Alternative Lunar Lander... a Eagle?!

OM wrote:

:On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:38:36 -0400, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:
:
:
:"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
:news :
: Still the charmer. No wonder you get binned.
:
:...The fact that he was also involved in my getting banned from NSF
:without provocation proves he's a paranoid dip****, Fred.
:

And you think this all has nothing to do with YOUR behaviour?

:
:...And the word is "banning", not "binning". Even your ex-wife Chumpko
:can spell it right.
:

A 'ban' is just a universal enforced binning, OM. Even an
ill-tempered, ill-mannered social misfit like you ought to understand
that. After all, you busily campaigned against a number of people to
try to get that done to them right here. When that failed, you
proceeded to engage in tactics that were pretty much universally
recognized (by everyone but you, apparently) as being 'beyond the
pale'.

:OM call them like he sees them. I agree with many of OM's views, but so far
:I've not been banned from anyone's website because I generally keep those
:views to myself.
:
:...If more people spoke out against Keith Cowing, he could be easily
:run out of the anti-NASA business, with his websites going down the
:toilet through disuse.
:

In other words, lacking the power to 'ban' him, you want to incite a
mob to get the same thing done to him. So what makes you different
from him, OM?

:As far as NASA Watch goes, I really hate it when Keith watermarks every
:document he posts on his website with www.nasawatch.com. I mean, what's up
:with that? He didn't write the document, he just posted it to his website.
:Why try to take credit by watermarking the document?
:
:...So if someone he doesn't like uses the document, he can sue them
:and claim they were violating his copyright. Simple legal thuggery,
:and something Keith deserves to be horsewhipped for.
:

Except it's not his document in the first place. Just go get the
original.

So you don't believe in intellectual property rights, either,
characterizing them as "legal thuggery"?

You are really in need of some professional help...

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Fred J. McCall wrote in :

OM wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:38:36 -0400, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:


"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
news

Still the charmer. No wonder you get binned.

:...The fact that he was also involved in my getting banned from NSF
without provocation proves he's a paranoid dip****, Fred.


And you think this all has nothing to do with YOUR behaviour?

His behavior here shouldn't have an bearing on his status elsewhere.
While it is true that he recently did a really ****headed thing to Eric,
it is also true that he is knowledgable and he makes a valuable
contribution. That he was behaving himself elsewhere and still got
nailed is testimony to the power of a childish grudge or two.

I snipped the rest, Fred, because in your zeal to prosecute your own
grudge, you have gone overboard.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will
scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will
refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something
which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he
will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is
explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell

"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote in :
:
: OM wrote:
:
: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:38:36 -0400, "Jeff Findley"
: wrote:
:
:
: "Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
: news :
: Still the charmer. No wonder you get binned.
:
: :...The fact that he was also involved in my getting banned from NSF
: without provocation proves he's a paranoid dip****, Fred.
:
:
: And you think this all has nothing to do with YOUR behaviour?
:
:His behavior here shouldn't have an bearing on his status elsewhere.
:While it is true that he recently did a really ****headed thing to Eric,
:it is also true that he is knowledgable and he makes a valuable
:contribution.
:

He must be making it elsewhere, because I just haven't seen it. Most
of his output seems to be aimed at attacking others and either
complaining about his own treatment or demanding that everyone else
must killfile this or that person.

:
:That he was behaving himself elsewhere and still got
:nailed is testimony to the power of a childish grudge or two.
:

I was commenting on OM cheering the idea that "loons" he doesn't like,
such as Guthball, ElfNazi, etc, were automatically banned. They were
banned essentially the same way he was; based on their behaviour
elsewhere with no appeal and no "right to face their accusers". Hence
his now complaining about being treated the same way smacks of irony.

:
:I snipped the rest, Fred, because in your zeal to prosecute your own
:grudge, you have gone overboard.
:

Grudge? Don't be silly. This is Usenet. Nobody and nothing here is
important enough to have a grudge about. I leave that sort of
obsessive idiocy to folks like OM.

--
"They made hypocrite judgments after the fact
But the name of the game is be hit and hit back."
-- "Boom Boom Mancini", Warren Zevon

Fred J. McCall wrote in :

"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote in
:

OM wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:38:36 -0400, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:


"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
news
Still the charmer. No wonder you get binned.

:...The fact that he was also involved in my getting banned from NSF
without provocation proves he's a paranoid dip****, Fred.


And you think this all has nothing to do with YOUR behaviour?

His behavior here shouldn't have an bearing on his status elsewhere.
While it is true that he recently did a really ****headed thing to
Eric, it is also true that he is knowledgable and he makes a valuable
contribution.


He must be making it elsewhere, because I just haven't seen it. Most
of his output seems to be aimed at attacking others and either
complaining about his own treatment or demanding that everyone else
must killfile this or that person.


That he was behaving himself elsewhere and still got
nailed is testimony to the power of a childish grudge or two.


I was commenting on OM cheering the idea that "loons" he doesn't like,
such as Guthball, ElfNazi, etc, were automatically banned. They were
banned essentially the same way he was; based on their behaviour
elsewhere with no appeal and no "right to face their accusers". Hence
his now complaining about being treated the same way smacks of irony.

Although I have never especially approved of poking Guthie, he is a
well-known net loon, as is Mr. Elifritz. There is nothing of a grudge in
preventing kooks from commenting on a science board. OM, on the other
hand, is known for compiling the Columbia Loss FAQ, among other
contributions. His long-running feud with Mr. Day is the stuff of
net-legend, but it is not a good reason to ban him from discussing
topics in which he is well-versed.

I will grant you that Bob sometimes goes too far and that he should
realize most readers here are perfectly capable of figuring out who to
put in a killfile, but to put him in the same class as Guthie and Tommy
Lee is simply absurd.

I snipped the rest, Fred, because in your zeal to prosecute your own
grudge, you have gone overboard.


Grudge? Don't be silly. This is Usenet. Nobody and nothing here is
important enough to have a grudge about. I leave that sort of
obsessive idiocy to folks like OM.

I'm telling you how it looks. If you don't believe me, take a poll.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will
scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will
refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something
which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he
will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is
explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell

"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote in :
:
:I will grant you that Bob sometimes goes too far and that he should
:realize most readers here are perfectly capable of figuring out who to
ut in a killfile, but to put him in the same class as Guthie and Tommy
:Lee is simply absurd.
:

I didn't. It's simply a matter of where one draws the line. Self
appointed net khops are no more desirable than any other sort of net
loon.

: I snipped the rest, Fred, because in your zeal to prosecute your own
: grudge, you have gone overboard.
:
:
: Grudge? Don't be silly. This is Usenet. Nobody and nothing here is
: important enough to have a grudge about. I leave that sort of
: obsessive idiocy to folks like OM.
:
:I'm telling you how it looks. If you don't believe me, take a poll.
:

Sorry, but reality isn't subject to a majority vote. Peoples' myopia
doesn't change the facts.

Rhonda, I've been on the net pretty much since there's been a net. In
the old days they used to have files new users should read before they
let them post. One of the basic tenets amounted to "It's only
Usenet."

Oh, there are folks (like OM, apparently) who become 'legends in their
own minds', but nobody sane and adult gets worked up or carries
grudges over anything here. Those that do are soon nuts, if they
weren't to start with.

I've been around for close to a quarter century now. Trust me when I
tell you that there's damned little anyone can do that I'd take
seriously.

People get what they give. OM elects to behave as an asshole toward
me, so I return the favour. It's hardly 'personal'; like swatting
flies, really.

--
"Well, I met a girl in West Hollywood. I ain't naming names.
She really worked me over good. She was just like Jesse James.
She really worked me over good. She was a credit to her gender.
She put me through some changes, Lord.
Sort of like a Waring blender."
-- Warren Zevon, "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me"

OM wrote:

:On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:11:22 -0500, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"
wrote:
:
: I was commenting on OM cheering the idea that "loons" he doesn't like,
: such as Guthball, ElfNazi, etc, were automatically banned.
:
:..."Loons" like yourself, Fred. Keep in mind that your feud with your
:ex-wife, Chumpko, has branded you as such.
:

Poor OM.

Hint: You are STILL not the Lord Emperor of the Net. Your stupid
grudges don't matter.

:Although I have never especially approved of poking Guthie, he is a
:well-known net loon, as is Mr. Elifritz. There is nothing of a grudge in
:preventing kooks from commenting on a science board. OM, on the other
:hand, is known for compiling the Columbia Loss FAQ, among other
:contributions. His long-running feud with Mr. Day is the stuff of
:net-legend, but it is not a good reason to ban him from discussing
:topics in which he is well-versed.
:
:...Actually, the feud with Dwayne is summed up as follows:
:
wayne: "If everyone doesn't stop using all profanity immediately, I'm
:going to leave and take all my knowledge about spysats with me!"
:
:Me and most of the regulars: "Who do you think you are? A net.cop?
:**** off, Dwayne."
:
:Henry: "Dwayne, you're overstepping your bounds."
:
wayne: "I'm leaving, and it's all OM's fault. You remember that when
:you want info on CORONA and I deny it to you."
:
:...And that's basically the same game the egotistical schmuck pulled
n NSF.
:

So your bitch is that someone else won't give you what you want on
your terms? Life's hard, OM. Grow up and get over it.

:I will grant you that Bob sometimes goes too far and that he should
:realize most readers here are perfectly capable of figuring out who to
:put in a killfile, but to put him in the same class as Guthie and Tommy
:Lee is simply absurd.
:
:...Thank you, Rhon. But I won't apologize for the efforts I've taken
:to try and get those who won't killfile the trolls to do so anyway.
:Anything I can do to run them off for good, I will in fact do. If
:everyone had pitched in and done the same when they first arrived,
:they'd been long gone by now.
:

Get it now, Rhonda? Is there an irony meter around that didn't just
explode?

: Grudge? Don't be silly. This is Usenet. Nobody and nothing here is
: important enough to have a grudge about. I leave that sort of
: obsessive idiocy to folks like OM.
:
:...Liar. A dozen years of feuding with Chumpko isn't holding a grudge.
:Pull the middle leg, Fred. it feels better.
:

I'm not you, OM. Stop projecting. When you seem me playing your game
and acting like the net is a junior high school clique and you object
to people being able to sit at your lunch table, why, you get back to
me.

:I'm telling you how it looks. If you don't believe me, take a poll.
:
:...No need. Everyone knows Fred's as much a troll as Chumpko, Elfnazi
:and Guthball.
:

And it falls in the same category as most of the things that 'everyone
knows'...

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

OM wrote:

:On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:11:22 -0500, "Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries"
wrote:
:
: I was commenting on OM cheering the idea that "loons" he doesn't like,
: such as Guthball, ElfNazi, etc, were automatically banned.
:
:..."Loons" like yourself, Fred. Keep in mind that your feud with your
:ex-wife, Chumpko, has branded you as such.
:

Yeah, it's just GOT to gall the **** out of you that I can get to
places where you've been banned for being too big an asshole to
tolerate.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine