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

That's pretty grim. *Let us hope your math is in error.

This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.

I think that's not likely. *You may want to adjust that outcome for
those much higher collision energies yet to come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Frog_diamagn....

This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.

The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.

Sounds like a good movie plot.

-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

You could eventually be right, though perhaps for now we're safe until
those double-mass protons start showing up.

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

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- Show quoted text -

Historically, the more they smash things up,
the more pieces they find.
So, I anticipate they will find yet more pieces.

Whether this will finally show them that you
can't learn everything by smashing things,
I don't know.

john

Obviously the weak force of gravity, that's still at best
misunderstood, is no match for those much stronger atomic and
subatomic forces. For all we know, electrons and positrons are true
singularities, and whatever makes up quarks is even more singular and
magnetic binding than even the LHC can smash apart.

However, at 1+ Tv is where those items could become forced as to unify
into new and much heavier elements, as even tougher singularities with
a mind of their own.

~ BG

On Dec 9, 12:56*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:24*am, john wrote:





On Dec 9, 9:51*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 9, 1:46*am, Magnetic wrote:

..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density..
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

That's pretty grim. *Let us hope your math is in error.

This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.

I think that's not likely. *You may want to adjust that outcome for
those much higher collision energies yet to come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Frog_diamagn...

This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.

The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.

Sounds like a good movie plot.

-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

You could eventually be right, though perhaps for now we're safe until
those double-mass protons start showing up.

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Historically, the more they smash things up,
the more pieces they find.
So, I anticipate they will find yet more pieces.

Whether this will finally show them that you
can't learn everything by smashing things,
I don't know.

john

Obviously the weak force of gravity, that's still at best
misunderstood, is no match for those much stronger atomic and
subatomic forces. *For all we know, electrons and positrons are true
singularities, and whatever makes up quarks is even more singular and
magnetic binding than even the LHC can smash apart.

However, at 1+ Tv is where those items could become forced as to unify
into new and much heavier elements, as even tougher singularities with
a mind of their own.

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, no! An even tougher singularity with a mind of its own!

On Dec 9, 8:34*am, PD wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:51*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 9, 1:46*am, Magnetic wrote:

..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density.
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

That's pretty grim. *Let us hope your math is in error.

It is.



This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.

And if this doesn't happen, is this an indication that the
calculations were wrong?



I think that's not likely. *You may want to adjust that outcome for
those much higher collision energies yet to come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Frog_diamagn....

This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.

The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.

Sounds like a good movie plot.

-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

You could eventually be right, though perhaps for now we're safe until
those double-mass protons start showing up.

*~ BG

Experimental physics is often wrong, especially when researching at
the edge of unknowns.

Adjustments on how LHC collides such matter could make or break. If
they eventually manage to make a new particle like my double-mass
proton with a long half-life, then what?

~ BG

BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:34 am, PD wrote:
On Dec 9, 9:51 am, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 9, 1:46 am, Magnetic wrote:
..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density.
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.
That's pretty grim. Let us hope your math is in error.
It is.



This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.
And if this doesn't happen, is this an indication that the
calculations were wrong?



I think that's not likely. You may want to adjust that outcome for
those much higher collision energies yet to come.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Frog_diamagn...
This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.
The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.
Sounds like a good movie plot.
-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.
It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.
If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.
CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.
Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.
Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg
Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.
People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.
You could eventually be right, though perhaps for now we're safe until
those double-mass protons start showing up.
~ BG

Experimental physics is often wrong, especially when researching at
the edge of unknowns.

Adjustments on how LHC collides such matter could make or break. If
they eventually manage to make a new particle like my double-mass
proton with a long half-life, then what?

~ BG

Whoever does it wins the Nobel Prize for breaking the laws of physics.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show

On Dec 9, 1:03*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 9, 8:34*am, PD wrote:



On Dec 9, 9:51*am, BradGuth wrote:

On Dec 9, 1:46*am, Magnetic wrote:

..
December 9, 2009. Today, about midnight, CERN plans to implement a
collision with the energy of 0.45 TeV per proton under high density..
Two colliding beams will contain four bunch; each of which will
contain 20 billion protons. If this experiment will be carried out
within a few hours, then I give 10% probability that the microscopic
magnetic holes will be created. The most likely, the time of growth of
magnetic holes till the consumption of the whole Earth is about one
day.

That's pretty grim. *Let us hope your math is in error.

It is.

This means that tomorrow night the magnetic field of growing magnetic
hole will push us all to the equator of the Earth in a single high
ocean wave. From there we will start into space, being mixed with mud
and with all the water of the whole planet.

And if this doesn't happen, is this an indication that the
calculations were wrong?

I think that's not likely. *You may want to adjust that outcome for
those much higher collision energies yet to come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b/Frog_diamagn...

This frog levitates (hanging in the air) in a magnetic field with
induction of 16 teslas, because of the diamagnetism of water, and, as
you know, living beings are composed mainly of water.

The magnetic field will accelerate us so that we will overtake
Voyagers. Around us the water will turn into frozen dirty foam of very
low density. The solar wind will give these new formed comets a
further acceleration. An hour later the comets will be hit by wreckage
of the crust of exploded Earth and by a powerful gamma radiation.
After a few years (thousands of years) we will be overtaken by the
shock wave from exploded Sun. Well, after a millions of years, we
could reach to the closest star systems to sow where our viruses, DNA
and the seeds of poplars, daisies, etc.

Sounds like a good movie plot.

-------------------
If magnetic moment of x-boson equal to magnetic moment of proton this
energy is sufficient to create the microscopic magnetic hole.

It is needed from 1000 seconds to 1000 days to destroy the Earth.
Let’s wait and see.

If we’ll survive now, CERN will add the quantity of bunches per beam
and will raise the energy of collisions.

CERN started the experiment despite the courts and our appeals. CERN
is terrorist organization.

Most of physicists are coward, or stupid, or smug, not able to
understand where this experiment will lead us.
----------------
One of the authors of documents about the safety of LHC, Igor Tkachev,
is 100% confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
black hole.
I am 95 % confident that at the center of our Galaxy there is a huge
magnetic hole. I think that magnetic hole, besides the magnetic field,
has axial-symmetric gravity field, stretching mostly in the plane of
our Galaxy. This explains the huge velocities of peripheral stars of
our Galaxy. In other words, - there is no any dark matter in our
Universe. Its role is performed by magnetic holes. There is no any
dark energy in our Ever Young Universe. Its role is performed by
cosmic background radiation. Hubble constant is not the parameter of
Universe expansion, but the angular frequency of 4-d rotation of
Universe. 13.34 billion years is not the age of Universe, but the time
of one full 4-d rotation of Ever Young Universe. Energy sources of
stars in Ever Young Universe are different from the sources in Big
Bang Universe. Our energy sources can be described by corrected
formula of Hawking. This formula must contain the square root from
Dirac’s big number. This formula describes the luminosity of stars,
but not the black holes evaporation. In our model there are no black
holes, but there can be extremely rapid gravity collapses, ending by
disappearance of gravity funnel and huge gamma-burst. Gravity collapse
is the final part of magnetic collapse if the mass of the magnetic
hole is sufficient and if its configuration is correspondent.

Astronomers, show me, please, black holes.
No?
But, I can to show you the picturesque magnetic hole.
Here it is:http://darkenergy.narod.ru/sn1987.jpg

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses:
gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-
positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes,
the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can
build powerful colliders.

People, please, stop powerful colliders immediately.
Collisions with energy, more than 100 GeV must be banned by
international law, otherwise our Solar system will look like SN
1987A.

You could eventually be right, though perhaps for now we're safe until
those double-mass protons start showing up.

*~ BG

Experimental physics is often wrong, especially when researching at
the edge of unknowns.

So is experimental biology, experimental chemistry, experimental
science in general.
Fear of making a mistake would lead to instant paralysis.
There is no reason to be *especially* afraid of physicists, except by
dint of personal intimidation or unnatural bias.

Adjustments on how LHC collides such matter could make or break. *If
they eventually manage to make a new particle like my double-mass
proton with a long half-life, then what?

What if it creates an armor-covered rabid elephant that can run at 200
mph, and it bites everyone in Europe within a week?

You see, Mitch, it's important to include with wild what-ifs some
rational calculation of the likelihood of these so-called disaster
scenarios. You think a double-mass proton with a long half life is
more likely than a rabid elephant, but you haven't produced any
calculations that makes it clear that it IS more likely.

PD