Missing: Proof the speed of light extrapolates.

Do we have any clear evidence that light speed extrapolates even
to the moon?
There are faint receptions over the interval of time around a
2.5 seconds when the return is expected but are these of higher
amplitudes than earlier receptions? Could these be due to
secondary scattering from particles in the atmosphere etc and
could the stronges return occur in two seconds for example.
Radio communications betweem spacecraft assume the speed of
light in the computer programs that mediate this communication
but there is no clear evidence that this assumption has ever been
tested. In fact the loss of one half to one third of all launches
suggest that in some cases reliance on this assumption may be the
cause. In many situations the assumption the speed of light delay
is not needed to determine the position of the spacecraft or to
naviagate the spacecraft or position the antenna on the
spacecraft etc..
see www.bestweb.net/~sansbury

"ralph sansbury" wrote in message
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Do we have any clear evidence that light speed extrapolates even
to the moon?

I would guess that the only clear evidence you would accept would be
God himself coming down and showing you the how-to video.

ralph sansbury wrote:

Do we have any clear evidence that light speed extrapolates even
to the moon?
[snip idiocy]

Yeah, stooopid - lunar laser ranging and the Nordtvedt effect.

Yeah, stooopid - http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0308010
Nature 425 374 (2003)

Yeah, stooopid - http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0205059
Pioneer anomaly
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9810085
Believable rationalized Pioneer anomaly
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/gr-qc/0310088
Believable Pioneer anomaly updated

Yeah, stooopid - the old lightspeed measurements using observed
orbital time lags of Jupiter's Galilean moons.

Yeah, stooopid - communicating with the Martian rovers, the Galileo
Jupiter orbiter, Cassini going to Saturn...

Yeah, stooopid - radar bounced off Saturn's moon Titan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3158496.stm

Yeah, stooopid...

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Uncle Al wrote:
ralph sansbury wrote:

Do we have any clear evidence that light speed extrapolates even
to the moon?
[snip idiocy]

Yeah, stooopid - lunar laser ranging and the Nordtvedt effect.

Yeah, stooopid - http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0308010
Nature 425 374 (2003)

The link says the Cassini Radio Science Team withdrew the paper. Any ideas
why they might have done that? Just curious here...

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In message , ralph sansbury
writes
Do we have any clear evidence that light speed extrapolates even
to the moon?
There are faint receptions over the interval of time around a
2.5 seconds when the return is expected but are these of higher
amplitudes than earlier receptions? Could these be due to
secondary scattering from particles in the atmosphere etc and
could the stronges return occur in two seconds for example.
Radio communications betweem spacecraft assume the speed of
light in the computer programs that mediate this communication
but there is no clear evidence that this assumption has ever been
tested. In fact the loss of one half to one third of all launches
suggest that in some cases reliance on this assumption may be the
cause. In many situations the assumption the speed of light delay
is not needed to determine the position of the spacecraft or to
naviagate the spacecraft or position the antenna on the
spacecraft etc..
see www.bestweb.net/~sansbury


For Christ's sake Ralph, a dog farting in Venezuela 'may' be the cause,
but if you continue to align yourself with Nathan aka Min, type too fast
and think too little, you're going to get yourself tarred with the same
brush.
Try modelling light speed in its transition from vacuum to atmosphere
and you'll get enough margin of error to make any meaningful conclusions
impossible.

Denis
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Ugo wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:
ralph sansbury wrote:

Do we have any clear evidence that light speed extrapolates even
to the moon?
[snip idiocy]

Yeah, stooopid - lunar laser ranging and the Nordtvedt effect.

Yeah, stooopid - http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0308010
Nature 425 374 (2003)

The link says the Cassini Radio Science Team withdrew the paper. Any ideas
why they might have done that? Just curious here...

Beats me. It looked like a very sweet experiment. Email Giampieri
and find out.

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On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 21:15:22 +0000, DT wrote:

In message , ralph sansbury
writes
Do we have any clear evidence that light speed extrapolates even
to the moon?
There are faint receptions over the interval of time around a
2.5 seconds when the return is expected but are these of higher
amplitudes than earlier receptions? Could these be due to
secondary scattering from particles in the atmosphere etc and
could the stronges return occur in two seconds for example.
Radio communications betweem spacecraft assume the speed of
light in the computer programs that mediate this communication
but there is no clear evidence that this assumption has ever been
tested. In fact the loss of one half to one third of all launches
suggest that in some cases reliance on this assumption may be the
cause. In many situations the assumption the speed of light delay
is not needed to determine the position of the spacecraft or to
naviagate the spacecraft or position the antenna on the
spacecraft etc..
see www.bestweb.net/~sansbury


For Christ's sake Ralph, a dog farting in Venezuela 'may' be the cause,
but if you continue to align yourself with Nathan aka Min, type too fast
and think too little, you're going to get yourself tarred with the same
brush.
Try modelling light speed in its transition from vacuum to atmosphere
and you'll get enough margin of error to make any meaningful conclusions
impossible.

Denis

Light speed is affected by gravity like anything else.


Henri Wilson.

See why relativity is wrong:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/HeWn/index.htm

"Fred Garvin" wrote in message
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Yeah, good luck with that....

Heheh..

"Fred Garvin" wrote in message
...

Cultn) a small, unpopular religion.
Religionn) a large, popular cult.

Reread your post and caught this.. so true.. Christianity, the largest
of them.. gotta love all the official cult indoctrination you get over
here..

In message , Uncle Al
writes
Ugo wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:
ralph sansbury wrote:

Do we have any clear evidence that light speed extrapolates even
to the moon?
[snip idiocy]

Yeah, stooopid - lunar laser ranging and the Nordtvedt effect.

Yeah, stooopid - http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0308010
Nature 425 374 (2003)

The link says the Cassini Radio Science Team withdrew the paper. Any ideas
why they might have done that? Just curious here...

Beats me. It looked like a very sweet experiment. Email Giampieri
and find out.

The only explanation that I can think of is that the same data and
conclusion is in Bertotti's paper ("A test of general relativity using
radio links with the Cassini spacecraft" B Bertotti, L Iess and P
Tortora, Nature vol 425. No. 6956 p. 374, doi:10.1038/nature01997) but
I'd be interested to hear anything more.
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