...Faster Than Light is a pipe-dream

And we'll never talk to aliens.

Because the universe makes sense!
Because the inherent abilities of the universe
to create and evolve are so pervasive and
relentless, life emerges straight away everywhere.

Life blooms everywhere at about the same time.
The universe is teeming with life but we'll never prove it.
Since telescopes see the past, we'll never see them, and
they'll never see us. Even though both are looking, we'll
only see each other's distant past.

For questions of truth and meaning there's only thought.
Common understanding is the only thing that might
exceed the speed of light.


Imho.


Jonathan


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On Apr 29, 7:24*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
And we'll never talk to aliens.

Because the universe makes sense!
Because the inherent abilities of the universe
to create and evolve are so pervasive and
relentless, life emerges straight away everywhere.

Life blooms everywhere at about the same time.
The universe is teeming with life but we'll never prove it.
Since telescopes see the past, we'll never see them, and
they'll never see us. Even though both are looking, we'll
only see each other's distant past.

Horsefeathers. The next couple generations of space telescopes will
tell us if there's life in the few nearest star systems; a few dozen
light years isn't "distant".

Our radio transmissions are nearly a century old, and if other life
had started at near the same time, we'd have heard the early parts of
theirs by now which we haven't.

For questions of truth and meaning there's only thought.
Common understanding is the only thing that might
exceed the speed of light.

You can't understand what you can't at least get evidence of.


Mark L. Fergerson

On Apr 30, 5:24*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
And we'll never talk to aliens.

Because the universe makes sense!
Because the inherent abilities of the universe
to create and evolve are so pervasive and
relentless, life emerges straight away everywhere.

That's utter bull or at the least completely unsubstantiated.

Life blooms everywhere at about the same time.

Highly improbable unless by the same time you mean "within the same
billion years".

The universe is teeming with life but we'll never prove it.
Since telescopes see the past, we'll never see them,

Life has existed on this earth for billions of years.

"Jonathan" wrote in message
...

And we'll never talk to aliens.

What's this got to do with sci.space.history you trolling scumbag??!!

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:34:46 GMT, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
m...

And we'll never talk to aliens.

What's this got to do with sci.space.history you trolling scumbag??!!

About as much as it has to do with rec.arts.sf.written.

--
Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank]

Bill Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:34:46 GMT, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

"Jonathan" wrote in message
...
And we'll never talk to aliens.
What's this got to do with sci.space.history you trolling scumbag??!!

About as much as it has to do with rec.arts.sf.written.

He is likely right about the FTL, though.

Fairly,
Jack Tingle

On Apr 29, 9:20*pm, alien8er wrote:
On Apr 29, 7:24*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

And we'll never talk to aliens.

Because the universe makes sense!
Because the inherent abilities of the universe
to create and evolve are so pervasive and
relentless, life emerges straight away everywhere.

Life blooms everywhere at about the same time.
The universe is teeming with life but we'll never prove it.
Since telescopes see the past, we'll never see them, and
they'll never see us. Even though both are looking, we'll
only see each other's distant past.

* Horsefeathers. The next couple generations of space telescopes will
tell us if there's life in the few nearest star systems; a few dozen
light years isn't "distant".

* Our radio transmissions are nearly a century old, and if other life
had started at near the same time, we'd have heard the early parts of
theirs by now which we haven't.

For questions of truth and meaning there's only thought.
Common understanding is the only thing that might
exceed the speed of light.

* You can't understand what you can't at least get evidence of.

* Mark L. Fergerson

On Apr 29, 9:20*pm, alien8er wrote:
On Apr 29, 7:24*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

And we'll never talk to aliens.

Because the universe makes sense!
Because the inherent abilities of the universe
to create and evolve are so pervasive and
relentless, life emerges straight away everywhere.

Life blooms everywhere at about the same time.
The universe is teeming with life but we'll never prove it.
Since telescopes see the past, we'll never see them, and
they'll never see us. Even though both are looking, we'll
only see each other's distant past.

* Horsefeathers. The next couple generations of space telescopes will
tell us if there's life in the few nearest star systems; a few dozen
light years isn't "distant".

* Our radio transmissions are nearly a century old, and if other life
had started at near the same time, we'd have heard the early parts of
theirs by now which we haven't.

For questions of truth and meaning there's only thought.
Common understanding is the only thing that might
exceed the speed of light.

* You can't understand what you can't at least get evidence of.

* Mark L. Fergerson

Double Horsefeathers. Your negative mindset is noted.

~ BG

On Apr 29, 11:29*pm, Michael Grosberg
wrote:
On Apr 30, 5:24*am, "Jonathan" wrote:

And we'll never talk to aliens.

Because the universe makes sense!
Because the inherent abilities of the universe
to create and evolve are so pervasive and
relentless, life emerges straight away everywhere.

That's utter bull or at the least completely unsubstantiated.

Life blooms everywhere at about the same time.

Highly improbable unless by the same time you mean "within the same
billion years".

The universe is teeming with life but we'll never prove it.
Since telescopes see the past, we'll never see them,

Life has existed on this earth for billions of years.

But only the least bit intelligent as of long after the very last ice
age this Eden/Earth w/moon is ever going to see.

~ BG

On Apr 30, 4:29*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 29, 9:20*pm, alien8er wrote:



On Apr 29, 7:24*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

And we'll never talk to aliens.

Because the universe makes sense!
Because the inherent abilities of the universe
to create and evolve are so pervasive and
relentless, life emerges straight away everywhere.

Life blooms everywhere at about the same time.
The universe is teeming with life but we'll never prove it.
Since telescopes see the past, we'll never see them, and
they'll never see us. Even though both are looking, we'll
only see each other's distant past.

See, this is a blatant non sequitur. If a descendant of Hubble gives
us direct evidence of Et life, just because it's evidence from the
recent past (say four and a bit years ago from the Centauri system)
mean it's not "proof"? Why the hell not?

* Horsefeathers. The next couple generations of space telescopes will
tell us if there's life in the few nearest star systems; a few dozen
light years isn't "distant".

* Our radio transmissions are nearly a century old, and if other life
had started at near the same time, we'd have heard the early parts of
theirs by now which we haven't.

For questions of truth and meaning there's only thought.
Common understanding is the only thing that might
exceed the speed of light.

* You can't understand what you can't at least get evidence of.

* Mark L. Fergerson

Double Horsefeathers. *Your negative mindset is noted.

What "negative mindset" are you blithering about? Firstly, I assume
there is plenty of ET life and just because we have no direct evidence
of it yet doesn't necessarily mean there never will be. I also assume
we just haven't looked for the proper evidence yet. We haven't been at
it very long, you know. Once we figure out how to detect other life
we'll know how _they_ can detect _us_ meaning we'll have something
that we can try to modulate with information we desire to communicate
to them, opening the possibility of dialogue. I assume we _will_ do so
perhaps by tripping over a method accidentally while trying to do
something else; the history of science is littered with serendipitous
discoveries.

What we _won't_ likely use to further such dialogue, at least at
first, is radio because we know damn well we're much farther advanced
in that tech than any other species within several dozen lightyears.

Even if we _do_ manage to tell somebody Out There how to use radio,
every radio communication is "from the past" according to range
divided by the speed of light. But that's not really a problem.

And ultimately, understanding by definition requires communicating
the material to be understood; one can only interpret what one can
sense.


Mark L. Fergerson