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Continued from part 1... Open your favorite astronomy program. As always, I use Astrolog, so all examples given refer to JPL ephemeris DE-406 with Abramov's expanded version of fixstars.ast provided by S. Moshier using the Astronomical Almanach. All data is accurate to within several milliarcseconds, which is vastly better accuracy than the plus or minus half a degree or thirty arcminutes we can achieve with an extended pinky finger at arm's length measuring one arcdegree...twice the apparent diameter of a full Moon. Three closed middle fingers spans five degrees, or the whole hand equals about ten degrees. You can calibrate simple hand measurements by memorizing bright "marking" stars near the ecliptic by their approximate longitude on the caelestial zodiac. The constellations and their associated myths help us to easily locate and identify stars as we become familiar with their appearances and their order in the sky. This is where Carte du Ciel or SkyMap comes in handy, since they depict the stars and planets graphically, and include millions more objects and dozens of unabridged catalogues for the astronomer. However, only Astrolog can chart the marking stars and planets by their zodiacal, constellational coordinates as used by ancient stargazers for tracking the planets. The complete list of almost 1000 stars is posted on my website, but here's an abbreviated list for convenient reference with the values rounded off to whole degrees and favoring brighter stars in the northern hemisphere. Remember the goal is not to memorize every star but is to estimate a planet's position at its heliacal rising, setting, opposition and other repeating synodic phases against the fixed background of this caelestial sphe Name Longit. Lat. Bayer Al Pherg : 2 Ari + 5 etPsc Sheratan : 9 Ari + 8 beAri Caph : 10 Ari +51 beCas Hamal : 13 Ari +10 alAri Shedir : 13 Ari +47 alCas Cih : 19 Ari +49 gaCas Ruchbah : 23 Ari +46 deCas Segin : 0 Tau +48 epCas Algol : 1 Tau +22 bePer Alcyone : 5 Tau + 4 etTau Mirphak : 7 Tau +30 alPer Aldebaran : 15 Tau - 5 alTau Rigel : 22 Tau -31 beOri Bellatrix : 26 Tau -17 gaOri Capella : 27 Tau +23 alAur Mintaka : 28 Tau -23 deOri Alnilam : 29 Tau -25 epOri Alnitak : 0 Gem -25 zeOri Saiph : 2 Gem -33 kaOri Polaris : 4 Gem +66 alUMi Betelgeuse: 4 Gem -16 alOri Menkalinan: 5 Gem +21 beAur Alhena : 14 Gem - 7 gaGem Sirius : 19 Gem -40 alCMa Castor : 25 Gem +10 alGem Pollux : 28 Gem + 7 beGem Procyon : 1 Can -16 alCMi Asellus Au: 14 Can + 0 deCnc Kochab : 19 Can +73 beUMi Dubhe : 20 Can +50 alUMa Subra : 29 Can - 4 omiLeo Alphard : 2 Leo -22 alHya Algieba : 5 Leo + 9 ga1Leo Regulus : 5 Leo + 0 alLeo Thuban : 13 Leo +66 alDra Dhur : 17 Leo +14 deLeo Denebola : 27 Leo +12 beLeo Vindemiatr: 15 Vir +16 epVir Spica : 29 Vir - 2 alVir Arcturus : 29 Vir +31 alBoo Menkent : 18 Lib -22 thCen Zubenelgen: 20 Lib + 0 al2Lib Dschubba : 8 Sco - 2 deSco Antares : 15 Sco - 5 alSco Rastaban : 17 Sco +75 beDra : 21 Sco -12 epSco Sabik : 23 Sco + 7 etOph Rasalhague: 28 Sco +36 alOph Sargas : 1 Sag -20 thSco Gal.Center: 2 Sag - 6 SgrA* Eltanin : 3 Sag +75 gaDra Sacred T 5 Sag + 0 ----- Solar Apex: 7 Sag +53 HerA* Kaus Austr: 10 Sag -11 epSgr Nunki : 18 Sag - 3 siSgr Vega : 21 Sag +62 alLyr Altair : 7 Cap +29 alAql Dabih : 9 Cap + 5 beCap Sadr : 0 Aqu +57 gaCyg Enif : 7 Aqu +22 epPeg Fomalhaut : 9 Aqu -21 alPsA Deneb : 11 Aqu +60 alCyg Markab : 29 Aqu +19 alPeg Scheat : 5 Pis +31 bePeg Algenib : 14 Pis +13 gaPeg Alpheratz : 20 Pis +26 alAnd Since we're beginning with Saturn, set restrictions in Astrolog to restrict all then uncheck only the Sun and Saturn. Set the date & time to December 31, 2003 12 UT, and you'll see Saturn at opposition in 15 Gemini. This is just one "pinky finger" in longitude from Alhena at 14 Gemini. With the Sun in 15 Sagittarius, then Saturn will be at southing about midnight LAT January 1, 2004. - From this we can estimate Saturn's next opposition, by adding 378 days, which is January 13, 2005. But Saturn is a little slow in getting there, reaching opposition the next day January 14, in 29 Gemini. The oppositions, which we'll skip for Jupiter and Mars, prove to us the planets Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, are orbiting the Sun beyond Earth's orbit, and these orbits are predictable, especially over long-term observations. As with Saturn, by adding 3781 days to its synodic phase, we arrive at Saturn's tenth opposition counting from January 1 2004, which is May 9, 2014, again missing exactitude by only one or two days, due to Saturn's moderate eccentricity and about 2.5 degrees inclination to the ecliptic. For long-term predictions, the ancient Babylonians noticed that 9 sidereal orbits of Saturn coincided with around 256 synodic periods and 265 tropical years speaking in round numbers. Add 265 years to January 1, 2004 and we have January 1, 2269. Sure enough, there's Saturn near opposition in 14 Gemini directly above Alhena and just two days from true opposition January 3, 2269, showing that the Babylonians knew what they were talking about two thousand years before Christ. It's no mystery, but is readily observable, predictable and reproducible in the laboratory of the night sky, like heliacal risings. The predawn risings of stars and planets have been the carefully watched and predicted since men could mark a cave wall with a piece of coal, blood or whatever else has handy. Primitive stone observatories emerged which had much greater longevity, and showed the teamwork of prehistoric stargazers, and the importance they placed on the ephemeris of the Sun, Moon & Stars to the Earth. Naturally, the Sun is the single most important object visible in the Earth's sky. Man has watched the Sun as it rises and sets every day since humankind has walked the Earth. All life forms follow the diurnal circadian rhythm of Earth's daily rotation in one way or another. Hence the Sun formed the fundamental basis of tracking time from the beginning of every civilization that has come and gone, from primitive tribes of early hominids to more advanced human cultures, most of which are too distant in the past for their records to have survived. More recently, the Egyptians, Babylonians, Mayans, and others around the post-deluvian world are close enough in time for many their records to be extant, mostly in bits and pieces, some fairly intact, like the pyramids. In mans present time, secular-religious archaeologists prefer to believe that civilization is basically under 7000 years old worldwide, due to their historical ties to the Roman church, and continued use of the language in their laws and their sciences. This is not to blame the ancient translation of the bible, the Vulgate, but has been the politics of religion, as men serve mammon. After all the bible predicted this would happen, so it isn't surprising that the schism of religious-apostasy should continue to rule the minds of men. Yet the Moon & Stars have continued to illuminate the night sky for geological aeons and shall continue to do so for aeons. So it is that Saturn has been rising and setting helia- cally in very predictable intervals and shall continue to do so for many long ages to come. Since the initial date and time for observation of Saturn before sunrise will vary, we know the Sun needs to be some 18 degrees below the horizon to ensure visibility of any brighter star or planet from moderate latitude any time of year, weather permitting. But in fixed locations, i.e. where ancient and antediluvian population centers flourished, the heliacal risings of stars and planets were readily estimated to within a few days time and by the seasons of the year, tied directly to planting, harvesting and every single aspect of their lives, thus astrology was the natural result of watching and predicting when the stars and planets would rise and set, by knowing where the planets are day and night. This knowledge was made by simple observation, counting days, months and years between cycles and phases. When Saturn rose heliacally, it was always about 378 days give or take a day or two since the last time it was observed to rise heliacally. With each consecutive heliacal rising of Saturn, fixed stars in the background showed that Saturn moves about 13 degrees in keeping with the Sun's progress relative to the stars some 13 days later each year--again, give or take a day or two, talking about long-term averages rounded off to integer days since the whole premise is to show that ancient stargazers could and did see that the planets clearly orbit the Sun, and that they could readily observe and recognize the sidereal and synodic orbits by watching the heliacal risings of planets and stars. The accuracy of the ancient ephemeris increased commensurate with continued calibration by observation of heliacal phenomena over the centuries and millennia of that civilization from its rise until its fall. The quality of long-lost very ancient ephemeredes is known by mans inherent ability as a man to see the night sky and to notice patterns and repetition in nature. These are perfectly natural talents that all people are born with--at least most people are. Once again, this comes down to how much credit we give prehistoric man. There are anthropologists who have recognized that early man was smarter than modern day, secular-religious science had theretofore acknowledged. Likewise the recognition that at least semi-intelligent hominids have been here many millions of years earlier than the orthodoxy used to believe albeit some still cling to their hopelessly obsolete superstitions about the antiquity of man, etc, it is clear that man and man-like sentient beings have roamed the Earth for aeons. One might reasonably argue that dolphins or whales are smart enough to notice the planets and stars rising and setting, and to count the days and years of these events. Elephants are known to remember things very well. At a minimum, we can safely say that early man was intelligent enough to count the days, months or years of observable heliacal phenomena and we see that such observable events are predictable, simply counting these events by days, months and years. __________________________________________________ ____ I think this is what makes modern astronomers angry at those of us who have realized that planetary motion is not nearly as mysterious as they'd like you to believe. __________________________________________________ ____ The Egyptians, Babylonians and Mayans showed admirable levels of sophistication in their astronomical records and their ability to predict very long-term periodical events, the great year of precession being among these, since the Earth's axis of rotation visibly gyrates one degree against the fixed stars about every 26000 solar days, which is about 71 tropical years, two months and nine days, therearound. This is according to the Mayan astronomers, whose astronomical skills were comparable to those of the Babylonians. Both left records proving that they could see the night sky, and that they could accurately count and predict periodic planetary orbits against the starry background of the caelestial sphere. As in this case, we *see* Saturn observably progresses about twelve degrees every year against the stars seen from Earth. Every twenty-nine and a half years, Saturn goes full circle against the stars, and over centuries of observation we see that Saturn circles the Sun nine times every two hundred sixty-five years--meaning that Saturn advances closer to twelve and a quarter degrees longitude per year thereby making short-term estimates of Saturn's motion a little more accurate and reliable than our round number of twelve degrees per year. Thus we may safely predict that Saturn will have moved east by closer to forty-nine degrees every four years, plus our ephemeris for Saturn has improved significantly by repeated observation and simple mathematical deduction. We'll notice Saturn's thirteen degree advance at times of entering or leaving retrograde motion and that this retrograde lasts for about one hundred thirty-eight or so days centered on inferior conjunction or opposition to the Sun. Every three hundred seventy-eight days, we see these motions repeat, when Saturn appears to stand still in the sky then begin to move backwards for some four and a half months before standing still again and returning to normal motion. Every time we see it again, about 378 days have passed and Saturn is approximately 13 sidereal degrees from where it was last time around. Carte du Ciel is especially useful for animating these apparent synodic motions against the background of the stars, since you can fine-tune increments down to days, hours and minutes, and mark the locations with "finder circles" to readily observe a planet's motion relative to the stars & constellation figures, and to the other planets. Although the accuracy of the ephemeris is not very reliable beyond plus or minus four thousand years, especially for the Moon, you can view distant dates to circa 20,000 years BC / AD. While tropical seasons can be way off the mark the apparent motion of a planet to the stars may not be far off the mark for say, 9000 BC. You just won't know the season, or the Moon's position at such a distant date, but other planets are probably within a couple of degrees of where they actually were. Not that this matters much, since you are simply using the present-day ephemeris to view synodic and sidereal motion of the planets that are visible and predictable. For example, most of us'll probably be up and about at midnight January 1, 2004. If your skies are clear, you should remember to walk outside for a moment and check out Saturn in 15 Gemini--just above and east of Alhena, and right below Mebsuta which marks sidereal 15 Gemini just 2 degrees above the ecliptic. Your extended thumb at arm's length spans about two arcdegrees thus you'll see that Saturn is maybe a pinky fingernail's width or so (about 2/3's of a degree) below the ecliptic at the time of observation. Since Asellus Australis (see list above) marks 14 Cancer right on the ecliptic (actually +0:04'38" but round degrees are all a stargazer needs), and bright Regulus at 5 Leo is less than half a degree above the ecliptic, you can quickly visualize the line, rather the arc of the ecliptic across the sky. Jupiter at 24 Leo and about a degree above the ecliptic should be visible in the eastern sky. Sirius at 19 Gem and 40 degrees below the ecliptic will be hard to miss in the southern sky (unless you live north of Barrow, Alaska). If you live in the southern US or similar latitude you might spot bright Canopus at 20 Gem -76 degrees barely above the south horizon. Orion should be in clear view below right of Saturn. See if you can spot Al-debaranu, the prime fiducial of the caelestial zodiac at 15Tau00 and 5 degrees below the ecliptic. As you see, when you look at a planet in the night sky the background stars help you to locate the planet's longitude and latitude, hence confirming previous predictions, and calibrating future predictions. In ancient times this was done for centuries & millennia. Let's look at Saturn heliacally. Just to be on the safe side, we'll put 30 degrees past Saturn for the predawn Sun. That ought to make it easy to spot Saturn before sunrise, whether you're watching from the old, royal Greenwich observatory at 25 meters above sea level & 00E00:00 longitude 51N28:38 latitude, or viewing atop the Great Pyramid at 31E09:00 29N58:51, or from the Sun Pyramid in Teotihuacan, Mexico ~19:44N 98:50W or from the site of ancient Babylon 44E24 32N33. Use your own default observation location, set up your favorite astronomy program to watch the sky from there. I'm using my own location here in central Colorado USA. Saturn is plainly visible at heliacal rising August 14, 2004 after about 3:30 AM MST. For continuity, I've set Astrolog to 12 PM August 14 2004 or Julian Day 2453232, with Saturn 27 Gemini and the Sun 27 Cancer. We'll add the 378 days for Saturn's synodic period, to August 27, 2005, with Saturn 10 Can and Sun 9 Leo. Like before we are just a day short, so on August 28, 2005, Saturn is rising about 3:50 AM, and it is apparent that Saturn's some 13 degrees further along in the caelestial zodiac than it was back on August 14 2004. Add twice 378 days, which is 756 days, and we have September 9, 2006 which is about two days shy of Saturn 30 sidereal degrees to the Sun, thus September 11 2006 finds Saturn rising at 4 AM. Let's jump ten times 378, which we know from our previous observations is closer to 3781 than 3780. The date is December 21, 2014. Low and behold, Saturn's at 5 Scorpio and the Sun is 5 Sagittarius, right where we expected it to be. Remember, Saturn was at 27 Gem back on August 14, 2004 with the Sun 27 Can. Now, ten times Saturn is heliacally risen we see that Saturn is 5 Sco and the Sun 5 Sag. That's near 128 degrees that Saturn has progressed in ten synodic periods or ten times our round figure of 13 degrees. Again, as observations are made over longer and longer periods of time, ephemeris calibration and improvements are the inevitable result. By the way, Saturn rises near 6 AM on December 21 2014. These long-term observations of the heliacal phenomena inevitably reveal the limits as to how far the planets can appear to stray from Earth's ecliptic with the Sun, revealing each planet's orbital inclination to Earth's, and also revealing other obvious limits, such as Venus and Mercury display their orbital eccentricity when at maximum elongation, Venus very little, Mercury a whole lot more. This plainly shows the observer that Venus & Mercury are closer in heliocentric orbit than Earth is, and of course the paths of Mars, Jupiter & Saturn show that they are further away from the Sun in their helio- centric orbits than Earth is. We'll cover more on this in later parts. Jupiter is next on the list of planets. End Part 2. See Part 3 For Continuation... 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why is this asshole here - to plague the world?
Thomas McDonald wrote: "Horus Apollo" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Continued from part 1... Open your ...veins, or read MiniMin's baseless drivel. Your choice. The effect is startlingly similar. Tom McDonald |
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