The 1~10% hollow moon / Brad Guth

Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls
This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.

Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.

First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of 262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.

If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?

How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?

At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.

However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.

Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).

Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?
Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).

As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.

Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.

Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).

However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.

Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).

Btw; If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:

Once again, a little physics food for thought: The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 28, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
*Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls
*This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.

Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.

First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of 262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). *So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.

If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. *So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?

How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?

At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. *Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.

However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.

Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).

Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?

Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).

As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. *You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.

Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.

Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).

However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.

Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. *It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).

Btw; * If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:

Once again, a little physics food for thought: *The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, *that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls

*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”


If we could manage to access even 1% of the 1% that's likely hollow,
our initial lunar failsafe habitat and logistics depot would be more
than fulfilled. However, going by way of old NASA seismic data, of
when those 14 tonne upper Saturn stages impacted and having indicated
something weird, as suggesting more than 10% hollow, because solid and
fully compacted forms of geology that’s gravity and vacuum packed
simply doesn't ring like a bell unless that extremely tough outer
crust is hiding an unusually low density interior, and/or including a
few of those potential geode voids that I keep suggesting should
exist.

Of course our public funded wizards at NASA most likely by now taped
over that kind of seismic data with those valuable episodes of "I Love
Lucy".

There's still no peer replicated objective proof that Eden/Earth has
always had such a moon, or that our moon isn't semi-hollow, but
there's certainly every deductive good enough reasons to believe that
it’s of a more recent moon and at least partially enough hollow to
count, and otherwise I've never stipulated as to the specific amount
or locations of such pockets or voids, but then our DARPA and NASA has
never objectively proven their Apollo missions, and our spendy LRO
mission is thus far sharing perhaps at best 0.1% of its remote
science. Go figure as to why such public funded science is always so
insider moderated, need-to-know or being kept taboo/nondisclosure
rated.

For all we know, portions of our Selene/moon interior are in fact
hollow (as even our NASA lunar seismic research has that likelihood
nailed). There’s also no indications of any significant iron, thorium
or other heavy element saturated core, and if anything the interior
mass of a relatively low average density has been significantly offset/
pulled towards Earth (especially while having to deal with the much
thicker backside crust), improving the odds of having a backside
underground matrix of geode hollows, if not that offering a massively
cavernous interior to work with, as protected under such a thick and
mineral saturated crust of mostly basalt (100 km thick). In other
words, this moon of ours is one unusual but tough cookie.

If humanity stays on this auto-destruct, environmentally unfriendly,
anti-green and anti-biodiversity policy (exterminating most everything
in sight), and otherwise remains politically passive/dumbfounded as
well as forever stuck in faith-based denial upon denial to boot,
eventually we may have few options but to consider abandoning ship (so
to speak), and having our semi-hollow Selene/moon as our extremely
robust lifeboat may not be as far fetched as one might care to think.

For the honest geology and/or planetology argument sake of showing how
easily a slight/minor shift in average density gives us that 1% hollow
moon of 7.345e22 kg, the following what-if should more than suffice.

Paramagnetic basalt density via cobalt, iron, thorium, uranium, radium
and nickel can easily become worth 5g/cm3, as opposed to nearly pure
terrestrial basalt 2.7 g/cm3. Using an average density of 3.38 g/cm3
seems perfectly reasonable, as well as the average density of 3.71 g/
cm3 isn’t entirely out of line, especially when dealing with such an
unusually thick and heavy mineral saturated basalt crust.

Radius
1738.0 km = 2.1991e19 m3
869.0 km = 2.7488e18 m3
434.5 km = 3.4360e17 m3
374.45 km = 2.1992e17 m3 (1% volume)
173.8 km = 2.1991e+16 m3 (.1% volume)

At zero hollow, solid volume : 2.199e19 & 3.34e3 kg/m3 = 7.345e22 kg
At 1% hollow, the solid volume = 2.177e19 m3 x 3.38e3 = 7.336e22 kg
* 10% hollow, solid volume offers 1.979e19 m3 x 3.71e3 = 7.343e22 kg

So, which is it? (or is it worth something more than 10% hollow?)

As expected, this topic has certainly brought out all the brown-nosed
clowns that Usenet/newsgroups and Google Groups can muster. Too bad
that honest physics and the best available science can't be given a
fair shot at much of anything these fays without our having to deal
with so many of these mainstream clowns, spooks and moles as having
such career invested and ulterior motives.

You'd think a 1% hollow moon would actually become a good thing, and a
10% hollow moon is certainly a whole lot better. At least on Earth
there are any number of natural and more than a few artificial
cavernous hollows, and as Earth cools, further solidifies and we keep
hard-rock mining plus excavating for valuable minerals as well as
sucking aquifers dry, there should become more (not less).

On average, that extremely tough and mineral saturated basalt crust of
our Selene/moon is at least five to six times thicker than what Eden/
Earth has to work with, and that's what I mean by saying it's one
tough cookie. However, its relatively soft or low density interior is
clearly offset, as pulled towards Earth by more than enough to
compensate for that much thicker mascon worth of its backside crust.
If nothing else, below that tough crust should be relatively cozy and
easy digging for a mostly robotic tunnel boring machine and its
conveyer train of mineral excavating technology.
http://www.niagarafrontier.com/tunnel.html
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/future/...echnical.shtml
http://redhawk500.wordpress.com/2009...one-near-miss/

We should be so lucky to find underground water within Selene, as that
would be too much to ask for. Fortunately, getting terrestrial salt
water to our moon shouldn’t be all that difficult, or spendy since
there’s no great demand for the speed of delivery.

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Because that unusual moon of ours wasn’t traditionally compressed into
a ball via gravity and thereby made solid and progressively more dense
to its very core, is perhaps what made the first dozen (US and USSR)
probes of orbital, impactors and hard landers somewhat trial and
error, or rather continually off-course and sort of hit and miss.
Now, I wouldn’t go so far as to suggest that our Selene/moon was ever
something artificially created, however the idea of there being a
significant portion (1%) as hollow seems to fit the best available
science rather nicely, if not conservatively.

http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm
“Lunar probes from both the United States and the Soviet Union were
more succesful after this. This cannot most likely be attributed to
some sudden advance in the quality of the hardware or telemetry
methods of both space programs, whereas it is much more likely to be a
result of recalculation of the lunar gravitational gradient.“

“The lunar orbiting space missions demonstrated even more evidence
that the moon might not be a solid homogenous rock throughout it's
volume.“

If there was ever anything watery/brine, mud like fluid or compressed
gaseous about the interior of that physically dark orb of such thick
crust that’s populated by such unusual surface mascons, whereas having
been existing within such a vacuum and having been so nicely freeze
dried by night and obviously illuminated and thus roasted to death by
day would have likely sucked her dry and evaporated anything that
wasn’t 100% sealed off by solid basalt or the likes of crystal
fortified geode pockets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode
http://www.whitebearenergies.net/crystals/cave.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/787776.stm
http://www.crystalinks.com/mexicocrystals.html

Such 100% sealed geode pockets or voids of once hosting fluids or
compressed gasses could still to some extent exist, but other than
discovered via random dumb luck we’ll likely need 3D seismic mapping
in order to find them. However, existing orbital science plus laser
and radar altimeter data that should be 100% public accessible, will
have by now indirectly mapped our Selene/moon semi-hollow interior to
within a resolution 10 km (possibly as good as 1 km resolution might
be interpreted).

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 30, 6:39*am, BradGuth wrote:
Because that unusual moon of ours wasn’t traditionally compressed into
a ball via gravity and thereby made solid and progressively more dense
to its very core, is perhaps what made the first dozen (US and USSR)
probes of orbital, impactors and hard landers somewhat trial and
error, or rather continually off-course and sort of hit and miss.
Now, I wouldn’t go so far as to suggest that our Selene/moon was ever
something artificially created, however the idea of there being a
significant portion (1%) as hollow seems to fit the best available
science rather nicely, if not conservatively.

http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm
*“Lunar probes from both the United States and the Soviet Union were
more succesful after this. This cannot most likely be attributed to
some sudden advance in the quality of the hardware or telemetry
methods of both space programs, whereas it is much more likely to be a
result of recalculation of the lunar gravitational gradient.“

“The lunar orbiting space missions demonstrated even more evidence
that the moon might not be a solid homogenous rock throughout it's
volume.“

If there was ever anything watery/brine, mud like fluid or compressed
gaseous about the interior of that physically dark orb of such thick
crust that’s populated by such unusual surface mascons, whereas having
been existing within such a vacuum and having been so nicely freeze
dried by night and obviously illuminated and thus roasted to death by
day would have likely sucked her dry and evaporated anything that
wasn’t 100% sealed off by solid basalt or the likes of crystal
fortified geode pockets.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode
*http://www.whitebearenergies.net/crystals/cave.html
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/787776.stm
*http://www.crystalinks.com/mexicocrystals.html

Such 100% sealed geode pockets or voids of once hosting fluids or
compressed gasses could still to some extent exist, but other than
discovered via random dumb luck we’ll likely need 3D seismic mapping
in order to find them. *However, existing orbital science plus laser
and radar altimeter data that should be 100% public accessible, will
have by now indirectly mapped our Selene/moon semi-hollow interior to
within a resolution 10 km (possibly as good as 1 km resolution might
be interpreted).

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”


Hollow moon related and in further support of one orb worth of
interactive gravity keeping another nearby orb of a mostly fluid mass
a little extra physically modulated and thereby kept extra toasty from
the inside out:

If the unusual fluid mascon worth of the Jupiter atmosphere can manage
to keep the innards of the fully tidal locked Io more than smoking hot
and bothered, imagine what our Selene/moon with its far better (moon :
planet) mass ratio and subsequent 2e20 N/sec (55.5e12 kw.hr if you
like) of what its tidal binding force is doing mostly to us.

“Io is a truly nightmarish hell of a moon and has about several
hundred volcanoes. It is the second hottest object in the Solar System
after the Sun and as an added bonus, the sulphuric lava is hundreds of
degrees hotter than the lava on Earth.”

“The force behind Io's phenomenal heat is the gravity of Jupiter and
the other large moons. This heats up the interior of Io and causes
rock to liquify.”

In exchange for having been keeping Eden/Earth physically modulated
and thus extra hot, there’s a darn good chance this companion/binary
planet Selene/moon of ours has become semi-hollow (mostly under/within
its extremely robust far-side interior), whereas it’s worth
considering that perhaps 10% hollow shouldn’t be all that unexpected.

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 30, 6:48*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 30, 6:39*am, BradGuth wrote:



Because that unusual moon of ours wasn’t traditionally compressed into
a ball via gravity and thereby made solid and progressively more dense
to its very core, is perhaps what made the first dozen (US and USSR)
probes of orbital, impactors and hard landers somewhat trial and
error, or rather continually off-course and sort of hit and miss.
Now, I wouldn’t go so far as to suggest that our Selene/moon was ever
something artificially created, however the idea of there being a
significant portion (1%) as hollow seems to fit the best available
science rather nicely, if not conservatively.

http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm
*“Lunar probes from both the United States and the Soviet Union were
more succesful after this. This cannot most likely be attributed to
some sudden advance in the quality of the hardware or telemetry
methods of both space programs, whereas it is much more likely to be a
result of recalculation of the lunar gravitational gradient.“

“The lunar orbiting space missions demonstrated even more evidence
that the moon might not be a solid homogenous rock throughout it's
volume.“

If there was ever anything watery/brine, mud like fluid or compressed
gaseous about the interior of that physically dark orb of such thick
crust that’s populated by such unusual surface mascons, whereas having
been existing within such a vacuum and having been so nicely freeze
dried by night and obviously illuminated and thus roasted to death by
day would have likely sucked her dry and evaporated anything that
wasn’t 100% sealed off by solid basalt or the likes of crystal
fortified geode pockets.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode
*http://www.whitebearenergies.net/crystals/cave.html
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/787776.stm
*http://www.crystalinks.com/mexicocrystals.html

Such 100% sealed geode pockets or voids of once hosting fluids or
compressed gasses could still to some extent exist, but other than
discovered via random dumb luck we’ll likely need 3D seismic mapping
in order to find them. *However, existing orbital science plus laser
and radar altimeter data that should be 100% public accessible, will
have by now indirectly mapped our Selene/moon semi-hollow interior to
within a resolution 10 km (possibly as good as 1 km resolution might
be interpreted).

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Hollow moon related and in further support of one orb worth of
interactive gravity keeping another nearby orb of a mostly fluid mass
a little extra physically modulated and thereby kept extra toasty from
the inside out:

If the unusual fluid mascon worth of the Jupiter atmosphere can manage
to keep the innards of the fully tidal locked Io more than smoking hot
and bothered, imagine what our Selene/moon with its far better (moon :
planet) mass ratio and subsequent 2e20 N/sec (55.5e12 kw.hr if you
like) of what its tidal binding force is doing mostly to us.

“Io is a truly nightmarish hell of a moon and has about several
hundred volcanoes. It is the second hottest object in the Solar System
after the Sun and as an added bonus, the sulphuric lava is hundreds of
degrees hotter than the lava on Earth.”

“The force behind Io's phenomenal heat is the gravity of Jupiter and
the other large moons. This heats up the interior of Io and causes
rock to liquify.”

In exchange for having been keeping Eden/Earth physically modulated
and thus extra hot, there’s a darn good chance this companion/binary
planet Selene/moon of ours has become semi-hollow (mostly under/within
its extremely robust far-side interior), whereas it’s worth
considering that perhaps 10% hollow shouldn’t be all that unexpected.

*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”


I’ve recently had to exclude using this hot link / Sakib Rasool
http://f r e e w e b s.com/starsurf/jupiter.htm
Because whenever included it caused my topic or whatever reply to be
rejected. Did something about this Starsurfing from downunder, Asia
or middle Eastern manage to break wind, or what?

This seems entirely odd, because this one of Jupiter and other pages
are truly quite informative, and credit is always given as to the
original source of context. Even the page of hot links are as equally
informative, decently entertaining and exceptionally harmless. So,
what the hell gives?
http://rtoddking.com/chinawin2009_hb_if.htm
http://rtoddking.com/chinawin2009_hb_sf.htm

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 28, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
*Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls
*This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.

Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.

First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of 262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). *So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.

If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. *So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?

How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?

At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. *Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.

However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.

Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).

Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?

Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).

As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. *You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.

Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.

Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).

However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.

Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. *It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).

Btw; * If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:

Once again, a little physics food for thought: *The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, *that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls

*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

I kid you not. That thick and mineral saturated crust that's magnetic
and/or paramagnetic could actually represent 10% of the lunar mass.

On Jul 28, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
*Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls
*This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.

Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.

First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of 262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). *So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.

If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. *So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?

How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?

At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. *Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.

However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.

Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).

Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?

Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).

As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. *You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.

Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.

Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).

However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.

Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. *It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).

Btw; * If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:

Once again, a little physics food for thought: *The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, *that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls

I still kid you not. That extremely thick and heavy mineral saturated
crust that's extensively mascon populated, as well as magnetic and/or
paramagnetic could actually represent 10% of the lunar mass. Even a
dysfunctional 5th grader should appreciate what this means.

The 1%10% hollow and/or extremely low density interior of our Selene/
moon is actually a good thing, even if only China and India develop
such for their own good.

*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Aug 2, 9:01*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 28, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:



Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
*Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls
*This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.

Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.

First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of 262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). *So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.

If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. *So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?

How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?

At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. *Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.

However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.

Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).

Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?

Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).

As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. *You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.

Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.

Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).

However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.

Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. *It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).

Btw; * If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:

Once again, a little physics food for thought: *The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, *that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls

I still kid you not. *That extremely thick and heavy mineral saturated
crust that's extensively mascon populated, as well as magnetic and/or
paramagnetic could actually represent 10% of the lunar mass. *Even a
dysfunctional 5th grader should appreciate what this means.

The 1%10% hollow and/or extremely low density interior of our Selene/
moon is actually a good thing, even if only China and India develop
such for their own good.

Apparently any sort of hollow moon is taboo/nondisclosure rated, as ir
utilizing Selene L1 because the geology Gods have so stipulated.

ASTRONOMY September 2009 (Vol. 37 Issue 9), page 39
Why is it that we keep getting these intentionally pastel images, of
such limited DR(dynamic range), in that my old cell-phone camera has
better DR and even better color/hue range including purple and violet
sensitivity?

It seems LROC has even worse DR, and where exactly are those color/hue
saturated images of the mineral fluorescence and those of SAR, X-ray
plus gamma spectrometry of our physically dark Selene/moon?

When are we ever going to start getting our public funded moneys
worth?

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Aug 2, 9:01*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 28, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:



Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
*Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls
*This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.

Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.

First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of 262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). *So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.

If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. *So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?

How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?

At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. *Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.

However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.

Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).

Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?

Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).

As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. *You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.

Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.

Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).

However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.

Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. *It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).

Btw; * If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:

Once again, a little physics food for thought: *The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, *that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls

I still kid you not. *That extremely thick and heavy mineral saturated
crust that's extensively mascon populated, as well as magnetic and/or
paramagnetic could actually represent 10% of the lunar mass. *Even a
dysfunctional 5th grader should appreciate what this means.

The 1%10% hollow and/or extremely low density interior of our Selene/
moon is actually a good thing, even if only China and India develop
such for their own good.

*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Where is the mainstream objective or even subjective evidence that our
Selene/moon is not semi-hollow?

~ BG

Listen here you freak. There is not one scintilla of evidence the Moon
is one percent or any percent hollow. Yes it has lots of depressions
and even canyons but these are not hollow in any sense of the word.
You are having a conversation with yourself and please come to your
senses. What do you know about compression and gravity? How do you
know it was not compressed as a result of gravity? It was a
combination of gravity, internal geological processes and the fact
that outer space has 12-14 atmospheres of vacuum pressure. Do you
understand what that means. You have no clue how the Moon formed and
you are trying to complicate a simple process, like a few scientists
still to this day advance the unlikely notion that the Moon was a
remnant of a collision with a solid mars sized body. The evidence does
not show that nor is the Moon hollow in any sense of the word. You're
complicating simple matters and getting lost in the translation. Take
a vacation.

Cordially,
S. Ray DeRusse
www.bccmeteorites.com

On Jul 30, 8:39*am, BradGuth wrote:
Because that unusual moon of ours wasn’t traditionally compressed into
a ball via gravity and thereby made solid and progressively more dense
to its very core, is perhaps what made the first dozen (US and USSR)
probes of orbital, impactors and hard landers somewhat trial and
error, or rather continually off-course and sort of hit and miss.
Now, I wouldn’t go so far as to suggest that our Selene/moon was ever
something artificially created, however the idea of there being a
significant portion (1%) as hollow seems to fit the best available
science rather nicely, if not conservatively.

http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm
*“Lunar probes from both the United States and the Soviet Union were
more succesful after this. This cannot most likely be attributed to
some sudden advance in the quality of the hardware or telemetry
methods of both space programs, whereas it is much more likely to be a
result of recalculation of the lunar gravitational gradient.“

“The lunar orbiting space missions demonstrated even more evidence
that the moon might not be a solid homogenous rock throughout it's
volume.“

If there was ever anything watery/brine, mud like fluid or compressed
gaseous about the interior of that physically dark orb of such thick
crust that’s populated by such unusual surface mascons, whereas having
been existing within such a vacuum and having been so nicely freeze
dried by night and obviously illuminated and thus roasted to death by
day would have likely sucked her dry and evaporated anything that
wasn’t 100% sealed off by solid basalt or the likes of crystal
fortified geode pockets.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode
*http://www.whitebearenergies.net/crystals/cave.html
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/787776.stm
*http://www.crystalinks.com/mexicocrystals.html

Such 100% sealed geode pockets or voids of once hosting fluids or
compressed gasses could still to some extent exist, but other than
discovered via random dumb luck we’ll likely need 3D seismic mapping
in order to find them. *However, existing orbital science plus laser
and radar altimeter data that should be 100% public accessible, will
have by now indirectly mapped our Selene/moon semi-hollow interior to
within a resolution 10 km (possibly as good as 1 km resolution might
be interpreted).

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”