Ares and Constellation to get reviewed

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new...new-study.html

Pat

On May 6, 5:16�am, Pat Flannery wrote:
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Pat

Its past time to kill that pork piggie.

might be better to kill US NASA manned vehicles, shuttle is grounded
once last already planned flight is complete.......

Let private companies take over LEO access.

they will anyway it would just speed up the process.

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It's about time.

Jeff
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It's about time.


Amen.




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Jeff Findley wrote:
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It's about time.


"What do you mean Griffin used the SRB because 'That's what the Magic 8
Ball told him to do'? Are you saying decisions at NASA are made by using
a Magic 8 Ball?"
"Signs point to yes."
"Could you go into more detail on this?"
"Better not tell you now." :-)

Pat

Its past time to kill that pork piggie.

might be better to kill US NASA manned vehicles, shuttle is grounded
once last already planned flight is complete.......

Let private companies take over LEO access.

they will anyway it would just speed up the process.

And Orion? Private companies will not be able to take care of anything
beyond LEO.

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message
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"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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It's about time.


Amen.


The death of the Vision has been obvious since the start. When the goal
is CORRUPT a poor ending is almost certain and easy to predict.
The repubs have made it a habit to allow industry to design legislation
that suits themselves. Such as having oil industry execs design our
energy bills, polluters designing clear air legislation etc etc.

Lockheed et all designed the Vision to suit their bottom line, not ours, and
of course it's garbage for us and gravy for them. This simple fact, that
it benefits the boardroom and not the taxpayers is why it has so little support
and is doomed to die on the vine.....at best. With typical being a wasteful
debacle.

I say fix Orion, kill the Ares heavy and the stick, and use EELV's for now, and
.....continue if not dramatically increase the military space plane program.
Let SSTO's, low cost to orbit come from the military race with the Chinese.
Then have NASA figure out what to do with low cost to orbit when it comes.
Something that benefits the most people possible, not the least possible
with the Vision. So it has the most support possible, not the least.

That's why I like Space Solar Power, it requires low cost to orbit first, while
having the potential to benefit and inspire.....literally....

everyone on the planet



IMHO.







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"Vincent D. DeSimone" wrote in message
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And Orion? Private companies will not be able to take care of anything
beyond LEO.

If you mean manned/crewed spacecraft, then yes; for the time being. But
there's no reason why a Moon/Mars program couldn't be done by corporations,
if the money was provided for infrastrucucture (pads, launchers etc).

Remember how aviation got its start? By air mail; passenger transport
simply wasn't cost effective, but when Air Mail contracts were given to
airlines, passengers were also carried. It was only from the Boeing 247 and
Douglas DC-3 that things changed.

And the airports were all built with government money too - not by private
developers. There's no reason why the same couldn't be done with Moon/Mars
programs. Afterall, every space program involves civilian contractors from
the nuts-and-bolts stage up.

The possibility of a Lunar version of Dragon is possible; it's only launcher
capacity that's slowing things down. And that's a matter of thrust - if the
9 Merlin engines on the Falcon 9 were replaced with one engine of similar
combined thrust (the rumoured Merlin 2), it would enable the first stage of
the F9 to be used in a cluster fashion, like an enlarged Falcon 9 Heavy -
call it the Eagle 3 to start - 3 Merlin 2 engines and then cluster stages
around a core.

"Vincent D. DeSimone" wrote in message
...
Its past time to kill that pork piggie.

might be better to kill US NASA manned vehicles, shuttle is grounded
once last already planned flight is complete.......

Let private companies take over LEO access.

they will anyway it would just speed up the process.

And Orion? Private companies will not be able to take care of anything
beyond LEO.

Umm, so? A) who says we need to go and b) why not take advantage of the
commercial access to LEO?


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On Wed, 06 May 2009 04:16:05 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

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The problem with Ares is that it is about 50% NASA bungling and 50%
Congressional meddling (behind the scenes insistence on laying off as
few Shuttle workers as possible.)

Nothing will change with this study. It will come out and say "EELV is
better." or "Jupiter is better", and Congress will say "we'll take
that under advisement, now go build Ares."

Sigh.

Brian