Guy Macon on whether the Apollo moon landing was a hoax:

"BG" effluviated thus:

Watch as all the usual DARPA damage-control goons start showing up. I
think it's mostly genetic, like why killer bees swarm.

Hey BG, you've explained before, but tell it again - why did the
Soviets never blow the whistle on the U.S. moon landing hoax?

Showin' my ignorance, but what the !@#$%^& is "DARPA"? Some enterprize
of Darla's? :-)

On Sep 24, 7:36 am, oldcoot wrote:
"BG" effluviated thus:

Watch as all the usual DARPA damage-control goons start showing up. I
think it's mostly genetic, like why killer bees swarm.

Hey BG, you've explained before, but tell it again - why did the
Soviets never blow the whistle on the U.S. moon landing hoax?

For the exact same reason we did what we did. It's called job
security with benefits, plus loads of nifty toys for boys that we got
to pay for. What government in their right mind would intentionally
blow that one out the nearest window?

Are you otherwise suggesting that the USSR was always being perfectly
honest about their motives, intentions and actions?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

"oldcoot" wrote in message...
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"BG" effluviated thus:

Watch as all the usual DARPA damage-control goons start showing up. I
think it's mostly genetic, like why killer bees swarm.

Hey BG, you've explained before, but tell it again - why did the
Soviets never blow the whistle on the U.S. moon landing hoax?

Showin' my ignorance, but what the !@#$%^& is "DARPA"? Some enterprize
of Darla's? :-)

The hoaxter's seem to think that, since we were
supplying the USSR with most of its wheat, they
were inclined not to blow the whistle on us.

Ludicrous at best. (ha-ha)

And even if the Ruskies had been able to contain
themselves against the loss of the space race to
the Moon, it *still* wouldn't explain the Chinese.

China had operatives all over the US and Russia.
There is no way they wouldn't have found out if
the US had perpetrated a hoax, and there is
*absolutely* no way they wouldn't have blown
the whistle on US.

As for DARPA...

http://www.darpa.mil/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense...rojects_Agency

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On Sep 24, 11:02 pm, "Painius" wrote:
"oldcoot" wrote in message...

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"BG" effluviated thus:

Watch as all the usual DARPA damage-control goons start showing up. I
think it's mostly genetic, like why killer bees swarm.

Hey BG, you've explained before, but tell it again - why did the
Soviets never blow the whistle on the U.S. moon landing hoax?

Showin' my ignorance, but what the !@#$%^& is "DARPA"? Some enterprize
of Darla's? :-)

The hoaxter's seem to think that, since we were
supplying the USSR with most of its wheat, they
were inclined not to blow the whistle on us.

Ludicrous at best. (ha-ha)

And even if the Ruskies had been able to contain
themselves against the loss of the space race to
the Moon, it *still* wouldn't explain the Chinese.

China had operatives all over the US and Russia.
There is no way they wouldn't have found out if
the US had perpetrated a hoax, and there is
*absolutely* no way they wouldn't have blown
the whistle on US.

As for DARPA...

http://www.darpa.mil/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense...rojects_Agency


So, you're good with those highly conditional laws of physics and of
all the skewed and/or missing science, as well as Apollo mission
critical R&D that vanished entirely off the face of Earth.

Way to go, Painius.

Do you also pretend and otherwise lie to your close friends and
family?

~ BG

"BradGuth" wrote in message...
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On Sep 24, 11:02 pm, "Painius" wrote:
"oldcoot" wrote in message...
...

"BG" effluviated thus:

Watch as all the usual DARPA damage-control goons start showing up. I
think it's mostly genetic, like why killer bees swarm.

Hey BG, you've explained before, but tell it again - why did the
Soviets never blow the whistle on the U.S. moon landing hoax?

Showin' my ignorance, but what the !@#$%^& is "DARPA"? Some enterprize
of Darla's? :-)

The hoaxter's seem to think that, since we were
supplying the USSR with most of its wheat, they
were inclined not to blow the whistle on us.

Ludicrous at best. (ha-ha)

And even if the Ruskies had been able to contain
themselves against the loss of the space race to
the Moon, it *still* wouldn't explain the Chinese.

China had operatives all over the US and Russia.
There is no way they wouldn't have found out if
the US had perpetrated a hoax, and there is
*absolutely* no way they wouldn't have blown
the whistle on US.

As for DARPA...

http://www.darpa.mil/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense...rojects_Agency


So, you're good with those highly conditional laws of physics and of
all the skewed and/or missing science, as well as Apollo mission
critical R&D that vanished entirely off the face of Earth.

Way to go, Painius.

Do you also pretend and otherwise lie to your close friends and
family?

~ BG

We've a big family with lots of birthdays, and then
there's always the end-of-year holidays. Several
ops to pretend and otherwise lie to my close friends
and family, yes.

The missing science will probably be recovered, as
it was probably offed as souvenirs by project workers.
It'll be found.

Again, the point is, you and other hoaxsters would
still cry "FOUL" even if stuff hadn't been lost. Go
ahead, Brad, go ahead and explain why the Chinese
kept their mouths shut and didn't blow the lid off the
nasty HollyNASAwood cover-up. Go ahead and give
it your best shot, dude.

'Splain it to me, Lucy!

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: Thank *YOU* for reading!

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On Sep 25, 3:24 am, "Painius" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message...

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On Sep 24, 11:02 pm, "Painius" wrote:
"oldcoot" wrote in message...
....

"BG" effluviated thus:

Watch as all the usual DARPA damage-control goons start showing up. I
think it's mostly genetic, like why killer bees swarm.

Hey BG, you've explained before, but tell it again - why did the
Soviets never blow the whistle on the U.S. moon landing hoax?

Showin' my ignorance, but what the !@#$%^& is "DARPA"? Some enterprize
of Darla's? :-)

The hoaxter's seem to think that, since we were
supplying the USSR with most of its wheat, they
were inclined not to blow the whistle on us.

Ludicrous at best. (ha-ha)

And even if the Ruskies had been able to contain
themselves against the loss of the space race to
the Moon, it *still* wouldn't explain the Chinese.

China had operatives all over the US and Russia.
There is no way they wouldn't have found out if
the US had perpetrated a hoax, and there is
*absolutely* no way they wouldn't have blown
the whistle on US.

As for DARPA...

http://www.darpa.mil/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense...rojects_Agency

So, you're good with those highly conditional laws of physics and of
all the skewed and/or missing science, as well as Apollo mission
critical R&D that vanished entirely off the face of Earth.

Way to go, Painius.

Do you also pretend and otherwise lie to your close friends and
family?

~ BG

We've a big family with lots of birthdays, and then
there's always the end-of-year holidays. Several
ops to pretend and otherwise lie to my close friends
and family, yes.

The missing science will probably be recovered, as
it was probably offed as souvenirs by project workers.
It'll be found.

Again, the point is, you and other hoaxsters would
still cry "FOUL" even if stuff hadn't been lost. Go
ahead, Brad, go ahead and explain why the Chinese
kept their mouths shut and didn't blow the lid off the
nasty HollyNASAwood cover-up. Go ahead and give
it your best shot, dude.

'Splain it to me, Lucy!

What's hoax worthy about the regular laws of physics?

What's hoax worthy about the best available science? (unless it's MIA)

What's all that hoax worthy about our government and their civil
service minions continually doing their brown-nose thing to one
another?

Oddly the USSR/Russians also have no hard objective notions of their
proof positive as to how the hell they’d managed to get their retro-
reflectors safely onto the moon, so how the hell would I know of how
ours got there, if in fact it’s not just an impact site of vaporized
aluminum that also exposed lunar sodium, as for otherwise our Selene/
moon is roughly as dark as coal.

Everything of our DARPA~NASA/Apollo and of them Russian efforts are
down to the absolute dregs of their hocus-pocus subjective (take-it or
leave-it) notions, as otherwise each missing all of their critical R&D
of complex fly-by-rocket process that supposedly took place,
supposedly having once been fully documented and for the most part
worked like a freaking charm, exactly as publicly hyped and ever since
scripted even though nothing can be demonstrated.

Perhaps they each used magic, and then much like “Mission Impossible”
they burned all of their mission related files and otherwise made damn
certain that not a soul on either side would ever so much as dare
spill a bean. The very real fear of nondisclosure enforcement via
certain death or worse than, as such would have done the trick for me.

You do perchance realize that we’re not talking about one little
potential error or fly in their ointment, don’t you?

Do you think the cold-war was real or mutually perpetrated as I’ve
told it?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

"BradGuth" wrote in message...
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On Sep 25, 3:24 am, "Painius" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message...
...
On Sep 24, 11:02 pm, "Painius" wrote:
"oldcoot" wrote in message...
...
"BG" effluviated thus:

Watch as all the usual DARPA damage-control goons start showing up.
I
think it's mostly genetic, like why killer bees swarm.

Hey BG, you've explained before, but tell it again - why did the
Soviets never blow the whistle on the U.S. moon landing hoax?

Showin' my ignorance, but what the !@#$%^& is "DARPA"? Some
enterprize
of Darla's? :-)

The hoaxter's seem to think that, since we were
supplying the USSR with most of its wheat, they
were inclined not to blow the whistle on us.

Ludicrous at best. (ha-ha)

And even if the Ruskies had been able to contain
themselves against the loss of the space race to
the Moon, it *still* wouldn't explain the Chinese.

China had operatives all over the US and Russia.
There is no way they wouldn't have found out if
the US had perpetrated a hoax, and there is
*absolutely* no way they wouldn't have blown
the whistle on US.

As for DARPA...

http://www.darpa.mil/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense...rojects_Agency

So, you're good with those highly conditional laws of physics and of
all the skewed and/or missing science, as well as Apollo mission
critical R&D that vanished entirely off the face of Earth.

Way to go, Painius.

Do you also pretend and otherwise lie to your close friends and
family?

~ BG

We've a big family with lots of birthdays, and then
there's always the end-of-year holidays. Several
ops to pretend and otherwise lie to my close friends
and family, yes.

The missing science will probably be recovered, as
it was probably offed as souvenirs by project workers.
It'll be found.

Again, the point is, you and other hoaxsters would
still cry "FOUL" even if stuff hadn't been lost. Go
ahead, Brad, go ahead and explain why the Chinese
kept their mouths shut and didn't blow the lid off the
nasty HollyNASAwood cover-up. Go ahead and give
it your best shot, dude.

'Splain it to me, Lucy!

What's hoax worthy about the regular laws of physics?

Which laws were "broken"? None. These arguments
have been soundly debunked. And one does not have
to be a physics professor to understand it. One *does*
of course have to be willing to acknowledge that there
were no generalizations (laws) of physics that were
stepped upon or exceeded during the Apollo program.

If you disagree, then name one. Name one law of
physics that was broken. But please try to come up
with one that hasn't already been explained by science
to most everybody's satisfaction!...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepen..._Moon_landings

What's hoax worthy about the best available science? (unless it's MIA)

What *is* hoax worthy is that you're dodging my very
applicable question about the Chinese. Why didn't they
blow the whistle? There was nothing stopping them. If
the US truly had faked the Moon landings, the Chinese
would have absolutely drenched themselves in telling
the whole world what a bunch of huge fakes those damn
Americans are!...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepen..._Moon_landings

What's all that hoax worthy about our government and their civil
service minions continually doing their brown-nose thing to one
another?

What *is* all that hoax worthy is that you're dodging my
very important question about the Chinese. Why didn't
they blow the whistle? There was absolutely nothing to
stop them. If the US truly had faked the Moon landings,
the Chinese would have thoroughly drenched themselves
in refreshing acts of telling the whole world what a bunch
of elaborate, fraudulent charlatans those unskilled damn
pseudoscientists in America are!...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepen..._Moon_landings

Oddly the USSR/Russians also have no hard objective notions of their
proof positive as to how the hell they’d managed to get their retro-
reflectors safely onto the moon, so how the hell would I know of how
ours got there, if in fact it’s not just an impact site of vaporized
aluminum that also exposed lunar sodium, as for otherwise our Selene/
moon is roughly as dark as coal.

Almost. Albedo, or the measure of "whiteness" or
reflectivity, can range from zero to one. Planet Venus'
albedo is 0.95, for example. White snow would come
in at pretty close to 1.0 albedo. Coal's albedo is 0.1,
and the Moon's albedo is 0.113. So Selene is just a
li'l bit brighter than coal, but not much.

As for the laser mirrors, they cannot be used as hoax
fodder because everybody already knows that there
were mirrors placed on the Moon by both American AND
Soviet UNmanned landers. Of course, the specialized
and precise placement of an array of laser mirrors by
the Moon-landing astronauts enabled researchers to get
a lot more accuracy in their Moon studies than they
could ever get with the more haphazard, less precise
laser mirror placements by Surveyor and Lunokhod.

You're making this too easy, Brad. I've trounced Moon-
landing hoaxers in the past who made it much harder.
You can too if you try. C'mon, you must have at least
*something* new and controversial we can all chomp
on! I'm ready to gnaw away at any argument you can
muster. Bring it on!...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepen..._Moon_landings

Everything of our DARPA~NASA/Apollo and of them Russian efforts are
down to the absolute dregs of their hocus-pocus subjective (take-it or
leave-it) notions, as otherwise each missing all of their critical R&D
of complex fly-by-rocket process that supposedly took place,
supposedly having once been fully documented and for the most part
worked like a freaking charm, exactly as publicly hyped and ever since
scripted even though nothing can be demonstrated.

Perhaps they each used magic, and then much like “Mission Impossible”
they burned all of their mission related files and otherwise made damn
certain that not a soul on either side would ever so much as dare
spill a bean. The very real fear of nondisclosure enforcement via
certain death or worse than, as such would have done the trick for me.

"Magic" again. sigh I remember reading something
about how, if a highly advanced civilization were actually
to come to Earth, their technology would seem like magic
to all of us. But the kicker is... our very *own* technology
seems like magic to most people. It's because most of the
denizens of Earth are not really well-versed in technology,
not the nitty gritty physics of our own technology. So it's
common, even customary, to think of great scientific feats
like the space program as full of magical, mystical "stuff".

There's really nothing "wrong" with that perspective. I'd
like you to picture yourself in the command module, still
attached to the lunar landing module and heading toward
the Moon. You and two other men are doing everything
you need to do, going over every checklist, just like you
have done hundreds, thousands of times during your vast
amount of training for this mission. Then all of a sudden,
**B A H L A M M M** there's an explosion. Now what do
you do?

You've had close calls before. You're no stranger to the
idea of tragic death. Three of your brother astronauts
died, after all, back in Apollo one. And there have been
so many other "close calls", too, times when you or one
of your fellow trainees almost "bought the farm". Yet,
here you are, facing almost certain death. What do you
do?

You keep doing the things you have to do. You focus on
your two crucial things, oxygen and power. You must
have oxygen to breathe until you are once again safely
back in the cradle of Earth's atmosphere... AIR. And if
you run out of power on the return trip, you know that
it's "adios muchachos". You know what to do, but you
also know that you're probably going to die. You know
that there are hundreds of people on the ground who
are working tirelessly to help you figure out how to get
the power you need and to keep the air level viable.
But you also know that you're probably going to die.

You know that, at this point, nobody really knows how
you can get back to Earth alive, if it actually is possible
for you even to survive. You know that, even if all those
superb, highly skilled people in Houston are able to get
together and solve your two crucial problems, air and
power, there's still a *****load* of other things that can
go wrong. And, you know that you're most likely not
going to make it back to your beloved ones.

And... magically... you make it. You have just enough
power (and breathable air) to make it through Earth's
atmosphere to the ocean surface. Your heat shield,
which might have been damaged enough to fail upon
reentry, magically holds up. Your module's parachute,
which was expected to be frozen solid, was able to ope
and drift you and your buds downward at a safe clip.
Your module stays afloat, doesn't sink. You made it!

It's not hard to feel and to see how the feeling and the
usage of the term "magic" would easily enter into the
thoughts of anybody even remotely connected with the
Apollo space program. The whole thing seems like one
big magical illusion. And yet, when you examine the
evidence, all the evidence closely and objectively, there
can be no doubt that, as magical as it seemed, it really
did happen. It really and truly did. In a singular great
feat of science, technology, skill, vast training, and a
whole heap of good luck, astronauts landed on Selene's
surface. Magical? yes... illusion? no.

You do perchance realize that we’re not talking about one little
potential error or fly in their ointment, don’t you?

Do you think the cold-war was real or mutually perpetrated as I’ve
told it?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

Every fly has been soundly swatted many, many times,
Brad, many, many times. As for the cold war? I was
just a kid. And it seemed real enough to me when i had
to duck under my desk at school during a nuclear-blast
alarm drill. Real enough to me!...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepen..._Moon_landings

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: Thank *YOU* for reading!

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http://painellsworth.net

oc What the shuttle program has done in the past 40 years does make our
moon landing in the 60s hard to believe. In the Saturn V there were no
$25,000,000 toilets. Reality is NASA today can not get back to the ISS
and that is only 200 miles up go figure bert