Affordable local missions that’ll return investment

Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Dec 29, 2:05*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions .....
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On Dec 29, 5:44*pm, Raving wrote:
On Dec 29, 2:05*pm, BradGuth wrote: Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions .....

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Is this supposed to be funny?

Are all the DARPA and NASA moles going to be as innovative and
rusemaster capable as "Raving"?

Just wondering, because you otherwise claim to be so all-knowing and
wise at most everything under the sun. Are you on the BHO short list,
or not actually on any list of science and technology expertise, other
than the NO FLY list?

~ BG

GuthBall having another nightmare ??? Take a chill pill.
Then get cracking on your Venusian L2 lighter than air spaceships.
Take an umbrella, the Sun is hotter on Venus. It's to protect your
skin, since your brain is already fried.
Bon Voyage

"BradGuth" wrote in message
...
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Dec 30, 7:07*am, "Hagar" wrote:
GuthBall having another nightmare ??? *Take a chill pill.
Then get cracking on your Venusian L2 lighter than air spaceships.
Take an umbrella, the Sun is hotter on Venus. It's to protect your
skin, since your brain is already fried.
Bon Voyage

Once again, we have the naysay and evidence excluding expertise of our
very own pretend-Atheist, that only explores other planets and moons
in the nude and otherwise only as dumbfounded past the point of no
return as one can possibly get.

Oddly a 5th grader could locate and post multiple links to any number
viable research and science efforts that are positive and
constructive, that'll also prove how totally pathetic and otherwise
nasty folks like "Hagar" really are. That same 5th grader could
accomplish some basic independent research and deductively connect a
few dots, which is obviously entirely outside of any scope or box of
whatever Hagar has to offer.

If you can not be the least bit positive or constructive (meaning
informative), why bother unless you have ulterior motives?
Unfortunately, our Hagar does have ulterior motives, doesn't he?

~ BG

On Dec 30, 7:07*am, "Hagar" wrote:
GuthBall having another nightmare ??? *Take a chill pill.
Then get cracking on your Venusian L2 lighter than air spaceships.
Take an umbrella, the Sun is hotter on Venus. It's to protect your
skin, since your brain is already fried.
Bon Voyage

"BradGuth" wrote in message

...
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

You folks (5th graders on up) should know, that via “NASA Tech Briefs”
there’s all sorts of mostly public funded and/or otherwise public
facility and technological infrastructure accommodated science plus
actual R&D that’s published from a vast archive of accomplishments,
though often years old and seldom if ever given any other from of
public awareness, much less communicated in a proper disclosure way
that most village idiots could better understand and appreciate the
implications.

This official www.techbriefs.com is not a secret or even all that
hocus-pocus. However, seldom if ever do these Usenet clowns as brown-
nosed insider spooks and moles make any effort to share and share
alike, much less in any kind of constructive/positive way unless it
100% reinforces only their mainstream status quo.

It seems as though public funded science plus whatever their R&D
should be openly shared and touted as is, without all the usual delay
and taboo/nondisclosure policy of excluding evidence plus need-to-know
getting in the way, and otherwise incorporated within as many possible
applications that could use some technological help and thus improve
upon the future consideration for the sorts of nearby and affordable
missions that’ll best generate a return on investment.

Of course none of this constructive gabber makes any good sense to
those in charge and thereby responsible for keeping lids on tight,
because spilling even so much as one bean is simply too risky.
Apparently, the less the public knows, the better.

Our Selene/moon L1 is just a typical example of what such a space
depot/gateway or OASIS can become worth ten fold their investment.
Same argument goes for the Venus L2 depot/gateway and/or OASIS
functionality. However, to hear the naysayers and evidence excluding
deniers cry fowl and forever bitch as though the end of life as we
know it is near, seems par for the course of those without a brain or
any speck of remorse for their past, present or future actions.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Dec 29, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

You folks (5th graders on up) by now should know, that via “NASA Tech
Briefs” there’s all sorts of mostly public funded and/or otherwise
public facility and technological infrastructure accommodated science
plus actual R&D that’s published from a vast archive of
accomplishments, though often years old and seldom if ever given any
other from of public awareness, much less communicated in a proper
disclosure way that most village idiots could better understand and
appreciate the implications.

This official www.techbriefs.com is not a secret or even all that
hocus-pocus. However, seldom if ever do these Usenet clowns as brown-
nosed insider spooks and moles make any effort to share and share
alike, much less in any kind of constructive/positive way unless it
100% reinforces only their mainstream status quo.

It seems as though public funded science plus whatever their R&D
should be openly shared and touted as is, without all the usual delay
and taboo/nondisclosure policy of excluding evidence plus need-to-know
getting in the way, and otherwise incorporated within as many possible
applications that could use some technological help and thus improve
upon the future consideration for the sorts of nearby and affordable
missions that’ll best generate a return on investment.

Of course none of this constructive gabber makes any good sense to
those in charge and thereby responsible for keeping lids on tight,
because spilling even so much as one bean is simply too risky.
Apparently, the less the public knows, the better.

Our Selene/moon L1 is just a typical example of what such a space
depot/gateway or OASIS can become worth ten fold their investment.
Same argument goes for the Venus L2 depot/gateway and/or OASIS
functionality. However, to hear the naysayers and evidence excluding
deniers cry fowl and forever bitch as though the end of life as we
know it is near, seems par for the course of those without a brain or
any speck of remorse for their past, present or future actions.

This isn't my suggesting that break-even or unprofitable explorations
should be entirely excluded. I'm just suggesting that we should take
as much advantage of whatever we know works, and apply such to the
most likely explorations and expeditions that stand the best chance at
returning a profit or direct benefit of some worth.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Are you experiencing a GuthBall meltdown???
You just keep on babbling the nonsensical word salads ..
Put a cork in it


"BradGuth" wrote in message
...
On Dec 29, 11:05 am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

You folks (5th graders on up) by now should know, that via “NASA Tech
Briefs” there’s all sorts of mostly public funded and/or otherwise
public facility and technological infrastructure accommodated science
plus actual R&D that’s published from a vast archive of
accomplishments, though often years old and seldom if ever given any
other from of public awareness, much less communicated in a proper
disclosure way that most village idiots could better understand and
appreciate the implications.

This official www.techbriefs.com is not a secret or even all that
hocus-pocus. However, seldom if ever do these Usenet clowns as brown-
nosed insider spooks and moles make any effort to share and share
alike, much less in any kind of constructive/positive way unless it
100% reinforces only their mainstream status quo.

It seems as though public funded science plus whatever their R&D
should be openly shared and touted as is, without all the usual delay
and taboo/nondisclosure policy of excluding evidence plus need-to-know
getting in the way, and otherwise incorporated within as many possible
applications that could use some technological help and thus improve
upon the future consideration for the sorts of nearby and affordable
missions that’ll best generate a return on investment.

Of course none of this constructive gabber makes any good sense to
those in charge and thereby responsible for keeping lids on tight,
because spilling even so much as one bean is simply too risky.
Apparently, the less the public knows, the better.

Our Selene/moon L1 is just a typical example of what such a space
depot/gateway or OASIS can become worth ten fold their investment.
Same argument goes for the Venus L2 depot/gateway and/or OASIS
functionality. However, to hear the naysayers and evidence excluding
deniers cry fowl and forever bitch as though the end of life as we
know it is near, seems par for the course of those without a brain or
any speck of remorse for their past, present or future actions.

This isn't my suggesting that break-even or unprofitable explorations
should be entirely excluded. I'm just suggesting that we should take
as much advantage of whatever we know works, and apply such to the
most likely explorations and expeditions that stand the best chance at
returning a profit or direct benefit of some worth.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Dec 31, 5:53*pm, "Hagar" wrote:
Are you experiencing a GuthBall meltdown???
You just keep on babbling the nonsensical word salads ..
Put a cork in it

What did I say about parrot brains?

Obviously you understand perfectly, as otherwise why bother putting a
cork in it?

~ BG

On Dec 29 2008, 11:05*am, BradGuth wrote:
Not like there’s any spare public loot to behold that isn’t already
borrowed from the past decade of utter incompetence, greed and Madoff
Ponzism. *Unlike our corrupt SEC and publicly funded bailouts that
primarily reward and benefit the failed and corrupted upper most 0.1%,
these nearby and thus somewhat local missions of off-world
explorations are perfectly capable of paying their own way, and then
some.

Our Selene/moon and Venus are each relatively local and affordably
doable, as well as operating within existing technology and at
reasonable risk.

Each of these missions should also be extensively robotic and take
advantage of their respective gateways, meaning the somewhat toasty
and irradiated Earth-Moon L1 and the otherwise relatively cool Venus
L2.

The final assault of our Selene/moon or that of the Venus surface
would demand a great deal of initial public funding. *However, once
accomplished is when the payback starts to show what good teamwork and
talent can deliver, as valuable materials and raw elements are
extracted, processed and exported back to Earth.

Now watch as the usual gauntlet of Usenet topic/author stalking and
bashings do all they can muster in order to clown up and otherwise
divert attention, and/or to punish this and any similar topics. *It
usually doesn’t take long, so you can safely hold your breath.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

This topic is about accomplishing the two closest of off-world
destinations, as being technically manageable for a sufficiently
advance ET, such as us. Each of these destinations have complex
issues but otherwise potential of paying their own way, with some
added risk to surviving the to/from aspects if there’s no between
depot or gateway established.

Decades ago, Arthur C Clarke gave us his Clarke Station, as situated
within the interactive Earth-Moon L1 halo orbit, although somewhat
technically based upon our unusually passive Apollo missions, it still
represents a viable concept that only requires beefing up in the area
of shielding, plus incorporating an artificial shade or if need be
deep umbrella of thermal blocking PV panels. Oddly, in America the
notions of any Selene L1 Clarke Station has been suppressed if not
entirely banished, as though it represented some kind of devilish
witchcraft of no worldly merit.
http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/academ...-UP_slides.pdf

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications...aryland01b.pdf

If you learned anything from either of these papers, you can tell
there has been some consideration given to many special features and
the underlying logic of having this extremely nearby platform as our
next space science habitat, or even performing as a Boeing OASIS
that’s primarily a fuel storage and robotic refueling platform, as
well as nicely performing our gateway for efficiently going off
towards other planets and moons (including Selene).

http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/design...SISEXEC_97.pdf

http://chapters.nss.org/hub/pdf%20pr...s/LIphases.pdf

http://sci.tech-archive.net/pdf/Arch...4/msg00127.pdf

It seems anything of He3 DT fusion and of extracting this fusion
worthy helium from our moon is wherever possible getting removed from
the internet:
http://www.nuenergy.org/video/helium3.rm (animation banished/
excluded)

http://www.moonminer.com/THE_VISION.html

There’s actually loads of physics and science based art and animations
that should eye-candy impress most anyone with a functioning brain.
Of course getting such surface or underground infrastructure
established along with transporting robotics or especially humans
safely to/from the lunar surface is still in R&D mode, although I have
respect for what China and India may soon accomplish. Too bad we’re
on such a nondisclosure or need-to-know basis with our own public
funded science, as though ETs are in charge of most everything.

My tethered lunar space elevator (LSE-CM/ISS) and of its depot/gateway
space habitat of 256e6 tonnes plus energy storage and dipole element,
as situated at roughly 84% of the way to our Selene/moon has quite a
bit more to offer, although I haven’t created the necessary eye-candy
of a Boeing OASIS or NASA public funded pdf or spendy NASA Goddard
Scientific Visualization Studio animation file for presenting it’s
robust and otherwise substantial contributions in colorful 3D
animation or LeapFrog format, so instead you’ll have to use your
imagination as assisted by way of my somewhat dyslexic encrypted
words. The asking of others to contribute their best expertise and
supposed talent hasn’t yielded any positive or much less constructive
results, other than the usual topic/author stalking and basing from
most every possible angle, so don’t expect to see mainstream
collaboration any time soon from this Usenet cabal of spite and venom.

Those few of us able to independently think outside the mainstream box
are going to have to essentially do everything ourselves, as our
public funded talent and expertise is simply taboo/nondisclosure rated
and thus off-limits, or at best it’s only accessible via exploratory
discovery and need-to-know. I’m sure our replacement Commander and
Chief Warlord (BHO) is going to feel some of the very same testy
warmth and brown-nosed affection when he tries to understand what has
gone so terribly wrong with public funded agencies like our DARPA and
NASA. Fortunately, his new and presidential signature improved
Patriot Act gives him God like powers to kick serious butt, as almost
anything can be interpreted as domestic terrorism.

~ BG