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Old April 8th 09, 11:27 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
Bluuuue Rajah
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"


As this pic shows, it doesn't seem to have legs, and it digs itself in
farther than I would have thought.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...yuz/index.html
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Old April 8th 09, 11:54 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
Jack Linthicum
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"

On Apr 8, 6:27*am, Bluuuue Rajah Bluuuuue@Rajah. wrote:
As this pic shows, it doesn't seem to have legs, and it digs itself in
farther than I would have thought.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...yuz/index.html


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/so...g-cg/799138648

Second parachute tends to drag it to one side after landing. The dirt
is from the retros firing. They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.
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Old April 8th 09, 12:06 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"

On Apr 8, 4:54Â*am, Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Apr 8, 6:27Â*am, Bluuuue Rajah Bluuuuue@Rajah. wrote:

As this pic shows, it doesn't seem to have legs, and it digs itself in
farther than I would have thought.


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...yuz/index.html


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/so...g-cg/799138648

Second parachute tends to drag it to one side after landing. The dirt
is from the retros firing. They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.


Lame ass fake name.
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Old April 8th 09, 12:47 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
Jack Linthicum
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"

On Apr 8, 7:06Â*am, LIBERATOR wrote:
On Apr 8, 4:54Â*am, Jack Linthicum wrote:

On Apr 8, 6:27Â*am, Bluuuue Rajah Bluuuuue@Rajah. wrote:


As this pic shows, it doesn't seem to have legs, and it digs itself in
farther than I would have thought.


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...yuz/index.html


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/so...g-cg/799138648


Second parachute tends to drag it to one side after landing. The dirt
is from the retros firing. They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.


Lame ass fake name.
ÏŸÏŸ


A company named Liberator makes my wife's bras.
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Old April 8th 09, 05:39 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"

Jack Linthicum wrote in news:4a0e1669-9923-
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On Apr 8, 6:27*am, Bluuuue Rajah Bluuuuue@Rajah. wrote:
As this pic shows, it doesn't seem to have legs, and it digs itself in
farther than I would have thought.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...yuz/index.html

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/so...g-cg/799138648

Second parachute tends to drag it to one side after landing. The dirt
is from the retros firing. They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.


How long is the cable on the weight?
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Old April 8th 09, 05:42 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"

On Apr 8, 12:39*pm, Bluuuue Rajah Bluuuuue@Rajah. wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote in news:4a0e1669-9923-
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On Apr 8, 6:27*am, Bluuuue Rajah Bluuuuue@Rajah. wrote:
As this pic shows, it doesn't seem to have legs, and it digs itself in
farther than I would have thought.


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/st...yuz/index.html


http://video.aol.com/video-detail/so...g-cg/799138648


Second parachute tends to drag it to one side after landing. The dirt
is from the retros firing. They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.


How long is the cable on the weight?


Measure it.
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Old April 8th 09, 09:37 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
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Bluuuue Rajah wrote:
Second parachute tends to drag it to one side after landing. The dirt
is from the retros firing. They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.


How long is the cable on the weight?


They don't do it quite like this on Soyuz, although that was the way it
was done on Voskhod; it was a modification of a rocket assisted
parachute landing system used to airdrop light armored vehicles and
military supplies.
Originally the Soyuz landing rockets were set off by the radioactive
backscatter from a gamma radiation generator (kaktus 1 or 2V) mounted on
the aft bulkhead of the capsule, but this made it dangerous for the
recovery crew to get behind the landed capsule due to radiation from the
isotopic source.
Nowadays IIRC, it's done by extending three rigid rods out of the aft
bulkhead that activate the landing rockets when they bend on impacting
the surface, similar to the landing contact probes that were mounted on
the LM's landing gear under the landing pads.
You can see one of the rods sticking out in this photo*:
http://collectspace.com/review/iss16_landing07.jpg
This other photo also shows it, along with the new six nozzle landing
rockets on the Soyuz TMA: http://collectspace.com/review/iss16_landing02.jpg
Activation of the landing rockets occurs at 80 cm altitude; landing
occurs 1 second later.

*At least I'm pretty sure that's what it is... it could also be an
extensible communication antenna, but the placement and length are right
for a ground impact sensor, and there are apparently two more locate 120
degrees from it.
Soyuz does extend a communication antenna from the upper part of the
reentry module after landing:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4...37_soyuzap.jpg
....but it's a lot longer than this thing on the bottom.
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Old April 8th 09, 05:56 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"

Jack Linthicum writes:

[...]

They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.


No weight on a string, they use a special-purpose altimeter called
"Kaktus" which has a small radioactive source and sensors which detect
the reflection of the radiation from the ground to trigger the
soft-landing rockets.
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Old April 8th 09, 06:38 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
Jack Linthicum
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"

On Apr 8, 12:56*pm, Chris Jones wrote:
Jack Linthicum writes:

[...]

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.


No weight on a string, they use a special-purpose altimeter called
"Kaktus" which has a small radioactive source and sensors which detect
the reflection of the radiation from the ground to trigger the
soft-landing rockets.


Then what is that thing dangling from the capsule?
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Old April 8th 09, 07:53 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy,rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval
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Default Soyuz capsule "hits the dirt"

Jack Linthicum writes:

On Apr 8, 12:56Â*pm, Chris Jones wrote:
Jack Linthicum writes:

[...]

Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* They hang a weight from the capsule, when
the weight hits solid earth the retros fire. We use that on Mars stuff.


No weight on a string, they use a special-purpose altimeter called
"Kaktus" which has a small radioactive source and sensors which detect
the reflection of the radiation from the ground to trigger the
soft-landing rockets.


Then what is that thing dangling from the capsule?


Without a picture, I have no idea what you are referring to.

Try doing a Google search on Kaktus Soyuz (the two words) or Kaktus
altimeter if you still don't believe me.

 




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